Patriot Act Fails in House

stoneric · 02-09-2011, 10:44 AM

House PATRIOT Act Extension Derailed by GOP Freshmen Opposition
Vote Fails to Secure Two-Thirds Majority, Leaves Act in Limbo

by Jason Ditz, February 08, 2011

In a stunning turn of events, the House of Representatives has narrowly defeated the effort to “fast track” the USA Patriot Act extension for an additional 10 months. The vote needed a two-thirds majority, but managed to only get 277-148.

It had been presumed to be a slam-dunk vote in the Republican dominated Congress, but instead proved to be the first of what could be many examples of the freshmen GOP reps breaking with long-standing party support for the controversial act.

Indeed, while the usual Republican dissenters like Reps. Connie Mack (R – FL) and Ron Paul (R – TX) opposed the extension, it may have been impossible to do had not nine of the freshmen bucked the “safe” choice of voting for the extension and stood against the provisions.

Though the vote still shows a majority in favor of the extension and it may be possible to push it through by hook or by crook, it will be extremely difficult to do so before the provisions of the act expire at the end of the month.

It will also put the Senate on notice, as they fight over which of three more ambitious extensions to approve. Reconciling such a bill with the House will be extremely difficult if the House has enough opposition to block even the 10 month extension. Below is a full list of the Republicans who opposed the extension, with freshmen in bold.

Justin Amash (Mich.), Roscoe G. Bartlett (Md.), Rob Bishop (Utah), Paul Broun (Ga.), John Campbell (Calif.), John J. Duncan Jr. (Tenn.), Michael G. Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Christopher P. Gibson (N.Y.), Tom Graves (Ga.) Dean Heller (Nev.), Randy Hultgren (Ill.), Timothy V. Johnson (Ill.), Walter B. Jones (N.C.), Jack Kingston (Ga.), Raul R. Labrador (Idaho), Connie Mack (Fla.), Kenny Marchant (Tex.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Ron Paul (Tex.), Denny Rehberg (Mont.), Phil Roe (Tenn.), Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.), Robert Schilling (Ill.), David Schweikert (Ariz.), Rob Woodall (Ga.), Don Young (Alaska).
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Bravo.

**SageTree** · 02-09-2011, 10:58 AM

I can basically only say this to that good news.......

New Republican Blood IN DA' HOUSE!!!

FUCK YEA~~!!!!

YouTube - America fuck yeah-team america

John F. Kerry · 02-09-2011, 11:48 AM

not surprisingly, the actual interpretation of this is 180 from what pelos-dogg says it is. Her office maniacally issues a new line of talking points, similar to the numerous ones that failed over and over again in the last congress and caused them to be shelacked, the new ones laugh at whats happened.

Now , to what actually happened.

Privacy concerns and libertarian concepts have been at the heart of conservative and right wing values for years. The entire idea of making the government smaller and less intrusive in your life is exactly what a lot of moderate repubs and independents want. And the patriot act pissed off people, even people like me. Because its very invasive.

So to the question of what happened, well, obama, the democratic president, wants the patriot act renewed.... thats the main point....pelosi is happy and dems are excited about the dissarray where THEIR OWN PRESIDENTs agenda gets defeated. The dems voted with the libertarian republicans, on an issue that is not a liberal issue , so it has nothing to do with turning against the gop, this is what many in the gop have long believed.

Some say we need it even tho its bad, some say its too bad to justify, no one says we dont need it, but that it has bad co-effects and consequences, from various perspectives that in this case happen to unite some democrats with libertarian conservative ideology.

so thats the way things actually are, pelosi and those weird people on the left have some kind of 3d glasses that make everything be interpreted like backwards and upside down. the only reason i put pelosi out first, because i know sage will notice it, is because she posted news bites all excitedly as her partys most popular figure and president of the country from their party's agenda was being defeated by a coalition of her members and republicans.... i dont know how u consider that a victory for your side, simply put, because in fact it isnt.

stoneric · 02-09-2011, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

not surprisingly, the actual interpretation of this is 180 from what pelos-dogg says it is. Her office maniacally issues a new line of talking points, similar to the numerous ones that failed over and over again in the last congress and caused them to be shelacked, the new ones laugh at whats happened.

Now , to what actually happened.

Privacy concerns and libertarian concepts have been at the heart of conservative and right wing values for years. The entire idea of making the government smaller and less intrusive in your life is exactly what a lot of moderate repubs and independents want. And the patriot act pissed off people, even people like me. Because its very invasive.

So to the question of what happened, well, obama, the democratic president, wants the patriot act renewed.... thats the main point....pelosi is happy and dems are excited about the dissarray where THEIR OWN PRESIDENTs agenda gets defeated. The dems voted with the libertarian republicans, on an issue that is not a liberal issue , so it has nothing to do with turning against the gop, this is what many in the gop have long believed.

Some say we need it even tho its bad, some say its too bad to justify, no one says we dont need it, but that it has bad co-effects and consequences, from various perspectives that in this case happen to unite some democrats with libertarian conservative ideology.

so thats the way things actually are, pelosi and those weird people on the left have some kind of 3d glasses that make everything be interpreted like backwards and upside down. the only reason i put pelosi out first, because i know sage will notice it, is because she posted news bites all excitedly as her partys most popular figure and president of the country from their party's agenda was being defeated by a coalition of her members and republicans.... i dont know how u consider that a victory for your side, simply put, because in fact it isnt.

What are you on about? A victory for my side? I'm against the patriot act. Period. And to say the dems voted with the repubs, when there were only a total of 26 repubs out of 148 who voted against it, is ass backwards. By the way, this nasty act passed during the utopion years of republican rule.

**SageTree** · 02-09-2011, 12:23 PM

J-dubya.....

No matter how 'right' you think you are or just might be.....

Quote:

Now , to what actually happened.

Quote:

so thats the way things actually are

This is a dangerous/absolutist statements my Friend.

2 Simple Questions:

Aren't Republicans and Libertarian different parties?
Please explain how you've used the term 'Libertarian Republican/ Convservative', please?

On a Friendly note... I am GLAD you addressed why you singled out Pelosi...

I only pick on you sometimes because it comes off almost like blind hatred, when the examples of reasoning aren't there....... Follow me?

SO... I'm happy to see you say more clearly why you feel the way you do when citing her name.

Also one last thing... not sure what 'side' I'm on

....

For the record I've been a registered Libertarian for 12 years and have always considered myself damned near a Socialist.....

The only 'side' I'm on, as I've said before, is the Human side....

I cross the border fairly regularly, and frankly, it's harder to get into 'my own' country than Canada, where I live.

Knowing that my constitutional rights can be yanked with a simple label of 'enemy' scares the fucking shit outa me... and it should anyone....

The thought of me being taken away on fake charges, not having habius corpus and not seeing my Wife for God knows how long scares the shit out of me...

Ask Maher Arar

Do I want the measures that make that all possible taken away? Hell Yes.
Do I care who does it? Hell No.

I hope the bill REALLY gets read and stops screwing people like me up at the border, when they make it more 'acceptable'.

I can swallow the facts that the 'war on terror' has caught people and done some good.... but for fucks sake... a 'RANDOM' search for me at the airport is when I DONT get patted down and have my bags taken apart....

Cheers!

Completely in kind, but very serious to me,
SageTree

The Rev · 02-09-2011, 01:07 PM

Patterns of Global Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the government's own statistics, terrorism deaths only add up to a few hundred people a year, worldwide, with the vast majority occurring overseas. This is less than smoking, car crashes, medical malpractice or even falling down the stairs. In fact, in the US, you are more likely to be killed by your neighbor's dog attacking you than becoming a victim of terrorism. This is not only true now, but also before 9/11 and the Patriot act.

Terrorism is a bogeyman. We had a terrible tragedy in 2001 that has been inflated into the biggest non-problem in history, in which a frightened populace was conned into letting the government take away yet more of their rights. And I, for one, am glad that at least a few members of congress have the guts to stand up to the establishment and take a few back for us.

The Rev

**Mafoo** · 02-09-2011, 02:32 PM

as for the op, THANK GOD

it actually gives me fait that our elected officials are thinking with their heads instead of just about their next campaign.

John F. Kerry · 02-09-2011, 02:36 PM

i didnt mean your side sage, i meant your side from pelosis point of view.

rereading that i can see i wrote it pretty damn fast so forgive me for being unclear .

as far as what to do with the patriot act, i simply dont know. i dont want to be attacked by terrorists again, and since 9/11 theyve been using the patriot act to prevent that, and i personally havent felt too many effects of heavy handed government, nor do i know many people, or have i heard of many people being effected by it... so i tend to think they seem to be balancing it well.... but its something that constantly needs to be watched, and im glad we have groups like the aclu to check the power of the patriot act, the same way we have congress to check the president.

**Mafoo** · 02-09-2011, 02:47 PM

so like listening in on your phone conversations and stuff is cool with you, jfk?

Xil · 02-09-2011, 03:46 PM

the republicans have gotten shit on a lot lately (deservedly)
if they take this as a cue to move towards personal freedom and accountability like the CLAIM to be for i will be a very happy camper. democrats can be for social progress and whatnot.

they could actually temper each other quite well if they move towards their purported values rather than being on ubiquitous ball of shit.

and hooray for no more (anti)Patriot Act!
(possibly)

~1~ · 02-09-2011, 04:31 PM

j. and eric are both correct in their assessments of the event in so much as it's all political psychobabble designed to keep you thinking something is actually happening on the hill.

It's all bullshit.

It's kind of like gasoline. Say you were paying $2.00 a gallon and all of the sudden for some vague reasons the price spiked to $5.50 a gallon, that's more than double! Now they keep it jacked up for a week or three, until someone gets upset enough to devote time and interest in some alternative fuels and shit, then drop it down to $3.00 a gallon. Now you're stoked! That's more than two bucks less than it was man! Except it's a dollar more a gallon than before and that last buck aint ever comin' back.

Meh, whatever.

stoneric · 02-09-2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

i didnt mean your side sage, i meant your side from pelosis point of view.

rereading that i can see i wrote it pretty damn fast so forgive me for being unclear .

as far as what to do with the patriot act, i simply dont know. i dont want to be attacked by terrorists again, and since 9/11 theyve been using the patriot act to prevent that, and i personally havent felt too many effects of heavy handed government, nor do i know many people, or have i heard of many people being effected by it... so i tend to think they seem to be balancing it well.... but its something that constantly needs to be watched, and im glad we have groups like the aclu to check the power of the patriot act, the same way we have congress to check the president.

As long as it hasn't affected you, everything is cool.

stoneric · 02-09-2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~1~

j. and eric are both correct in their assessments of the event in so much as it's all political psychobabble designed to keep you thinking something is actually happening on the hill.

It's all bullshit.

It's kind of like gasoline. Say you were paying $2.00 a gallon and all of the sudden for some vague reasons the price spiked to $5.50 a gallon, that's more than double! Now they keep it jacked up for a week or three, until someone gets upset enough to devote time and interest in some alternative fuels and shit, then drop it down to $3.00 a gallon. Now you're stoked! That's more than two bucks less than it was man! Except it's a dollar more a gallon than before and that last buck aint ever comin' back.

Meh, whatever.

Im not that naive. I just keep hoping.

The gasoline analogy is spot on since it already happened.

Ego Tripping · 02-09-2011, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

as far as what to do with the patriot act, i simply dont know. i dont want to be attacked by terrorists again, and since 9/11 theyve been using the patriot act to prevent that.

Saying the Patriot Act = less terrorism attacks is like...

Well, the Simpsons can say it better than I can.

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John F. Kerry · 02-09-2011, 08:50 PM

holy fucking shit, i just realized, literally for the first time, that stoneric..... stoner-ic (as i always thought of it) was ston-eric.... LOL crazy... i cant believe ive been talking to u for so long and never realized that before

Xil · 02-09-2011, 10:42 PM

I'm obviously missing something...what the hell is ston eric?

The Rev · 02-09-2011, 11:23 PM

Stoneric = part stone, part eric.

The Rev

**SageTree** · 02-10-2011, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

i didnt mean your side sage, i meant your side from pelosis point of view.

rereading that i can see i wrote it pretty damn fast so forgive me for being unclear .

as far as what to do with the patriot act, i simply dont know. i dont want to be attacked by terrorists again, and since 9/11 theyve been using the patriot act to prevent that, and i personally havent felt too many effects of heavy handed government, nor do i know many people, or have i heard of many people being effected by it... so i tend to think they seem to be balancing it well.... but its something that constantly needs to be watched, and im glad we have groups like the aclu to check the power of the patriot act, the same way we have congress to check the president.

Oh J-dubya.....

It's okay....

BUT....You missed a few things ....

2 Simple (direct) Questions:
* Aren't Republicans and Libertarian different parties?
* Please explain how you've used the term 'Libertarian Republican/ Convservative', please?
Comment on My story of how I'VE been effected.

teehee

I think others have said what I would have about who is effected and your seeming 'ok-ness' with not feeling effected...

When is the last time you flew anywhere?

I've flown pre and post 9-11 .... there IS a HUGE difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mafoo

so like listening in on your phone conversations and stuff is cool with you, jfk?

Don't forget about Library records and credit card purchases and email conversations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~1~

It's kind of like gasoline. Say you were paying $2.00 a gallon and all of the sudden for some vague reasons the price spiked to $5.50 a gallon, that's more than double! Now they keep it jacked up for a week or three, until someone gets upset enough to devote time and interest in some alternative fuels and shit, then drop it down to $3.00 a gallon. Now you're stoked! That's more than two bucks less than it was man! Except it's a dollar more a gallon than before and that last buck aint ever comin' back.

If you think that is 'bad' ..... make sure you get some blood pressure medication before you travel outside of the States.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

As long as it hasn't affected you, everything is cool.

No kidding... J-dub didn't even care about me having me peen touched.

REPEATEDLY I mean.... 'randomly'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Saying the Patriot Act = less terrorism attacks is like...

I guess that is what I mean by 'some good'.

My Great Grandfather always put it this way, 'The more you stir shit, the more is stinks'.

Or 'Seek and you shall find'.....

stoneric · 02-10-2011, 07:11 AM

I'm flattered over such concern as to my user names meaning. As usual Terry is right and J is wrong. What the fuck is stoner-ic?

**SageTree** · 02-10-2011, 08:02 AM

YouTube - YOU GOT FAIL HORN'D!

02-09-2011, 10:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	Patriot Act Fails in House House PATRIOT Act Extension Derailed by GOP Freshmen Opposition Vote Fails to Secure Two-Thirds Majority, Leaves Act in Limbo by Jason Ditz, February 08, 2011 In a stunning turn of events, the House of Representatives has narrowly defeated the effort to “fast track” the USA Patriot Act extension for an additional 10 months. The vote needed a two-thirds majority, but managed to only get 277-148. It had been presumed to be a slam-dunk vote in the Republican dominated Congress, but instead proved to be the first of what could be many examples of the freshmen GOP reps breaking with long-standing party support for the controversial act. Indeed, while the usual Republican dissenters like Reps. Connie Mack (R – FL) and Ron Paul (R – TX) opposed the extension, it may have been impossible to do had not nine of the freshmen bucked the “safe” choice of voting for the extension and stood against the provisions. Though the vote still shows a majority in favor of the extension and it may be possible to push it through by hook or by crook, it will be extremely difficult to do so before the provisions of the act expire at the end of the month. It will also put the Senate on notice, as they fight over which of three more ambitious extensions to approve. Reconciling such a bill with the House will be extremely difficult if the House has enough opposition to block even the 10 month extension. Below is a full list of the Republicans who opposed the extension, with freshmen in bold. Justin Amash (Mich.), Roscoe G. Bartlett (Md.), Rob Bishop (Utah), Paul Broun (Ga.), John Campbell (Calif.), John J. Duncan Jr. (Tenn.), Michael G. Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Christopher P. Gibson (N.Y.), Tom Graves (Ga.) Dean Heller (Nev.), Randy Hultgren (Ill.), Timothy V. Johnson (Ill.), Walter B. Jones (N.C.), Jack Kingston (Ga.), Raul R. Labrador (Idaho), Connie Mack (Fla.), Kenny Marchant (Tex.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Ron Paul (Tex.), Denny Rehberg (Mont.), Phil Roe (Tenn.), Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.), Robert Schilling (Ill.), David Schweikert (Ariz.), Rob Woodall (Ga.), Don Young (Alaska). ****************** **************** ************ Bravo.

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	Patterns of Global Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia According to the government's own statistics, terrorism deaths only add up to a few hundred people a year, worldwide, with the vast majority occurring overseas. This is less than smoking, car crashes, medical malpractice or even falling down the stairs. In fact, in the US, you are more likely to be killed by your neighbor's dog attacking you than becoming a victim of terrorism. This is not only true now, but also before 9/11 and the Patriot act. Terrorism is a bogeyman. We had a terrible tragedy in 2001 that has been inflated into the biggest non-problem in history, in which a frightened populace was conned into letting the government take away yet more of their rights. And I, for one, am glad that at least a few members of congress have the guts to stand up to the establishment and take a few back for us. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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Mafoo nice daze Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the anguish of anticipated transformation Posts: 5,975 Thanks: 3,776 Thanked 2,652 Times in 1,698 Posts	as for the op, THANK GOD it actually gives me fait that our elected officials are thinking with their heads instead of just about their next campaign. __________________ PLUR For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return

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Mafoo nice daze Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the anguish of anticipated transformation Posts: 5,975 Thanks: 3,776 Thanked 2,652 Times in 1,698 Posts	so like listening in on your phone conversations and stuff is cool with you, jfk? __________________ PLUR For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	the republicans have gotten shit on a lot lately (deservedly) if they take this as a cue to move towards personal freedom and accountability like the CLAIM to be for i will be a very happy camper. democrats can be for social progress and whatnot. they could actually temper each other quite well if they move towards their purported values rather than being on ubiquitous ball of shit. and hooray for no more (anti)Patriot Act! (possibly) __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

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~1~ Successful Failure Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: where 'they' can't see. Posts: 10,925 Thanks: 466 Thanked 1,581 Times in 925 Posts	j. and eric are both correct in their assessments of the event in so much as it's all political psychobabble designed to keep you thinking something is actually happening on the hill. It's all bullshit. It's kind of like gasoline. Say you were paying $2.00 a gallon and all of the sudden for some vague reasons the price spiked to $5.50 a gallon, that's more than double! Now they keep it jacked up for a week or three, until someone gets upset enough to devote time and interest in some alternative fuels and shit, then drop it down to $3.00 a gallon. Now you're stoked! That's more than two bucks less than it was man! Except it's a dollar more a gallon than before and that last buck aint ever comin' back. Meh, whatever. __________________ "And those who are successful, be always on your guard. Success walks hand in hand with failure, along Hollywood Boulevard" Ray Davies --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Click Here Asshole

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	I'm obviously missing something...what the hell is ston eric? __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	Stoneric = part stone, part eric. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	I'm flattered over such concern as to my user names meaning. As usual Terry is right and J is wrong. What the fuck is stoner-ic?

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