So, wtf has Obama been doing the last 18 months? - Page 2

TheGodDegree · 11-04-2010, 09:46 PM

Thank you, John. F Kerry for a logical counterpoint to my argument. However, I will predictably, disagree with you.

The analogy to selling peanuts to a person who is allergic to them, is justified but does not acknowledge the whole situation.

In the 60's, when Civil Rights legislation was passed, a majority of the country was opposed to it. Surely, this was in part due to the fear-mongering and misinformation peddled by opponents to such legislation. Indeed, the idea of revolting against the crown during the 1770's was also unpopular among a good majority of the colonies, until they seen substantial progress years after the revolution had begun. To assume that the conventional wisdom among the American majority is always good for America is simply not true. That is not to suggest that American's are somehow unworthy of an opinion. Instead it suggests that we as humans are inevitably susceptible to the status quo and misleading arguments that are persuasively delivered, although these arguments do not always hold weight and are usually not based in fact.

Also, I definitely agree with the notion that Obama's lack of explanation as to what, IN FACT, was done with the passing of his health care legislation was undoubtedly related to Republican mid-term gains. It is very important to explain the positive aspects, in detail, of legislation as far-reaching as health care reform, just as it is very important to point out the negative aspect of such a thing, if you are on the other side. Bottom line though is negativity is much more pervasive in our society than positivity. Although we would like to believe we are more interested in, and influenced by, positivity, we are not. Just look at the news, for example. Controversy prevails. And if you were to look at the opposing arguments of that health care bill, they were much more drastic, and indeed, apocalyptic in nature, although most of those arguments were simply not true and held no basis in reality. Explaining the bill in terms of "death panels" and "government takeover of health care" resonates much more significantly in the minds of people than a detailed explanation and break down of the bill itself. It was surely a failure by the Democrats to explain in layman's terms, the significant benefits of the bill.

The same thing that happened many years after the civil rights legislation, and the revolution that created this country will happen with the health care reform bill recently passed. Especially in a time like this, it is understandable for people to be more susceptible to fear rather than logic. Anger, frustration, and anxiety actually clouds the mind and alters judgment. This is a proven fact, and explains why throughout history many presidents have gotten smashed in the mid-terms. Their is also the unfortunate factor that the majority of the bill will go into effect in 2014, half way through Obama's second term (yea, I said it). Americans are impatient and do not respond well to the idea that the legislation and investment we make now will only start to bear fruit many, many years from now. Undoubtedly, this will be a huge hurdle to cross. But that is another conversation.

wellfleation · 11-05-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGodDegree

When Bush ran up his deficit, it was based upon flawed ideology/economic theory that really has no basic in logic. The most obvious example is simple to understand: If you are engaged in two wars, it is irresponsible and economically counterproductive to cut taxes across the board. It simply does not make sense. If anything, you would raise taxes to pay for the wars you are in, if only to attempt to balance the budget.

I will just add that bush was the 1st president ever to cut taxes in a time of war, yes, EVER. It is illogical as is the new Republican party who now think everything is or should be free.

No, in a time of war a nation is supposed to make sacrifices beyond young men dying for nothing. Yes, even/especially rich people (GASP) who owe their riches to the freedoms that are slowly eroding away in the name of "combating terrorism". I'll quote Jesse Ventura - "I would rather fight for my life against terrorists every day than have the government take away even one freedom in the name of doing so!"

Put that in your gold pipe and smoke it JFK. Move out of this country if you hate America so much.

wellfleation · 11-05-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

obamas entire policy is ass backwards in the minds of many people, and it just doesnt seem to logically hold. he wants to take from the rich to give to the poor. but 1. that doesnt work, and 2. it isnt sustainable. so it doesnt actually work because the poor become dependant on the assistance and need more as time goes by, and it isnt sustainable because the people who worked to earn their money only to see it taken away are going to get angrier and try harder and harder to circumvent and vote out the people who are holding them at gunpoint and making them empty their wallets and take food out of their own children's mouths.

You are so brainwashed it is pathetic. How many times does Obama have to say that he wants to eliminate tax cuts for the rich while preserving them for the middle class? Yeah, just keep putting your hands over your ears.

But we all know you are a trust fund baby who has never had to work for anything. You are a typical FOX news only spoiled brat from what I gather. Must be nice, but the rest of us actually work hard to support ourselves, and/or, families.

To quote Warren Buffett, "Why should my secretary pay 25% of her pay in taxes when I (he) only pays 17%" Answer that, JFK.

yo. · 11-05-2010, 07:25 PM

yo

wellfleation · 11-06-2010, 02:07 PM

Looks like JFK ran away!

Maybe he thinks middle class people are poor and that is why he references Obama's plan as giving money to the poor. What an elitist trust fund punk.

John F. Kerry · 11-06-2010, 03:50 PM

surprised i wouldnt reply to your bitter ad hominem rant? haha dude your more out of touch with america than even pelosi, what hope do i have of knocking any sense into u ?

trust fund baby ... lol ... go watch the ed show some more

wellfleation · 11-06-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

surprised i wouldnt reply to your bitter ad hominem rant? haha dude your more out of touch with america than even pelosi, what hope do i have of knocking any sense into u ?

trust fund baby ... lol ... go watch the ed show some more

Yet you have no response to my questions. That says it all - empty thoughts.

williemcgraw88 · 11-06-2010, 07:58 PM

obama told the fed gov to back down on enforcing federal laws when it comes to medical marijuana patients

williemcgraw88 · 11-06-2010, 08:01 PM

so john f kerry you missed the boat on that one

John F. Kerry · 11-06-2010, 08:59 PM

just for a little humor here i gotta post 2 funny obama pictures i saw today.... and they are related to the thread because it concerns what hes been doing for 18 months.... please take with grain of salt

the dude in the back is rentis2damnhigh guys brother.

yo. · 11-07-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

the dude in the back is rentis2damnhigh guys brother.

wat?

**SageTree** · 11-07-2010, 01:09 PM

Before a serious name calling and/or pissing match starts I'd like to thank ALL for their opinions and hope that we can all exercise our right to be civil

Cheers
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kamikazi89 · 11-08-2010, 09:00 AM

selling weapons and killing children in lands far, far away./..in other words: he's kept the ball rolling..

11-04-2010, 09:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
TheGodDegree YaHookan Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 157 Thanks: 7 Thanked 67 Times in 46 Posts	Thank you, John. F Kerry for a logical counterpoint to my argument. However, I will predictably, disagree with you. The analogy to selling peanuts to a person who is allergic to them, is justified but does not acknowledge the whole situation. In the 60's, when Civil Rights legislation was passed, a majority of the country was opposed to it. Surely, this was in part due to the fear-mongering and misinformation peddled by opponents to such legislation. Indeed, the idea of revolting against the crown during the 1770's was also unpopular among a good majority of the colonies, until they seen substantial progress years after the revolution had begun. To assume that the conventional wisdom among the American majority is always good for America is simply not true. That is not to suggest that American's are somehow unworthy of an opinion. Instead it suggests that we as humans are inevitably susceptible to the status quo and misleading arguments that are persuasively delivered, although these arguments do not always hold weight and are usually not based in fact. Also, I definitely agree with the notion that Obama's lack of explanation as to what, IN FACT, was done with the passing of his health care legislation was undoubtedly related to Republican mid-term gains. It is very important to explain the positive aspects, in detail, of legislation as far-reaching as health care reform, just as it is very important to point out the negative aspect of such a thing, if you are on the other side. Bottom line though is negativity is much more pervasive in our society than positivity. Although we would like to believe we are more interested in, and influenced by, positivity, we are not. Just look at the news, for example. Controversy prevails. And if you were to look at the opposing arguments of that health care bill, they were much more drastic, and indeed, apocalyptic in nature, although most of those arguments were simply not true and held no basis in reality. Explaining the bill in terms of "death panels" and "government takeover of health care" resonates much more significantly in the minds of people than a detailed explanation and break down of the bill itself. It was surely a failure by the Democrats to explain in layman's terms, the significant benefits of the bill. The same thing that happened many years after the civil rights legislation, and the revolution that created this country will happen with the health care reform bill recently passed. Especially in a time like this, it is understandable for people to be more susceptible to fear rather than logic. Anger, frustration, and anxiety actually clouds the mind and alters judgment. This is a proven fact, and explains why throughout history many presidents have gotten smashed in the mid-terms. Their is also the unfortunate factor that the majority of the bill will go into effect in 2014, half way through Obama's second term (yea, I said it). Americans are impatient and do not respond well to the idea that the legislation and investment we make now will only start to bear fruit many, many years from now. Undoubtedly, this will be a huge hurdle to cross. But that is another conversation. __________________ "All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move." - Benjamin Franklin

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