Jews didn't cause death of Jesus

**SageTree** · 03-03-2011, 01:52 PM

Pope's book: Jews didn't cause death of Jesus

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A new book by Pope Benedict XVI offers a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity.

Wednesday, Benedict uses a biblical and theological analysis to explain why it is not true that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.

Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews.

While the Vatican has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said Wednesday that the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was significant and would help fight anti-Semitism today.

"There's a natural human tendency to take things for granted, and very often this tends to lead to a lapse in awareness and consciousness" about the risk of anti-Semitism, said Rabbi David Rosen, head of interreligious affairs at the American Jewish Committee and a longtime leader in Vatican-Jewish dialogue.

He noted that the Vatican issued its most authoritative document on the issue in 1965. "Nostra Aetate" revolutionized the Catholic Church's relations with Jews by saying Christ's death could not be attributed to Jews as a whole at the time or today.

Rosen said the pope's words might make a bigger, more lasting mark because the faithful tend to read Scripture and commentary more so than church documents, particularly old church documents.

"It may be an obvious thing for Jews to present texts with commentaries, but normally with church magisterium, they present a document," he said. "This is a pedagogical tool that he's providing, so people will be able to interpret the text in keeping with orthodox Vatican teaching."

The book is the second installment to Benedict's 2007 Jesus of Nazareth, his first book as pope, which offered a very personal meditation on the early years of Christ's life and teachings. This second installment, set to be released March 10, concerns the second half of Christ's life, his death and resurrection.

farmergiles · 03-03-2011, 02:39 PM

But if it wasn't the jews it must have been the romans.

Fair play in a sense because it obviously wasn't something that should be held against the jews lol jesus was a jew.

But that only leaves the Romans. Of which the Pope is the de facto heir and leader of.

So what next?

**SageTree** · 03-03-2011, 03:10 PM

But they were Pantheists then....

woops!!!

I figure even a glacier moves forward from time to time... I'll applaud the Church for at least moving at that place..... historically....

Too bad global warming wasn't having the same effect on the Church as it has on REAL glaciers.

DdC · 03-03-2011, 03:22 PM

ONDCPope

There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Vatican

The Vatican has been accused of putting the lives of thousands at risk by attempting to influence UN drugs policy on the eve of a major international declaration.

The Vatican's objection to "harm reduction" strategies, such as needle exchange schemes, has ignited a fierce debate between the US and the EU over how drugs should be tackled.

A new UN declaration of intent is due to be signed in Vienna on 11 March. However, there are major disagreements between member countries over whether a commitment to "harm reduction" should be included in the document, which is published every 10 years.

Now the Vatican has issued a statement that claims that using drugs is "anti-life" and "so-called harm reduction leads to liberalisation of the use of drugs". The Vatican's last-minute intervention appears to have led to Italy withdrawing from the EU consensus on the issue and thrown the talks over the declaration into confusion. [Guardian, UK]

Now, just to be clear, is there any doubt as to the actual truth? No.

Seven federally funded studies during the 1990s, conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the CDC and the National Academy of Sciences among others, all reached similar conclusions that NEPs work in reducing HIV's spread among IV drug users, their partners and children, and that they do not encourage increased drug use. Furthermore, a more recent study by the World Health Organization compiled the results of over 200 such reports from around the world and came to the same conclusions. [emphasis added]

The Vatican knows this, and yet they oppose needle exchange. Dr. William Martin, Professor Emeritus of Religion and Public Policy at Rice University says:

When the science is clear, when we know that something will help save lives and choose not to do it that is not only pigheaded, it is immoral.

There is no doubt that the Vatican is immoral.

I am no stranger to spirituality. I was raised in church (my father is a minister). But religion does not own, beget, nor bestow morality. And some of the most moral people I've known are atheists.

In fact, when a group of people claim to be the holders of religious truth and use that ill-gotten power for destruction rather than for the good of the people, then they are terrorists, whether they reside in caves in Pakistan, or high in the Holy See.

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

The Pope and the GOPee/Teabog Dipshits...
Spewing hate and lies to bilk the people.
The past Popes trashing Jews same as the GOPee ticks trashing ACORN...
same shit different day...

ACORN "Pimp" James O'Keefe arrested for trying to wiretap a senators office

GOP duping Teabaggers...

**SageTree** · 03-03-2011, 03:30 PM

Can't say I don't feel like that from time to time in Church.

The Rev · 03-03-2011, 04:21 PM

The blame falls solely on Pilate (and his good friend, Bigus Dickus)

The Rev

Terry · 03-03-2011, 04:29 PM

He's was killed by the reactionary authorities and the apathy of Pilate.

Never understood why Jews were persecuted for killing Jesus. He was the lamb whose blood needed to be shed for the whole of mankind. So shouldn't Christians be grateful or at least ambivalent? If Jesus didn't die he wouldn't have been resurrected and sitting at the right hand of God, he'd just get old and be like be some mad cult leader dying of natural causes. Hardly a fitting exit for the Messiah.

**SageTree** · 03-03-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

The blame falls solely on Pilate (and his good friend, Bigus Dickus)

The Rev

OH SHIT!!! YOU SPAKETH THE NAME!!!!!!

YouTube - Life of Brian - Bigus Dickus

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Originally Posted by Terry

He's was killed by the reactionary authorities and the apathy of Pilate.

Never understood why Jews were persecuted for killing Jesus. He was the lamb whose blood needed to be shed for the whole of mankind. So shouldn't Christians be grateful or at least ambivalent? If Jesus didn't die he wouldn't have been resurrected and sitting at the right hand of God, he'd just get old and be like be some mad cult leader dying of natural causes. Hardly a fitting exit for the Messiah.

People get pissed at Judas too... I always thought, 'Damn if Jesus wasn't pissed about it, should I be following his lead?'

'The Last Temptation of Christ' is one of my favourite books.

Your comment about 'what if he just got old' made me think of that.
If you or anyone hasn't read that, I'd like to recommend it right now.

Nikos Kazantzakis is a fantastic writer and he pissed a lot of people off for suggesting that Jesus could think otherwise about wanting to die... at least to the extent that he took it, because Jesus DOES after all pray to God to change the course of events... at least how it's written... in the Bible... not the Kazantzakis book.... see where the 'confusion' is headed

Really changed my 'Eyes'.

DdC · 03-03-2011, 05:33 PM

Judas was the only true follower, the rest of the schmucks were groupies. Couldn't even stay awake to let the man go out with some dignity. Denied knowing him. Doubting. Then the bibble wasn't even written by anyone knowing him. Saul/Paul was a Roman Sanhendren then poof born again? Jesus is the antichrist because the Roman fascists and the wealthy Jews created Christianity for the same old reasons, cheap labor and profit = power. Nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus anymore than Christmas shopping has to do with Jesus. It isn't always what is written, it's what is not written. By Archeology discovering Hemp as a staple and Ganja used without shame in the area. Then to not find a word in the bibble, tells volumes. Same as the Dead Sea Scrolls bringing new info. Same as Galileo... The politicks in religion are the same as the politicks conducting the Ganjawar. Jesus refused the title of King of the Jews as well as a one-up to Christ. Titles designate superiority and all of God's children are equal in the eyes of the Lord. God has absolutely no respect for humans or their inventions, including religion. The very things the Fascist "Christians" worship. With no regard to what their inventions do to what God created or even to the lives of other humans. So logically it would be the Christians that are the ones being tossed into the burning sea of OPEC crud. If anyone deserves to be pissed its Jesus over the moneysluts taking his name, his story and his teachings and bastardizing them to be the opposite. Profit selling Prophets.

Blasphemy

Archeology: Hashish Incense, did Jesus inhale?

Latest Hypocritical GOPerversion, another Prohibition!

And Jesus was a sailor. When he walked upon the water. And he spent a long time watching. From his lonely wooden tower. And when he knew for certain. Only drowning men could see him. He said "All men will be sailors then. Until the sea shall free them". But he himself was broken. Long before the sky would open. Forsaken, almost human. He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone. And you want to travel with him. And you want to travel blind. And you think maybe you'll trust him. For he's touched your perfect body with his mind.
~ Leonard Cohen

Terry · 03-03-2011, 05:37 PM

Also I think someone should tell the Pope that the Church should have said this a thousand years ago when scores of Jews were massacred or exiled. I mean when was the last time you heard a Jew being murdered for being a Christ killer, if ever?

As per the course with the Church it's another case of too little too late.

~1~ · 03-03-2011, 07:13 PM

Lunatic ramblings of an ex-Nazi trying to square up before the maker calls him home...

"Ich habe nur Befehlen gehorcht Mylord!"

wellfleation · 03-03-2011, 07:29 PM

Hey Mel. . .

**SageTree** · 03-04-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

Also I think someone should tell the Pope that the Church should have said this a thousand years ago when scores of Jews were massacred or exiled. I mean when was the last time you heard a Jew being murdered for being a Christ killer, if ever?

As per the course with the Church it's another case of too little too late.

Yes there is no doubt this wasn't 'on time'....

I can't really say who has done what in the name of who, but your suggesting something I think is feasible and I certainly haven't heard of any.... specifically.

However, I think this is to have a 'trickle down' into all the other problems that comes from the 'Christ killer' type of reasoning over the ages.

Man in Black · 03-04-2011, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

Also I think someone should tell the Pope that the Church should have said this a thousand years ago when scores of Jews were massacred or exiled. I mean when was the last time you heard a Jew being murdered for being a Christ killer, if ever?

As per the course with the Church it's another case of too little too late.

lol it's great to watch the church try to "re-write" history

SmokeaJoint · 03-04-2011, 03:41 PM

Lemme know when the Pope says that weed is cool with God and the Church. Till then, screw em all.

turmaline · 03-04-2011, 03:44 PM

if there is life after death than Jesus really didn't die then did he, than all of this has been for nothing has it not?

just a thought.

Purd Hupley · 03-04-2011, 05:41 PM

I've never understood the hatred toward the Jews, Pilate and Judas. They all played the roles they were supposed to play, dogma- wise.

**SageTree** · 03-07-2011, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Man in Black

lol it's great to watch the church try to "re-write" history

..... again

and again.....

Truth>Facts

Can't miss the forest for the trees

zerodown · 03-07-2011, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

He's was killed by the reactionary authorities and the apathy of Pilate.

Never understood why Jews were persecuted for killing Jesus. He was the lamb whose blood needed to be shed for the whole of mankind. So shouldn't Christians be grateful or at least ambivalent? If Jesus didn't die he wouldn't have been resurrected and sitting at the right hand of God, he'd just get old and be like be some mad cult leader dying of natural causes. Hardly a fitting exit for the Messiah.

yeah, I was under the impression that god sent jesus to earth with the sole purpose of dying. It was his will, why blame anybody?

The stupid part is sending an angel to impregnate a random woman married to an old man, and then waiting 30+ years for the kid to grow in order to die. Why couldn't he just sent a 30+ year old jesus to die the week prior to the scarification?

**SageTree** · 03-07-2011, 06:43 AM

should be hitting Pilate, Jews and Judas's 'thanks button' if you're into the whole story

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farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	But if it wasn't the jews it must have been the romans. Fair play in a sense because it obviously wasn't something that should be held against the jews lol jesus was a jew. But that only leaves the Romans. Of which the Pope is the de facto heir and leader of. So what next? __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	But they were Pantheists then.... woops!!! I figure even a glacier moves forward from time to time... I'll applaud the Church for at least moving at that place..... historically.... Too bad global warming wasn't having the same effect on the Church as it has on REAL glaciers. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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DdC Decade Yahookan Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Santa Cruz,CA,USA Posts: 2,118 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 51 Thanked 607 Times in 399 Posts	It was the wealthy Sanhendren Jews and Romans... forming Christianity ONDCPope There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Vatican The Vatican has been accused of putting the lives of thousands at risk by attempting to influence UN drugs policy on the eve of a major international declaration. The Vatican's objection to "harm reduction" strategies, such as needle exchange schemes, has ignited a fierce debate between the US and the EU over how drugs should be tackled. A new UN declaration of intent is due to be signed in Vienna on 11 March. However, there are major disagreements between member countries over whether a commitment to "harm reduction" should be included in the document, which is published every 10 years. Now the Vatican has issued a statement that claims that using drugs is "anti-life" and "so-called harm reduction leads to liberalisation of the use of drugs". The Vatican's last-minute intervention appears to have led to Italy withdrawing from the EU consensus on the issue and thrown the talks over the declaration into confusion. [Guardian, UK] Now, just to be clear, is there any doubt as to the actual truth? No. Seven federally funded studies during the 1990s, conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the CDC and the National Academy of Sciences among others, all reached similar conclusions that NEPs work in reducing HIV's spread among IV drug users, their partners and children, and that they do not encourage increased drug use. Furthermore, a more recent study by the World Health Organization compiled the results of over 200 such reports from around the world and came to the same conclusions. [emphasis added] The Vatican knows this, and yet they oppose needle exchange. Dr. William Martin, Professor Emeritus of Religion and Public Policy at Rice University says: When the science is clear, when we know that something will help save lives and choose not to do it that is not only pigheaded, it is immoral. There is no doubt that the Vatican is immoral. I am no stranger to spirituality. I was raised in church (my father is a minister). But religion does not own, beget, nor bestow morality. And some of the most moral people I've known are atheists. In fact, when a group of people claim to be the holders of religious truth and use that ill-gotten power for destruction rather than for the good of the people, then they are terrorists, whether they reside in caves in Pakistan, or high in the Holy See. "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1814 The Pope and the GOPee/Teabog Dipshits... Spewing hate and lies to bilk the people. The past Popes trashing Jews same as the GOPee ticks trashing ACORN... same shit different day... ACORN "Pimp" James O'Keefe arrested for trying to wiretap a senators office GOP duping Teabaggers...

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	Can't say I don't feel like that from time to time in Church. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	The blame falls solely on Pilate (and his good friend, Bigus Dickus) The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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Terry Hello Darkness Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 8,539 Thanks: 2,130 Thanked 2,392 Times in 1,189 Posts	He's was killed by the reactionary authorities and the apathy of Pilate. Never understood why Jews were persecuted for killing Jesus. He was the lamb whose blood needed to be shed for the whole of mankind. So shouldn't Christians be grateful or at least ambivalent? If Jesus didn't die he wouldn't have been resurrected and sitting at the right hand of God, he'd just get old and be like be some mad cult leader dying of natural causes. Hardly a fitting exit for the Messiah. __________________ I don't know but I've been told, If you never die you'll never grow old

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DdC Decade Yahookan Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Santa Cruz,CA,USA Posts: 2,118 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 51 Thanked 607 Times in 399 Posts	People get pissed at Judas too... Judas was the only true follower, the rest of the schmucks were groupies. Couldn't even stay awake to let the man go out with some dignity. Denied knowing him. Doubting. Then the bibble wasn't even written by anyone knowing him. Saul/Paul was a Roman Sanhendren then poof born again? Jesus is the antichrist because the Roman fascists and the wealthy Jews created Christianity for the same old reasons, cheap labor and profit = power. Nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus anymore than Christmas shopping has to do with Jesus. It isn't always what is written, it's what is not written. By Archeology discovering Hemp as a staple and Ganja used without shame in the area. Then to not find a word in the bibble, tells volumes. Same as the Dead Sea Scrolls bringing new info. Same as Galileo... The politicks in religion are the same as the politicks conducting the Ganjawar. Jesus refused the title of King of the Jews as well as a one-up to Christ. Titles designate superiority and all of God's children are equal in the eyes of the Lord. God has absolutely no respect for humans or their inventions, including religion. The very things the Fascist "Christians" worship. With no regard to what their inventions do to what God created or even to the lives of other humans. So logically it would be the Christians that are the ones being tossed into the burning sea of OPEC crud. If anyone deserves to be pissed its Jesus over the moneysluts taking his name, his story and his teachings and bastardizing them to be the opposite. Profit selling Prophets. Blasphemy Archeology: Hashish Incense, did Jesus inhale? Latest Hypocritical GOPerversion, another Prohibition! And Jesus was a sailor. When he walked upon the water. And he spent a long time watching. From his lonely wooden tower. And when he knew for certain. Only drowning men could see him. He said "All men will be sailors then. Until the sea shall free them". But he himself was broken. Long before the sky would open. Forsaken, almost human. He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone. And you want to travel with him. And you want to travel blind. And you think maybe you'll trust him. For he's touched your perfect body with his mind. ~ Leonard Cohen

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Terry Hello Darkness Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 8,539 Thanks: 2,130 Thanked 2,392 Times in 1,189 Posts	Also I think someone should tell the Pope that the Church should have said this a thousand years ago when scores of Jews were massacred or exiled. I mean when was the last time you heard a Jew being murdered for being a Christ killer, if ever? As per the course with the Church it's another case of too little too late. __________________ I don't know but I've been told, If you never die you'll never grow old

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Purd Hupley YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Pacific Northwest Posts: 222 Thanks: 1 Thanked 90 Times in 57 Posts	I've never understood the hatred toward the Jews, Pilate and Judas. They all played the roles they were supposed to play, dogma- wise.

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	should be hitting Pilate, Jews and Judas's 'thanks button' if you're into the whole story __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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