So FL governor wants to drug test state employees & welfare recipients!

wellfleation · 03-29-2011, 06:08 PM

So what do you think. Just because you work for the state what you do on your own personal time is your bosses business? I don't think so. How about state workers being lumped in with welfare recipients - nice! Personally I don't think either should be drug tested, especially state workers. And why should welfare recipients be tested when all the really bad stuff gets out of your system quickly, but something benign like pot stays for weeks which would cause them to lose their measly checks. And if I was poor and someone asked me to smoke a joint (doesn't mean you paid for it, right?) to take me away from my misery for a couple hours I would. But god forbid someone should be able to escape their misery in this country under republican rule!

Of course this ass-hole is a republican. And of course he owns a drug testing firm!

Another republican trying to make money off working people and the poor and trying to make them as miserable as possible in the process. God republicans are the biggest ass-holes, they don't even try to hide it anymore. Say bye bye to them in 2012. I predict they will ALL be gone in the biggest sweep ever. I can't wait.

The Rev · 03-29-2011, 10:29 PM

I think that promising to knuckle down on people whose ostracism is generally accepted gets votes. Worked for Hitler.

The Rev

Xil · 03-29-2011, 10:38 PM

i definitely agree with not testing state employees, just like everyone else what they do on their own time should be their own business.

same with welfare recipients, though i do understand the argument that if the state is giving them money for food and housing there is a reasonable expectation that they aren't using the money to get high.

**mothernature** · 03-30-2011, 04:06 AM

They did something similar to that here in Ky. It really hits home to me.

I have a friend who has been on disability for a while now. She used to sell a few of her pills to buy weed. Now she can't smoke weed because the new law says she must be drug tested. If she has weed in her system and/or not enough of the pain meds, she loses her disability.

Now...the amount of legal meds she now takes, to do the job the weed did for her, is incredible. She's a zombie now, and will soon be relegated to some sort of assisted living situation. Of course the taxpayers will be paying for that.

Oh, her check is $535 a month. That is alot more than most welfare mothers get. How can anyone think these people have so much government money they can afford to become hard core drug addicts?

On the other hand, the coal mines of east Ky. are in need of miners. They are having trouble finding people who can pass the drug test. They pay $18 per hour and there's only been 1 death this year.

wellfleation · 03-30-2011, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xil

same with welfare recipients, though i do understand the argument that if the state is giving them money for food and housing there is a reasonable expectation that they aren't using the money to get high.

This is just another excuse to drug test people/for the government to control people/legislate morality. What the government is REALLY saying is, "If you collect from the government than the government has the right to control what you do." That is bull-shit.

Just because a person has mj in their system does not mean they bought it with their welfare money.That is a big assumption. What's next, testing people who collect unemployment, SSI, SSDI, where will it end?

The same with state workers with the excuse being that if tax payers are paying your salary than the government has a right to control what you do during your personal life. Total fucking BS.

Remember this slippery slope began regarding the 5th Amendment and road stops? You stop at a sobriety check point and the cops walk around your car with a dog, because, the courts ruled that if you are using state roads than the condition is consent (bs). Well, her is another example of the government slowly eroding away our god given rights (e.g. the Constitution). Fuck the government, especially ass-hole republitards. We got to vote these lunatics out ASAP before they cause more damage to us.

Did I mention the gov (e.g. ass-hole) also owns a drug testing company. Of course, no conflict of interest there.

Xil · 03-30-2011, 07:10 PM

Once again, im not saying i advocate testing welfare recipients, but you gotta see where they're coming from.

It is possible to be a hardcore drug addict on welfare, just not welfare alone (ie you gotta steal)

and if your getting welfare whose to say where that money ends and your drug buying money begins. but if your gonna go with this argument the government should be testing for money wasting fastfood, alcohol, nicotine, and needless luxuries too (not that people who need welfare get that many...)

the only solution to this problem is legal weed...

**mothernature** · 03-31-2011, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wellfleation

This is just another excuse to drug test people/for the government to control people/legislate morality. What the government is REALLY saying is, "If you collect from the government than the government has the right to control what you do." That is bull-shit.

Just because a person has mj in their system does not mean they bought it with their welfare money.That is a big assumption. What's next, testing people who collect unemployment, SSI, SSDI, where will it end?

The same with state workers with the excuse being that if tax payers are paying your salary than the government has a right to control what you do during your personal life. Total fucking BS.

Remember this slippery slope began regarding the 5th Amendment and road stops? You stop at a sobriety check point and the cops walk around your car with a dog, because, the courts ruled that if you are using state roads than the condition is consent (bs). Well, her is another example of the government slowly eroding away our god given rights (e.g. the Constitution). Fuck the government, especially ass-hole republitards. We got to vote these lunatics out ASAP before they cause more damage to us.

Did I mention the gov (e.g. ass-hole) also owns a drug testing company. Of course, no conflict of interest there.

I have to agree with you. It will never stop until we, the people, make it stop.

stoneric · 03-31-2011, 03:26 PM

No one should be drug tested. No one.

Xil · 03-31-2011, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

No one should be drug tested. No one.

this is really the root of the issue. only time i could approve of drug testing is shit like breathalyzing or saliva tests if someone did something stupid and caused a crash

**mothernature** · 04-01-2011, 04:30 AM

Honestly, I can think of situations where I would want a person drug tested in advance. I would like to know that the pilot flying my plane is not drunk for example. I don't wanna test them after we crash.

Also, let's think this through a bit...

You take a person who gets welfare. They get what, about $400 a month benefits for 1 child? They fail the drug test. They get no benefits. Child is starving. Child gets taken from parent and placed in foster care. Foster care is what, about $800 per month. Great way to save money.

Worse scenario, child's brain fails to develop properly, due to lack of food, child becomes retarded. Child gets check for entire life.

If there is a drug problem, we need to address what's causing the problem, not pick on a particular group of people who are already weak, play-acting like we're doing something.

Xil · 04-01-2011, 09:06 AM

yea but it is a way to spot out the 'parents' who get welfare money then take their kids to trap houses, dont feed 'em, blow all their money on meth, and generally are unfit parents. and dont try to tell me this doesnt happen because i've witnessed it.

**mothernature** · 04-01-2011, 12:12 PM

Well, those cases are what CPS and agencies like that, are supposed to be for. You know weed stays in your system longer than other things.

I wonder if any studies have been done to see how many welfare dollars are REALLY spent by drug addicts or if this is just more political bullshit.

Xil · 04-01-2011, 02:14 PM

CPS is scacry. theres nothing more heartbreaking than talking to a mom whose trying to get her kids back

and yea i know, i've failed enough drug tests to have caught on

people act like its welfare thats draining our cash reserves but as a percentage of our spending its nothing. fighting wars and giving welfare to big corps is whats doing us in.

drug testing is demeaning, next time i have to piss in a cup while some asshole watches i think i might just start jerking it to really give him something to watch.

wellfleation · 04-01-2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mothernature

You know weed stays in your system longer than other things.

Yes, and no one is addicted to weed to cause them to put the weed in front of their kids unless they would do so anyway for anything, unlike crack & heroin, which go out of your system in 24 hours. Yes, we all know weed stays in your system much much longer than anything else, and so does the government. They know and like this as it gives them an excuse to FURTHER control people, and if the people don't like it, take their money back for no reason (no child neglect, abuse, just someone doing something THE MAN doesn't approve of).

Again, FUCK the government. It's time to make some noise and get them OUT.

Xil · 04-01-2011, 08:49 PM

crack and heroine being gone in 24 hours? i wouldnt feel safe taking a drug test 24 hours after ANY drug. 2-3 days is more like it for water soluble drugs

DEAth to the DEA

wellfleation · 04-01-2011, 10:26 PM

Kill them

If you are 18 - 30 and don't vote to change things than fuck you too. Deal with it (oppression).

Xil · 04-01-2011, 10:33 PM

fuck voting, shoot dea agent.

**mothernature** · 04-02-2011, 01:32 AM

Well, I found this. It's from '08, but the info is still pretty accurate I think.

Drug Testing of Public Assistance Recipients as a Condition of Eligibility | American Civil Liberties Union

Something else I haven't seen much talk about...

Someone watching me pee. When I was on probation, it was part of my "punishment", but when we (as a country) want to watch someone pee in exchange for money...that seems a bit perverted, don't ya think?

So remember you guys, a well placed sneeze or cough and you could "accidentally" piss all over some drug tester.

Xil · 04-02-2011, 09:07 AM

thanks for the awesome link natural mommy

i used to purposefully piss all over my hands, than 'accidentally' grab the sleeve of my drug tester..

couldnt have pissed directly on him though since he was always watching via an angled mirror.

Dr. Nick Nasty · 04-02-2011, 06:36 PM

the concept of privacy is universal or it's not. shit, you'd lose half the english departments at high schools if you did that shit in new england.

03-29-2011, 06:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	So FL governor wants to drug test state employees & welfare recipients! So what do you think. Just because you work for the state what you do on your own personal time is your bosses business? I don't think so. How about state workers being lumped in with welfare recipients - nice! Personally I don't think either should be drug tested, especially state workers. And why should welfare recipients be tested when all the really bad stuff gets out of your system quickly, but something benign like pot stays for weeks which would cause them to lose their measly checks. And if I was poor and someone asked me to smoke a joint (doesn't mean you paid for it, right?) to take me away from my misery for a couple hours I would. But god forbid someone should be able to escape their misery in this country under republican rule! Of course this ass-hole is a republican. And of course he owns a drug testing firm! Another republican trying to make money off working people and the poor and trying to make them as miserable as possible in the process. God republicans are the biggest ass-holes, they don't even try to hide it anymore. Say bye bye to them in 2012. I predict they will ALL be gone in the biggest sweep ever. I can't wait. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

03-29-2011, 10:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	I think that promising to knuckle down on people whose ostracism is generally accepted gets votes. Worked for Hitler. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

03-29-2011, 10:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	i definitely agree with not testing state employees, just like everyone else what they do on their own time should be their own business. same with welfare recipients, though i do understand the argument that if the state is giving them money for food and housing there is a reasonable expectation that they aren't using the money to get high. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

03-30-2011, 07:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	Once again, im not saying i advocate testing welfare recipients, but you gotta see where they're coming from. It is possible to be a hardcore drug addict on welfare, just not welfare alone (ie you gotta steal) and if your getting welfare whose to say where that money ends and your drug buying money begins. but if your gonna go with this argument the government should be testing for money wasting fastfood, alcohol, nicotine, and needless luxuries too (not that people who need welfare get that many...) the only solution to this problem is legal weed... __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

04-01-2011, 09:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	yea but it is a way to spot out the 'parents' who get welfare money then take their kids to trap houses, dont feed 'em, blow all their money on meth, and generally are unfit parents. and dont try to tell me this doesnt happen because i've witnessed it. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

03-30-2011, 04:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	They did something similar to that here in Ky. It really hits home to me. I have a friend who has been on disability for a while now. She used to sell a few of her pills to buy weed. Now she can't smoke weed because the new law says she must be drug tested. If she has weed in her system and/or not enough of the pain meds, she loses her disability. Now...the amount of legal meds she now takes, to do the job the weed did for her, is incredible. She's a zombie now, and will soon be relegated to some sort of assisted living situation. Of course the taxpayers will be paying for that. Oh, her check is $535 a month. That is alot more than most welfare mothers get. How can anyone think these people have so much government money they can afford to become hard core drug addicts? On the other hand, the coal mines of east Ky. are in need of miners. They are having trouble finding people who can pass the drug test. They pay $18 per hour and there's only been 1 death this year.

03-31-2011, 03:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	No one should be drug tested. No one.

04-01-2011, 04:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	Honestly, I can think of situations where I would want a person drug tested in advance. I would like to know that the pilot flying my plane is not drunk for example. I don't wanna test them after we crash. Also, let's think this through a bit... You take a person who gets welfare. They get what, about $400 a month benefits for 1 child? They fail the drug test. They get no benefits. Child is starving. Child gets taken from parent and placed in foster care. Foster care is what, about $800 per month. Great way to save money. Worse scenario, child's brain fails to develop properly, due to lack of food, child becomes retarded. Child gets check for entire life. If there is a drug problem, we need to address what's causing the problem, not pick on a particular group of people who are already weak, play-acting like we're doing something.

04-01-2011, 12:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	Well, those cases are what CPS and agencies like that, are supposed to be for. You know weed stays in your system longer than other things. I wonder if any studies have been done to see how many welfare dollars are REALLY spent by drug addicts or if this is just more political bullshit.

04-01-2011, 02:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	CPS is scacry. theres nothing more heartbreaking than talking to a mom whose trying to get her kids back and yea i know, i've failed enough drug tests to have caught on people act like its welfare thats draining our cash reserves but as a percentage of our spending its nothing. fighting wars and giving welfare to big corps is whats doing us in. drug testing is demeaning, next time i have to piss in a cup while some asshole watches i think i might just start jerking it to really give him something to watch. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

04-01-2011, 08:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	crack and heroine being gone in 24 hours? i wouldnt feel safe taking a drug test 24 hours after ANY drug. 2-3 days is more like it for water soluble drugs DEAth to the DEA __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

04-01-2011, 10:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	Kill them If you are 18 - 30 and don't vote to change things than fuck you too. Deal with it (oppression). __________________ FIGHTPOWER

04-01-2011, 10:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	fuck voting, shoot dea agent. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

04-02-2011, 01:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	Well, I found this. It's from '08, but the info is still pretty accurate I think. Drug Testing of Public Assistance Recipients as a Condition of Eligibility \| American Civil Liberties Union Something else I haven't seen much talk about... Someone watching me pee. When I was on probation, it was part of my "punishment", but when we (as a country) want to watch someone pee in exchange for money...that seems a bit perverted, don't ya think? So remember you guys, a well placed sneeze or cough and you could "accidentally" piss all over some drug tester.

04-02-2011, 09:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	thanks for the awesome link natural mommy i used to purposefully piss all over my hands, than 'accidentally' grab the sleeve of my drug tester.. couldnt have pissed directly on him though since he was always watching via an angled mirror. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

04-02-2011, 06:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dr. Nick Nasty Reactionary Radical Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York/New Jersey Metro Wasteland Posts: 1,049 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 653 Thanked 364 Times in 232 Posts	the concept of privacy is universal or it's not. shit, you'd lose half the english departments at high schools if you did that shit in new england. __________________ "I do not wish any mass at all, but honest men only, lovely, sweet, accomplished women only."-Emma Goldman

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