Juan Williams fired? - Page 2

Prophet Saddam · 10-24-2010, 07:18 AM

Are you going to 'stop watching' now, J?

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Of the thousands of complaints that have saturated NPR in the wake of Juan Williams’s firing earlier this week, some of the most telling have been from callers describing themselves as long-time “viewers” of NPR who warn that they are going to “stop watching.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/bu...2&ref=business

kamikazi89 · 10-25-2010, 06:38 AM

don't think the catholiic league wouldn't be all over larry king if he said the same thing about priests and playgrounds(which is statistically far more likely an event? being hijacked by muslims or molested by a middle-aged male in authority of some kind ???

i'm not saying he deserved to be fired, i'm just not upset to see him go

Galt · 10-25-2010, 11:49 AM

Think yer kind'a mixin' two separate points here. Based on some of the famously tasteless cracks that NPR has condoned by their on-air personalities in the past (exclusively at the expense of conservative non-NPR congruent thinkers by some coincidence) Juan could hardly be said to have been sacked for what he said. Where he said it is more likely the cause.

There were numerous reports of internal angst at NPR over the fact that he went on Fox at all, even if it was to generally espouse commentary that was wholly in keeping with the NPR dogma.

The generalization that "liberals" are tolerant only of views that correspond with their own has never sounded more true. I would hardly consider Fox or NPR an unbiased source of "news", just as I wouldn't consider Rush, O'Reilly, Olbermann, or Maddow journalists...they are entertainers, and very well paid ones at that. They have little or nothing in common with the average schlub on the street and yet none of them seem to have much of a problem trying to tell us how we should think.

Folks that get all torqued up over the evil Fox network doubtless get their "news" from MSNBC, et al, and the same is true in reverse. People need to remind themselves that it's all about grabbing viewers for ad dollars first and promoting an agenda second. At least the Fox and MSNBC people are trying to do it whilst they deal with the harsh realities of capitalism, NPR is playin' around with our coin. Anybody remember the media dreadnought that was Air America?

If NPR wants to enforce a bias among their employees and control their speech, let them do it without tax payer support (which BTW is a hell of a lot more than the 5% or so that they've admitted to, more like close to half through their publicly supported affiliate kick backs).
That way we can treat them the same way that we treat Fox or MSNBC, or whoever's opinions we don't enjoy hearing...and just turn them off or change the station.

NPR trying to assert some kind of moral integrity stance is about as disingenuous as it gets. The silly bitch that made the cracks about Juan speaking to a psychiatrist would have been eviscerated by the morally superior leftists had the tables been turned. Funny how that always seems to work. Besides, it ain't like we've got a whole bunch of money layin' around and nothin' to do with it lately. NPR can do whatever they want...as long as it's with their own money and not ours. Wonder what would happen if somebody started gettin' grant money from our gubmint to start up a Libertarian Tea Party biased media effort? The left would try to have them declared anarchists and shut them down while the right would try to co-opt the publicity and say that they supported them (all the while secretly encouraging the left's efforts to squash them).

The word that keeps coming to mind is hypocrisy.

kamikazi89 · 10-25-2010, 12:50 PM

it's not doubtless, Fox is a hate machine, it doesn't take a norman lear to see that..the only MSNBC i get is a half an hour of morning joe

he's a paranoid bigot spreading illrational fear

and that's why we name the show
juan sanchez
Fuck the Northeast Establishment
brought to you bY advertising(AM)
and supscription

or you could just use the internet instead

..that's why it's there people

Galt · 10-25-2010, 02:01 PM

I don't watch enough of any of them to fully get your references, but calling Fox a "hate machine" sounds just a bit beyond kool aide drinkin'. You of course help to qualify the integrity of your reference by admitting to a half hour indoctrination from the opposite pole every day. MSNBC is every bit as far over the edge in respect to hate mongering as anything that Fox is guilty of...but again, since they are the standard bearers of the "tolerant" I realize that they can do no wrong. Check out Olbermann's rants about the Tea Party folks. If dat ain't hatin' then I don't wanna see what you think is.

Like I said, I don't ascribe to either regularly, but it's impossible not to hear from both occasionally, and what I've heard from MSNBC is some of the rankest name calling on air that anyone could possibly imagine. Just because it's your guys doing the name calling doesn't make it any less disturbing or wrong.

I won't say anything critical of Mr. Lear since he served in a B-17 during WW II and has certainly earned as much right as anyone in this country to comment on it, but the truth is that he and his PAC are about as liberal as it gets. As such he makes a poor poster child for middle of the road opinion. Making the crack that you don't have to be him to sense the Fox hate is rather nonsensical since Mr. Lear's politics appear to be offended by anything that's less than "progressive".

Regarding your other references; just who are you tolerantly name calling and labeling as a "paranoid bigot"
? You sound paranoid.

Also, I'm not familiar with the word "illrational", did you mean to type irrational and just get too excited in your rational attempt at name calling to check your prose?

The "advertising (AM)" remark...was that an effort to extol the empirical superiority of frequency modulation over amplitude or are you attempting to imply some higher moral authority exists there?

Lastly, what Northeast Establishment do you wish to engage in intercourse with? Is this a group of people with which you have amorous designs on or were you merely being rhetorical?

I suppose we should all be thankful that you're only subjecting yourself to a half of an hour a day of tolerance training / propaganda. The irony being that this level of intolerance hasn't been exhibited since Goebbels, and the Nazi's were defeated by the Greatest Generation and citizen soldiers like Mr. Lear.

John F. Kerry · 10-25-2010, 02:40 PM

nice posts mang but u dont wanna put that much effort into arguing with people like kami who just lob bombs like fox is a hate machine...

kamis got this axe to grind past couple days.

kamikazi89 · 10-26-2010, 05:42 AM

i just call em like a see em, and i see juan williams and mark shanchez as paranoid jerks

..and let me tell you buddy i grew up in a lear household
sesame stree,t the electric company
shoa and eyes on the prize...
NPRs audiences tend to be educated urban professional

and they know fear mongering when they Hear it

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2010, 08:21 AM

yea i agree that i used to like npr and think it had a good reputation.

thats why i wish they would fire that nytimes schill vivian schiller

Galt · 10-26-2010, 08:43 AM

As far as paranoids go there isn't much that can compete with a liberal that's been fully inculcated since birth into the cult. The term educated urban professional is some sort of triple oxymoron isn't it. The only urban community in the U.S. that isn't principally populated by under-educated thugs and government program teat suckers would be...hey, there isn't one. Unless you're speaking of Manhattan, and are implying that NPR is modeling its efforts to please the big givers from that insular bunch of inbred genuflectors to nanny state-ism?

Why you insist on invoking the mantle Lear is beyond my understanding, but as with many emotional reflexives I must deduce that you are just woefully uninformed about all things not poured into your brain by your chosen masters.

Mr. Lear was responsible for a very ground breaking sitcom with All in the Family that basically allowed America to laugh at the dichotomy of its modern existence in prime time. The ideas were of course all lifted from an English program, as were several of his other most note worthy shows, so we can pretty much ignore his contributions as a creative force and relegate him to the heap of plagiarists. He can however be credited with one of the most liberally minded insults that Blacks have ever been subjected to. Mr. Lear actually created the cultural high water mark Good Times.

Also typically ironic that you would cite such a landmark show as Sesame Street, the absent minded, inattentive parent's best friend. Just park junior in front of the stooge tube and let the village do the raisin'. The ultimate irony being of course that your formative years were so intimately affected by a show whose development funding was provided by foundations created by two of Americas most successful robber baron industrialists, Andrew Carnegie and Henry Ford. Congratulations on graduating from Sesame Street to one of its adult versions, MSNBC, et al. Your parents must be so proud.

Had someone not labeled the opposing views to your masters as fear or hate mongering it seems highly doubtful that you would have arrived at such a conveniently succinct and somewhat inappropriate tag on your own. Just out of curiosity, just how would you suggest that an opposing opinion to the liberal agenda be presented so that it not impinge on the haughty sensibilities of the morally superior? Tolerance can be a terrible thing when you have to actually stop being emotional and really try to exercise critical thinking skills about that which you've been programmed to hate and fear. The typically accepted root of which is of course ignorance.

BTW, not to confound your adherence to cult dogma but can you even fathom the peculiar coincidence that George Soros' recent 1.8 million dollar contribution to NPR this month and Juan's firing represents?

And finally...you do understand that NPR is a radio thing right...not television? I've heard of people that can see radio waves before but most of them sport aluminum foil hats. Et tu, Brute?

kamikazi89 · 10-26-2010, 08:57 AM

i have no masters..and i'm certainly not a cult follower..i just like my morning joe

and phillip k dick

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2010, 09:00 AM

"BTW, not to confound your adherence to cult dogma but can you even fathom the peculiar coincidence that George Soros' recent 1.8 million dollar contribution to NPR this month and Juan's firing represents? "

funny thing about that, ill bet ailes decided to give juan 2 million just so he could be like ha i payed u more than soros gave npr.

kamikazi89 · 10-26-2010, 09:07 AM

& i know plenty of urban professions, i think galt is living ina fantasy world not of his own creation
most the people i know who stuff themselves on government handouts are white middle-class suburbanites

HTAM · 10-26-2010, 09:20 AM

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"....when I walk into a bank to get a loan, I got to tell you, if I see people who are wearing Yamakas I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Jews, I get worried. I get nervous."

-Johannes, small business owner of German descent.

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"....when I walk into a grocery store, I got to tell you, if I see people who are wearing gang apparel I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Gang Members, I get worried. I get nervous."

Richard, Race Preservationist

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"....when I walk through the park, I got to tell you, if I see two guys holding hands I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as fags, I get worried. I get nervous."

-Donald, average homophobe

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2010, 10:39 AM

kami i think u say that cuz hes pwning yo ass sucka

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2010, 10:42 AM

higherthanamile but theres only 1 type of people who has EVER EVER hijacked planes and flown them into buildings.... should we be searching 90 year old dutch grandmas instead of only the broad category of people who we know is going to have all the people who do that in it? (muslim males from certain countries between the ages of 15-39... or so ... obviously not ALL muslims) its not like a search or a little bit of hightened suspicion is all that big of a deal... ok i realize that having unfair scrutiny is unfair in like 99.9% of situations and i agree with u about most of them. but flying on a fucking plane? sorry i would just rather not have another 9/11 then need to insist on erring on the side of peoples freedom from suspicion based on any combination of factors that might imply being a terrorist about to try to hijack a plane...

HTAM · 10-26-2010, 10:56 AM

I was actually associating JW's quote with the traditional hate mongering, prejudice, and ethnocentrism we want to believe has mostly evaporated in America.

I feel as though it was in poor taste for him to comment in that fashion. Perhaps he's changed his stance on topics like this one, and if that's the case, he would do well to go collect compensation from a network who is willing to pay him.

What I also find to be re-donkey-lous is that Fox will collect a nice sum of advertising revenues as they bump this story until it dissolves.

cantSEEme · 10-26-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

higherthanamile but theres only 1 type of people who has EVER EVER hijacked planes and flown them into buildings.... should we be searching 90 year old dutch grandmas instead of only the broad category of people who we know is going to have all the people who do that in it? (muslim males from certain countries between the ages of 15-39... or so ... obviously not ALL muslims) its not like a search or a little bit of hightened suspicion is all that big of a deal... ok i realize that having unfair scrutiny is unfair in like 99.9% of situations and i agree with u about most of them. but flying on a fucking plane? sorry i would just rather not have another 9/11 then need to insist on erring on the side of peoples freedom from suspicion based on any combination of factors that might imply being a terrorist about to try to hijack a plane...

j, you do know many changes in airline design and security have been implemented since 2001, sealed cockpits being one. while not impossible to hijack a plane, it's considerably WAY more difficult to do so, to the point of being impossible. any racial and religious profiling is pretty much completely unnecessary, and unfair in 100.9% in all cases. in fact, it could be detrimental.

stoneric · 10-26-2010, 01:28 PM

I'm still baffled why juan should have a problem with anyone identifying themselves "first and foremost" as a Muslim. You can't be more of a bigot.

kamikazi89 · 10-27-2010, 05:34 AM

i only say that because it's true

10-25-2010, 11:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	Think yer kind'a mixin' two separate points here. Based on some of the famously tasteless cracks that NPR has condoned by their on-air personalities in the past (exclusively at the expense of conservative non-NPR congruent thinkers by some coincidence) Juan could hardly be said to have been sacked for what he said. Where he said it is more likely the cause. There were numerous reports of internal angst at NPR over the fact that he went on Fox at all, even if it was to generally espouse commentary that was wholly in keeping with the NPR dogma. The generalization that "liberals" are tolerant only of views that correspond with their own has never sounded more true. I would hardly consider Fox or NPR an unbiased source of "news", just as I wouldn't consider Rush, O'Reilly, Olbermann, or Maddow journalists...they are entertainers, and very well paid ones at that. They have little or nothing in common with the average schlub on the street and yet none of them seem to have much of a problem trying to tell us how we should think. Folks that get all torqued up over the evil Fox network doubtless get their "news" from MSNBC, et al, and the same is true in reverse. People need to remind themselves that it's all about grabbing viewers for ad dollars first and promoting an agenda second. At least the Fox and MSNBC people are trying to do it whilst they deal with the harsh realities of capitalism, NPR is playin' around with our coin. Anybody remember the media dreadnought that was Air America? If NPR wants to enforce a bias among their employees and control their speech, let them do it without tax payer support (which BTW is a hell of a lot more than the 5% or so that they've admitted to, more like close to half through their publicly supported affiliate kick backs). That way we can treat them the same way that we treat Fox or MSNBC, or whoever's opinions we don't enjoy hearing...and just turn them off or change the station. NPR trying to assert some kind of moral integrity stance is about as disingenuous as it gets. The silly bitch that made the cracks about Juan speaking to a psychiatrist would have been eviscerated by the morally superior leftists had the tables been turned. Funny how that always seems to work. Besides, it ain't like we've got a whole bunch of money layin' around and nothin' to do with it lately. NPR can do whatever they want...as long as it's with their own money and not ours. Wonder what would happen if somebody started gettin' grant money from our gubmint to start up a Libertarian Tea Party biased media effort? The left would try to have them declared anarchists and shut them down while the right would try to co-opt the publicity and say that they supported them (all the while secretly encouraging the left's efforts to squash them). The word that keeps coming to mind is hypocrisy. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

10-25-2010, 02:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	I don't watch enough of any of them to fully get your references, but calling Fox a "hate machine" sounds just a bit beyond kool aide drinkin'. You of course help to qualify the integrity of your reference by admitting to a half hour indoctrination from the opposite pole every day. MSNBC is every bit as far over the edge in respect to hate mongering as anything that Fox is guilty of...but again, since they are the standard bearers of the "tolerant" I realize that they can do no wrong. Check out Olbermann's rants about the Tea Party folks. If dat ain't hatin' then I don't wanna see what you think is. Like I said, I don't ascribe to either regularly, but it's impossible not to hear from both occasionally, and what I've heard from MSNBC is some of the rankest name calling on air that anyone could possibly imagine. Just because it's your guys doing the name calling doesn't make it any less disturbing or wrong. I won't say anything critical of Mr. Lear since he served in a B-17 during WW II and has certainly earned as much right as anyone in this country to comment on it, but the truth is that he and his PAC are about as liberal as it gets. As such he makes a poor poster child for middle of the road opinion. Making the crack that you don't have to be him to sense the Fox hate is rather nonsensical since Mr. Lear's politics appear to be offended by anything that's less than "progressive". Regarding your other references; just who are you tolerantly name calling and labeling as a "paranoid bigot" ? You sound paranoid. Also, I'm not familiar with the word "illrational", did you mean to type irrational and just get too excited in your rational attempt at name calling to check your prose? The "advertising (AM)" remark...was that an effort to extol the empirical superiority of frequency modulation over amplitude or are you attempting to imply some higher moral authority exists there? Lastly, what Northeast Establishment do you wish to engage in intercourse with? Is this a group of people with which you have amorous designs on or were you merely being rhetorical? I suppose we should all be thankful that you're only subjecting yourself to a half of an hour a day of tolerance training / propaganda. The irony being that this level of intolerance hasn't been exhibited since Goebbels, and the Nazi's were defeated by the Greatest Generation and citizen soldiers like Mr. Lear. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

10-26-2010, 08:43 AM	#29 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	So just how good is your sight? As far as paranoids go there isn't much that can compete with a liberal that's been fully inculcated since birth into the cult. The term educated urban professional is some sort of triple oxymoron isn't it. The only urban community in the U.S. that isn't principally populated by under-educated thugs and government program teat suckers would be...hey, there isn't one. Unless you're speaking of Manhattan, and are implying that NPR is modeling its efforts to please the big givers from that insular bunch of inbred genuflectors to nanny state-ism? Why you insist on invoking the mantle Lear is beyond my understanding, but as with many emotional reflexives I must deduce that you are just woefully uninformed about all things not poured into your brain by your chosen masters. Mr. Lear was responsible for a very ground breaking sitcom with All in the Family that basically allowed America to laugh at the dichotomy of its modern existence in prime time. The ideas were of course all lifted from an English program, as were several of his other most note worthy shows, so we can pretty much ignore his contributions as a creative force and relegate him to the heap of plagiarists. He can however be credited with one of the most liberally minded insults that Blacks have ever been subjected to. Mr. Lear actually created the cultural high water mark Good Times. Also typically ironic that you would cite such a landmark show as Sesame Street, the absent minded, inattentive parent's best friend. Just park junior in front of the stooge tube and let the village do the raisin'. The ultimate irony being of course that your formative years were so intimately affected by a show whose development funding was provided by foundations created by two of Americas most successful robber baron industrialists, Andrew Carnegie and Henry Ford. Congratulations on graduating from Sesame Street to one of its adult versions, MSNBC, et al. Your parents must be so proud. Had someone not labeled the opposing views to your masters as fear or hate mongering it seems highly doubtful that you would have arrived at such a conveniently succinct and somewhat inappropriate tag on your own. Just out of curiosity, just how would you suggest that an opposing opinion to the liberal agenda be presented so that it not impinge on the haughty sensibilities of the morally superior? Tolerance can be a terrible thing when you have to actually stop being emotional and really try to exercise critical thinking skills about that which you've been programmed to hate and fear. The typically accepted root of which is of course ignorance. BTW, not to confound your adherence to cult dogma but can you even fathom the peculiar coincidence that George Soros' recent 1.8 million dollar contribution to NPR this month and Juan's firing represents? And finally...you do understand that NPR is a radio thing right...not television? I've heard of people that can see radio waves before but most of them sport aluminum foil hats. Et tu, Brute? __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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10-26-2010, 10:56 AM	#36 (permalink)
HTAM Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 2,117 Times in 1,179 Posts	I was actually associating JW's quote with the traditional hate mongering, prejudice, and ethnocentrism we want to believe has mostly evaporated in America. I feel as though it was in poor taste for him to comment in that fashion. Perhaps he's changed his stance on topics like this one, and if that's the case, he would do well to go collect compensation from a network who is willing to pay him. What I also find to be re-donkey-lous is that Fox will collect a nice sum of advertising revenues as they bump this story until it dissolves.

10-26-2010, 01:28 PM	#38 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	I'm still baffled why juan should have a problem with anyone identifying themselves "first and foremost" as a Muslim. You can't be more of a bigot.

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