zerodown

When I first came across this document I thought "this might be some crazy zionist world domination blueprint" and well it is, without the "crazy". I read the first protocol just to see whats going on, and all I could do afterwards was light a blunt and read the rest of it, I just couldn't stop, it was like reading a history book on how the system is run. It was apparently written in 1897, magazines like "time" and other zionist organizations have tried to discredit this text, you be the judge of its credibility: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Its LONG, all I can guarantee is that if you start reading it, you might not want to stop.

TIP: Smoke a bowl/blunt, you'll read it in 2 hours. PLUS you'll understand it better.

"Know thy enemy"

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Terry

Wow dude. Sorry to be blunt but you're pretty gullible and lost quite a bit of credibility in my book.

First of all the book is a plagiarism of another, completely satirical attack against Napoleon Bonaparte. Second of all it was proven to be a hoax as early as 1920, and third of all it was distributed to the masses in late 19th century Russia for the sole purpose of averting well deserved blame from the Czarist government.

Seriously man it takes about three minutes to completely debunk this idiotic book of half baked conspiracies. I would recommend you increase your grain of salt intake.

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The Rev

I just want you to know that I will be using this line on people regularly from now on.



The Rev

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Ego Tripping

Makes two.

Otherwise, even if it was true, I never found it helped to focus on what forces are holding me back rather than the ones that are helping me along.

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zerodown

As easily as people can debunk the 9/11 truth movement? Nigga please.

I read the debunking material as well, my salt levels are normal.

I said, I couldn't stop reading the book, because its like a history book on how the system is run, I didn't say "this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". But if you do read it, You will see that the world is run in that despotic way described on it, regardless of who runs it, be that zionists, americans, bildergerg or some secret masonic cult or anyone else. Read it for its intrinsic truth, not its factual truth.

But oh well, you don't have to read it if you already believe its bullshit. But if you want to get a more indept understanding on "HOW THE SYSTEM IS RUN AND WHY", then take two hours from your time and enjoy a good read.

In fact I said, "YOU be the judge of its credibility".

PS: Who debunked this in the 20s? Lucien Wolf (1857 in London – 1930) was an English Jewish journalist, historian, and advocate of Jewish rights.

Who would have guessed.

PSS: This is interesting though: Article 32 of the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) reads: “The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.”

PSSS: Heres a debunking of the debunkers site, haven't read it all as im late for university: http://www.rense.com/general45/protodd.htm

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"I've seen people so poor all they got is money."

We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

Ego Tripping

Uh, he did...you're just getting butt-hurt about it, though.

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Purd Hupley

HAMAS, you say? Cool. Now there's an organization known for being reasonable. If the Zionists wanted to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates they would have. They beat every country who attacked them. Did they take some land? Yup, conquered it fair and square. I'm sure HAMAS would be much more magnanamous (jondra?) were roles reversed.

I don't shout anti- Semite often, but you're getting there. The Protocols are a hoax. But luckily there's one born every minute.

zerodown

he said its fake cause some jew in the 20s said its fake but oh well... the worst that could happen is that you gain new knowledge, just trying to spread conscience

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

Terry

First of all it was a London newspaper not "some Jew"

dude the book is plagiarized and was plagiarized specifically to target Jews when in fact the original work HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS.

Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

The Protocols is worthless, dated stereotypical trash. Go ahead and read it it's a free country, just realize that presenting it as some deep work against Zionism is an ass backwards way of making your point. Why not use actual history when criticizing Israel? To use this garbage propaganda does nothing for the cause but paint you as an ignorant anti semite conspiracy theorist.

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stoneric

You don't get to keep conquered land.

zerodown

1. Lucien Wolf "exposed" the protocols before the london newspaper
2. The london newspaper is actually the london times newspaper.
3. The link I posted goes into detail about that article in the london times, guess you didn't read that either. Dude writting the article is a PhD, must be serious lol.
4. The only thing I see that you have read is the debunking site that starts with: "Intellectual cornerstone of the white power movement, The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion serves a crucial role in the personal growth of any heartfelt anti-semite."

With that introduction I already know where they are going with it.

Propaganda by Edward Bernays

5. I didn't present this as a deep work against zionism(90% of americans are not aware of what zionism is), I presented it as a great book on how the system( despot governments) are run in a despotic fashion, and why these despots make certain decisions.
6. How can you blindly swear its a fake if all you have read is a satirical article call in it fake? You haven't read the actual text you're calling fake, nor the argument against the fake argument. You're like the people who call 9/11 truth movement people "conspiracy nuts" because the official report says otherwise.
7. I still think every person on the planet should read it, not so they hate zionists, but because they will learn a lot of truth about governments. But again, read it for its INTRINSIC value, and you will learn a lot about how society works, don't read it for its factual truth or because its geared towards zionism(which even jews despise)
8. I don't hate jews, I hate SOME jews starting with the rothschild dinasty. Specific ones, with names, not an entire race.
9. If talking about this text makes me look as an "ignorant anti semite conspiracy theorist. " it only shows that propaganda does work.
10. The book is not "plagiarized", as the article I posted states, the author didn't forge a fake, he was forging an original, its obvious the author was not present on this meeting of zion elders, he just made a book about it and its a great book on the despotic ruling of the masses. The fake argument is solely based on less than a dozen lines in the text that have similarities with lines from montesqieu's dialougue in hell. Which maybe you haven't read either.
11. I don't have a problem with you not liking the document, I have a problem with someone coming here yelling FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! when they have no clue what the text even says. and can't even read arguments against the fake claims. In other words, I have a problem with blind faith, thats why I read the document, the fake arguments, the arguments against those fake arguments, and articles related to the issue.

The purpose of the topic was to discuss its contents, it is a discussion board still.


12. @Purd Hupley: I'm not legitimazing the text because it appears in the HAMAS covenant, or supporting HAMAS, I just noted that HAMAS recognizes the document as legit on their covenant, although I recommend you read more into what HAMAS is from other sources other than the times, or any of the major public opinion shaping magazines/newspaper calling HAMAS an unreazonable group of terrorist nutjobs.

HAVE A NICE DAY EVERYBODY, I love debates, but I still like you guys, I wouldn't keep coming here if I didn't. No hard feelings.

And yes the salt comment on terry's first post was great

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

Purd Hupley

You don't? Seriously? When did this start? What happens if you keep it? Do you get a sternly written letter? In the real world, if you conquer land you, if no one conquers it from you, get to keep it.

stoneric

So Iraq is ours? And anything and everything is anybody's for the taking as long as the vanquished can't take it back? Is that the real world? I thought you'd go with the attempted genocide of the native americans before you'd try to imply that's how todays world works.

Purd Hupley

1) Yes, if we wanted. If tomorrow the Presiddent, with Congressional approval, said "Hey, we've decided we're keeping Iraq." no one would be able to stop it. Oh, there's be plenty of sturm and drang, but at the end of the day it'd be tourist destination within five years.

2) In terms of geopolitics, yes. Conquerers take and keep stuff. Really. You can look it up in any history book.

Do they always keep it? No. Sometimes land is used as a bargaining chip to bring about a truce. Sometimes one's eyes are bigger than their stomachs, so to speak. Operation Barbarossa, for instance. The Germans were unable, for a variety of reasons, to keep their Soviet land. Or both sides agree to basically move back to the pre- fighting "lines". Sort of like the Koreas.

I know your intent was to ask the question, then break it down to something like "If I came to your house and took your belt buckle collection, and you couldn't get it back, that would be OK?". Right? No, that wouldn't be OK, and we're talking apples and mangoes, so one doesn't apply to the other. Nice try, tho. Thanx for playing.

3) Yup. That's how the real world works. It's on the news.

4) Everybody...everybod y has skeletons in their cultural/ racial/ religious/ creed/ however you choose to identify yourselve's closet. At some point all of our ancestors were both conquered and conquerers. We all live in glass houses. Some of them more recent than others. But let's not delude ourselves by thinking someone's ancestors were less bloodthirsty than our own.

I'm sorry if you can't wrap your head around the fact that conquerers keep what they conquer. But it's the the world works. Always has since one group noticed there was another group over the hill.

stoneric

Bullshit.

Purd Hupley

^^^ LOL. Literally. That was a reasoned, well thought out and well presented response, Ric. You should be proud.

Štulic

Well then don't run around cry like a baby when billions of people are up and about to kill you because you're an American. With that attitude you deserve it!
Good luck with that, lucky you only last a few decades so you don't have to worry about and cope with the consequences of the inevitable downfall of the empire you're so sickenigly proud of. I hope you don't reproduce, for the sake of humanity, sick.

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Purd Hupley

^^^^ Wasn't saying it was the optimum way to run things, because I don't think it is. I doubt we'll ever find the perfect way or running the world, but I was talking about the way the world (not the "real world", but the world) works. It is what it is. Wanting it not to be that way doesn't change what it really is.

We all have expiration dates, so it's OK. You won't live to see your dire predictions come through either.

Calling it bullshit, calling it crap, telling me I don't deserve a family, going on and on with the tired old rhetoric about the collapse of the "empire" (that you so sickeningly long for), calling me "sick" does not refute a word of what I said. It doesn't even try. Plus it certainly comes close to the bar of hostile discourse we've been so concerned about the last few years. And to be honest, I expect a lot better out of both you and stoneric.

Captain Cannabis

5 star thread

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stoneric

Sorry man, but the first paragraph was all I had to read to come to that conclusion. To say that all the president has to do is declare Iraq is ours, as long as there is congressional approval, is ludicrous. I realize the international community is powerless against the big, bad u.s. but to blatently violate international law would leave even our staunchest allies outraged and we'd be more isolated than n.korea.