farmergiles

If America colonised Iraq it would turn into a much worse bloodbath than we have had so far.

Why bother, you've already got the oil and the contracts?

It doesn't make sense on any level.

WWII was the last time that anyone seriously tried empire by conquest and it failed.

Economics backed up by military might is the way global hegemony is enforced nowadays.

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zerodown

Someone call the e-cops, my thread is being hijacked, lol.

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zerodown

Terry, you should be more skeptical about where you get your news from, you shouldn't just trust the first thing you read:

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Terry

If it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism why can't we use any number of sources that claim there is a cabal of Illuminati/Freemasons/WASPS or w/e.

You're using an ancient source that has been PROVEN FAKE. It is plagiarism of an original work that was all satire and had nothing to do with Jews or Zionism.

Do I oppose radical Zionism? Yes. Do I oppose Israel keeping an entire people in an open air concentration camp? Yes. Do I need to use shit like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to prove these beliefs? Not at all. I can use actual fact based logic to prove the inhumanity of the situation and I think using this propaganda makes the rest of us in the right look like the nutso right wing fascists in the wrong.

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zerodown

I think you got me wrong, Im not trying to convince anyone of jumping on the zionist hate wagon, I posted the text because it has a lot valuable information about the despotic ruling of the masses.

Im sure even you can read it, and learn a lot out of it, even though you think its fake. even if it were fake, which you haven't proven to me and if you do i'd be thankful, but do it with something other than "some london newspaper proved it fake".

The bible is an ancient text and we all know its fake, that doesn't stop people from reading it every day and learning something new.

Question: What exactly are you saying is fake? the whole thing? the despotic ruling of the masses? or the zionist conspiracy? What do you mean by "its fake"?

Im confused on what exactly do you mean by "its fake", specially when you don't know what it says to begin with, but just try to explain it to me.

The plagiarized argument, can you elaborate more with something other than "its plagiarized"? I posted a link to refute the "its plagiarized" argument, did you read it?

On what do you base your claims? Thats what I want to know.

We can't have a discussion about something you haven't read, what do you think of the rense.com link I posted? Could you read it and tell me if it adresses the reason why you claim its a fake text? Does it convince you? Does it not? I have found lots of sites calling it fake, and lots of sites defending its legitimazy, so far the ones calling it fake seem the most wacky and farfetched.

It wouldn't bother me if it is fake, but it takes more than "its fake" to prove it to me.

For a text that was written/"plagiarized" in 1897, it accurately describes what has happened in the last hundred years(in geopolitics, not in zionist conspiracies), I mean, I doubt anyone who reads it could deny that what this text "foretold", became true. Guess you would never know, you won't read it, you are limiting yourself.

GF is bothering me to get off, gtg.

PS: I read the whole 24 protocols, not once I saw a line that promoted hatred toward jews. And when I was finished I didn't feel the urge to go kill me some jews. So that rethoric about jew hate is nonesense. As well as the white power cornerstone bullshit that you posted, thats not proving the text as fake, thats just like when you read an article about Chavez and somewhere down the line the author compares him to hitler.

No offense Terry, but your answers so far have been too much jfk-like.

@The people giving thanks to terry: would you care to comment? Did you guys read any of the links that have been posted? Anything? I want opinions, don't let Terry be the only one to talk about it.

Have fun guys.

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
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Not everything we hear is the truth
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~Cultura Profetica

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Ego Tripping

I think this particular belief is what Terry is really contesting though.

With that said, I see both sides and I think its irrelevant. If you are both coming to the same conclusion and can understand the path it took to get there, then that is all that truly counts.

And with that said, I can also see the danger in perpetrating something that is proven to be factually and historically inaccurate, as well.

All in all, its interesting to see two people who agree, yet disagree so vehemently.

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zerodown

Oh I love it, the best way to learn is having a good debate.

But yeah, I think Terry got me wrong, I have the idea that he thinks I just want to use this to prove that zionists are behind some conspiracy(which COULD be true), but no, I just read this text and was amazed at the truth it offers about despotic ruling. Seriously, just read the first protocol and you'll understand what I mean. If you don't get what I am saying from reading just the first protocol then forget it, but I learned a lot about the way governents are run(zionists aside).

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

Terry

If the work is not anti-Semitic, why should it matter that a Jew debunked it?

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zerodown

The text is not anti-semitic(jews), however it does talk about zionism(a not-so-secret movement of SOME ubber rich radical jews). And it does touches on the issues of masonry from the zionist point of view. But if you know that already, you can easily overlook it and read it for its intrinsic value. Same I said to ego tripping, at least read the first protocol, but read something before trying to defend/criticize.

The confusion begins when zionists use the word anti-semitic to defend themselves from critics, because people presume that you are criticizing the entire jewish race.

why use the word anti-semitic at all? just say "racist".

ZIONIST LEADERS:



JEWS:












CONCLUSION: Don't confuse one with the other.

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

Purd Hupley

Rich Jews, bankers, Rothchilds, lots of pics of Hasidics, probably some Bohemian Grove thrown in for fun. You may not be anti- Semetic, or just plain racist if you must...because somehow giving it a different word makes it less vile, but at the least your aluminum foil hat is on nice and tight.

zerodown

You got me completely backwards, I took my tin foil hat off a long time ago, Im not scared of anything in life and I try to learn everything I can(autodidact) about everything I can, even if its something I don't believe in or disagree with because we need to be informed in order to make the right choices. Try taking yours off and you'll see the world for what it is.

Oh and saying "racist" instead of "anti-semitic", its not less vile, its just the right word, it makes things less confusing, as I said, when zionists use the word anti-semitic to defend themselves from critics they make it look as if the person criticizing is criticizing the whole jewish race, when they are not. However if you just say racists, there is no confusion.

If you are a racist you are a racist, no need to make up words for different kinds of racism. People who hate americans for being americans are racist, people who hate hispanics are racist, people who hate africans are racist, why is it anti-semitism when its jews or zionists? No logic other than propaganda(manipulat ion).

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"I've seen people so poor all they got is money."

We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta