John F. Kerry

Opinion: The hypocrisy of the American left - Joe Scarborough - POLITICO.com


how about actually read this and tell me what you think about it?


guantanamo- open

Libya- invaded without congressional approval

public option- nope

comfy union-man shoes on the picket line - niet

manning - snug in a suicide proof smock


code pink and acorn and moveon- STILL SUPPORTING OBAMA...



is anybody else confused?


"Self-righteousness is a dangerous vice. It breeds arrogance and moral blind spots for those who come to believe they are superior to those who share different worldviews. " reminds me of someone talking about nuclear power on here the last couple of days....

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Waves

dude. this is a pot website. people are going to disagree with your conservative opinion pieces. i dont even have to read it.

you or joe scarfag isnt going to convince anyone of anything. the entire country has their mind made up, and is engaged in one big battle of left vs right. nothing gets accomplished here (except war) and our country is falling apart because we cant set aside our differences and agree on ANYTHING. the democrats pass a bill, the conservatives veto it the next day. the GOP passes a bill, the liberals reverse it the next day. or year.

we're so fascinated by this illusion of control and power that we cant see its fucking destroying our country.

as for confusion, thats the point. they want you to be perpetually confused so you dont see whats really going on underneath the bullshit.

dont you have anywhere else you can go to post this crap?

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my_scatterheart

Yeah, I'm confused as to why you would mention groups like ACORN and Code Pink like any sort of majority agrees with those crazy twats.

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Waves

So when conservatives do it, its patriotic and for the good of spreading democracy to the world, and their morals are unquestioned. When the democrats do it, its a meek and ironic gesture of moral certainty.

This is what is called "doublespeak" in 1984. Keep fighting amongst yourselves, keep the perpetual war going while tugging at the moral heartstrings of two opposing forces- the gop and the liberals.

I could go through and do this for most of joes idiotic comments. but i have better shit to do today.

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cantSEEme

j, i read the whole article, and here are my thoughts -

im just as critical of obama, biden, clinton (especially on libya) and his cabinet as i am/was bush, cheny, rice, gonzalez, et all....

what "left" is ol joe speaking of? im not part of that "left" that was cheering an "invasion" of lybia (did we actually invade? i thought it was a nfz that nato took over).

acorn, codepink, and moveon still support obama, but is he bought and paid for by them say like, dick cheney and halliburton?

televangelists are the only ones caught with their pants down? i seem to recall many a repub and democrat being caught doing the hanky panky.



and when gadaffi was visiting the states a couple years ago, who's backyard did he rest his tent in? trump. and what political party is he part of? republican.

that's all for now. im pretty toasted and this article pissed me off, because he (joe) is doing exactly what he is complaining about, and that's assuming and placing blame.

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Terry

Dunno why you hate CodePink Scatter, they're just moms trying to help other moms see their boys again.

And J I dunno if whoever wrote that article actually reads what the code pink ladies say, but they definitely don't approve the extensions of either war.

CODEPINK : Women Say No To War

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John F. Kerry

well i appreciate you reading it and shit.... at least your not like waves and the other proud to be closeminded folk. I am not republican, im a moderate. and personally I love to read articles that completely critique and criticize my positions because i find them useful and helpful in refining and expanding my knowledge and opinion. I kind of laugh at the idea that waves and the rest of the hate-j crew literally get angry or offended by statements or artitcles that challenge their worldview. I love to hear things that disagree with me, and I find them infinitely more useful than reading things from people who would probably just be a carbon copy of what i might already think. it seems so lazy, its no wonder that liberals like msnbc.... anybody who watches fox would see that quite often they present positions that are clashing and have strong disagreements between different guests- whereas on msnbc is typically just a liberal love fest with them all talking about their usual liberal talking points and then just like in that south park episode all loving the smell of each others farts and laughing about sarah palin or something.... all the while, as joe scarborough shows in his article, ignoring the total hypocrisy of supporting obamas policies even tho they are the same as bushes in many ways.

so thank you for the republican critical comments cansee and everyone else... i like that stuff too. And anyone with the slightest spark of intellectual curiosity should , at least imo, have no problem with people disagreeing... and certainly not in the "im so intelligent and thats why i have my view and your stupid and thats why you have yours" way.... thats just what scarborough was talking about.... having that type of dismissive, not willing to question yourself, and also a self-righteous because you think your better than everyone else.... its just like a crazy combination of factors that is at least intellectually lazy, and at worst, hypocritical and dangerous.

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John F. Kerry

"dude. this is a pot website. people are going to disagree with your conservative opinion pieces. i dont even have to read it."

there are so many things wrong with this comment i dont even know where to begin... for one thing its no wonder your so depressed all the time, for another its self-fulfilling prophecies like this (that are totally wrong) that have caused mj prohibition to go on for so long- how many former police officers and how many libertarian conservatives think the gov't has no business regulating a naturally growing plant that is less harmful than alcohol and tobacco.... stop looking at everything in such stark depressing black and white terms.... do u honestly think that everybody who smokes pot (or even the vast majority) are liberal? why ? because you are? isnt that a bit insane or at the very least an error of logic?

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my_scatterheart

Because Code Pink are disrespectful to the max to those still alive who are/have served. I don't dig on that. At. All. There's a way to go about things.

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Sugar420

yes i read it and i also think that what joe referrs to as "left" is not really left at all, because there is no left in the USA anymore.
a better title would be The Hypocrisy of America

SageTree

@ JFK:

Libertarian Conservatives. 2 part question.

Part 1:
I'm interested in what you mean and if Libertarian is inherently Conservative in your opinion.

I've asked you this before, If you'd like to indulge me please, I'd love to hear it
This question isn't loaded.

The only preface I'll offer is that I am a registered Libertarian and don't feel myself to be a 'traditional' stereo-type of a Conservative at all.

So Part 2:

Is, Are there wings of the Libertarian party or in your opinion is there a party on the 'left' that you would call the Liberal Libertarian party?

When I type in any thing dealing with Socialist/Communist Libertarian I get lots of hits for Anarchist Collectives and stuff along that order.... And at least in my mind I don't know if I'm THAT far either .... just searching for some meaning in all these words

Thank you kindly,
SageTree

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The Rev

You hit it on the knob, my color-changing heroine. Each side, however they draw the lines between them (left and right, republican and democrat, progressive and conservative) trys to sell you on the idea that their side is the "good guys" when in fact, all the sides are the bad guys.



The Rev

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Waves

lol....

j wonder is telling me to stop looking at things in black and white terms

get a load of this guys
Thats not what I said dude. Learn to read. You are making the same mistake you are accusing me of. I didnt make the BLACK AND WHITE STATEMENT that everyone who smokes pot is a liberal.

Im not even a liberal you idiot. Its that black-and-white perspective of YOURS that makes everyone who disagrees with YOU a liberal.

I said this is a pot website, pot smokers DO TEND to be liberals in the vast majority, and they tend NOT to be conservative. if you arent aware of this you have no friends and you need more world exposure.

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Waves

And thats the very problem. People are fighting illusions.

The democrats fight against the unrealistic image of republicans as over-zealous patriots who are willing to bomb brown people for gas, and the republicans fight against unrealistic images of liberals as pansy ass do-gooders who would rather see a crackhead get fed for free than a rich dude get taxed a few extra bucks.

The struggle is all in our minds, its complete bullshit and its fabricated so we all have an enemy, and we all have to pick a side. nothing gets done, we spend all day pointing fingers and placing blame and getting angry at the "other side."

Fuck that shit, and fuck "opinion pieces" altogether. they amount to nothing more than mudslinging, reinforcing the black-and-white perspective that these people arent even aware they take. (look at j, telling ME i see things in black-and-white while he posts what amounts to republican propaganda?)

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DdC

George W. Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s moral failings. They have been regularly compared to Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini and every other tyrant of the past century. Bush has been damned by the ministers of the far left as a war criminal, a fascist and a Nazi.

ah... True?

stoneric

Someone could ask similar questions about the "right". They bitch about obomba having no end game in Libya, like they did about clintoon in the Balkans, yet said nothing about dumbya starting two wars that still don't have an end game 10 years later. But like V3d4 said, there is no left in this country.

The Rev

We need to start a new party. One that asks, "Once your done with all the bullshit, what then? What comes after?" And we reply, the After Party.

I think the marketing boys can sell this one.



The Rev

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Grieves

j doesn't realize that the way he is treated is a direct result of the attitude he presents, he's one of those blame everyone take no accountability types, everyone else is always wrong, j is never wrong, just misinterpreted.....

i post this again to remind him that if he ever wants civil discource the chart for success is right here...

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Waves

^thats the chart for stupid LIBERALS though right?

we conservatives debate only with FACTS and DATA.

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Waves

the third problem that arises in the general populace is that the people who DO see whats happening are usually so disenfranchised/jaded with the whole process that they just go "fuck it" and let the fucks do what they please. i wish wish wish someone would do something to get the ball rolling. i know its going to happen soon. we live comfortably, but it gets more uncomfortable by the day and its GOING to hit a tipping point eventually.

its like two kids who are constantly battling over stupid mundane shit, except these two kids have no parents and are allowed to just keep going at it until conditions become so bad that they both live in a straw hut eating shit for breakfast.

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