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Old 12-19-2010, 10:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Corporation (documentary)



My daughter turned me on to this documentary about multinational corporations. It has a straight anti-capitalism bias that I think is a bit knee-jerking at times, but it does illustrate a couple of really interesting points.

First, it points out that corporations are treated, legally, as a person in terms of rights, etc. So, they look at corporate behavior worldwide, and they evaluate that behavior as if they were evaluating an actual person. What they find is, if you look at corporate behavior from a psychological point of view, you have to diagnose that behavior as psychotic, by definition.

Secondly, they point out that, as a "person" the corporation cannot be arrested or jailed, only fined. And since the very structure is designed to minimize the personal liability of owners and managers, it encourages those working in corporations not only to act immorally (because they cannot be held directly accountable) but encourages them to view immoral (and illegal) behavior from a profit perspective. That is, if the fines are smaller than the costs associated with compliance with a given law, the law is ignored.

And since corporations are both under legal obligation to maximize profit for shareholders, and must maintain a competitive advantage to stay in business, their officers and managers are constantly faced with the "need" to violate the law, and act immorally, in order to maintain corporate survival, despite the fact that this arrangement is turning people into units, and the planet into a rape victim.

It's really worth a watch.



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Old 12-20-2010, 07:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's quite frightning to know what kind of stuff this guys do, because almost everything that we own, or think we own, is done by these same guys that don't mind that the product is bad or the workers are starving or sufering some kind of illness.
But one should not care about this and should find alternatives, both my grandparents and my gf's grandparents live outside of the city and have small land patches to produce some of their food, mostly the vegetables, fruits and eggs/milk, so at least I know that this three groups are biological, the beef I try buying organic and most of my fish comes directly from the sea to my plate having no one betwen the buyer and the producer or in this case the fisherman is way better.
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Watching it slowly throughout the day Rev. Thanks.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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watched it all, and it was well done.

personally I learned very little (about IBM's involvement with hitler, knew of many others).

The way America does business is only part of the problem with America. (Tho I do realize it was a Canadian Program.) And as is true with most documentaries, more attention needs to be put into solutions, as we are often all to aware of the problems.

Being an American I naturally have to wonder what Corporation is backing the writers of this program.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I just watched it on Netflix last week. By the Rev's remark about the Water Rebellion in Bolivia, I assumed he had as well.

Now, what can we do?

The only organized political movement that I'm aware of seeks a Constitutional amendment to reverse corporate personhood is the Coffee Party.

Rev, Why don't you start a thread on the topic of corporate personhood and the Coffee Party. It would carry more weight and get more people involved than if I did.
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watched it all, and it was well done.

personally I learned very little (about IBM's involvement with hitler, knew of many others).

The way America does business is only part of the problem with America. (Tho I do realize it was a Canadian Program.) And as is true with most documentaries, more attention needs to be put into solutions, as we are often all to aware of the problems.

Being an American I naturally have to wonder what Corporation is backing the writers of this program.
I'm on part 15 now. I'm enjoying it. While I'm not sure what exactly to pull from this on ACTION, it has been a good watch.

I have to say not a lot of this is shocking to me. The ethics of marketing doesn't surprise me. I really like how this is bundled/palatable because I believe, in my experience, that there are people out there who this is news to. I've had lots of 'heady' conversations at my families and w/ friends still living in my hometown, etc..... area because of smack in the face movies like this. Regardless of how bias or fair, manipulative or factual this film actually is , it presents questions that I think are good to consider as a citizen of Humanity.

I too have enjoyed the little facts that build up to mass nut-baggery

Now Roach-o.... maybe it's just because I'm from 'Murica I was pondering that same question too!

I know you're a smart fella, maybe you'll be able to pull some good info out of this : The Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia if you haven't already looked.

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Old 12-21-2010, 12:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Good one Rev. Everytime the fascists create these slimball diversions of the Constitution, it should be a bright red flag to all of us, especially those we elect to represent us, not factory's. Same with 404 gag rules preventing a medical defense. Tax shelters and breaks to fund propaganda DARE groups. Mass censorship of the airwaves, cable and print, especially about the Ganjawar and the properties of Hemp. Mandatory minimum private prison profit incentives and deterrents to jury trials, Leading to please barters for corporate piss tasting and rehabs. Nothing wrong with incorporating except when you sell out Americans. Outsourcing their jobs with trickle down bail outs isn't employing Americans. Or forcing the addiction of fossil fools over homegrown fuel. Many other examples where we the people sat by and watched or was kept at bay with lies and diversions. Sure glad its 4:20 somewhere...

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Im going to watch it on the weekend, but yes that is exactly what happens, since corporations are treated as persons the owners can do anything they want and not be held accountable for it. And yes, everything in business is looked at from a "cost-effective" point of view.

Its like some pubs around my campus, they are fined $1000 a night if they sell drinks after midnight, they stay open till almost 5 in the morning and get enough to pay the fine and earn some profit.
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I saw it on LINK TV and was blown away! I had to donate some dough to the station that has the balls to air that shit. I came so close to actually working for Monsanto (the worlds most evil corp.) Now, I can't believe that I ever considered such a terrible waste of my efforts. Every PERSON needs to watch this.
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...since corporations are... ...under legal obligation to maximize profit for shareholders

This scares me.
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I've yet to see you post anything even close to being relevant in any thread on the poli board.
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The LoLz on the 'cooperations are people' front is when Mitt Romney's former job was described as cutting up people and selling the body parts
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