no_limit1

ok, last i checked those national parks are for the citisens of the country. who else is saying FU to all the talk about national park closures etc... and will go inside the park anyways if it "closes"? ofcourse dont be a dick and not leave any money in the box for your pass. as far as im concerned just because the feds cant afford Ranger Johns paycheck doesn't mean that i cant have access to MY and YOURS park as long as i pay for my pass at the box. Besides, last time i went to rocky mountain national park, they had WAYYYYYYYYY too many Rangers on duty and needed to cut/transfer a clean half of em.

no_limit1

heh, sorry. im all gone and didnt realise this was the wrong forum. pls move to the appropriate forum. thanks!

Geeno

I heard a female ranger on NPR discussing how badly she was harassed and tormented by male coworkers and the lack of action or concern by the governing board of the organization.

semirelated

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my_scatterheart

I heard that the chinese own most of our national parks

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Xil

I consider the national parks free for my use, pass or no pass.
just leave the land good for everyone else, not long those who give pot growers a bad name by trashing the land

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no_limit1

nope, thats the UN/NATO you are talking about. i remember watching a documentary (End Game i believe) that broke it all down about how most of our national lands are now UN/NATO owned and what the government has done with the signs outsid eof the parks. (look in inconspicuos places. a good place to look is in the THEATER of the Rocky Mountain National Park visitor center. there is a UN/NATO plack in there.

RMNP
Grand Canyon
Redwoods NP
and many others....yellowston e!

John F. Kerry

just ask yourself this, if the republicans know fully well what happened in 1995 then clearly it would be stupid for them to be the ones wanting this to happen this time.... they are the ones with the mandate, they are the ones who should be at least given one chance to make policy and see how it works.... and Obama wont allow a current continuing budget to pass.... he will VETO it even if passed by DEMS and REPS together (as he said), And the reason it has gone on this long was because the democrats through political stagnation and fear werent able to pass last years budget in last years congress.... they figured they would "have a fight when it was in gop hands and try to score poltical points by using the budget against the gop for 'killing children'...etc" .... so intead of doing anything for the last year 5 months they were in power.... Pelos-dogg and Reid were busy trying to pull all sorts of straiht up bulshit that everyone could plainly see and call out, and did.

so now for the gop to want to have more cuts, to at least start to get us on a path to a budget that fits our income....sheesh.... we need to mang, we have 2/3s of the budget that we pay for, and the other third is just a fucking high interest credit card every month....many people rightly believe that its far more expensive to grandma and grandpa....and you and me, unlike the bs artists matthews and odonnell, its about getting our financial house in order which is so ridiculously necessary and obvious that a bunch of rubes like the southern members of the tea party at least were able to take up this issue and make it really important..... even larry the cable guy knows u cant take out a 50% interest loan to pay for 1/3 of your budget or else your wife done gone hit ya in the pooper done shuck em up....

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mothernature

So we cut the budget...what do we cut? Social Security? Disability? Education? Armed forces? Foreign aid? Infrastructure? Do we stop spending on all those problems left to us by other generations?

Or do we raise taxes? Maybe corporations should have to pay more. Maybe the tax breaks for the rich was not such a good idea? We could always put a higher tariff on imported goods. That would generate cash from all those addicted to electronic gadgets.

For one, I'd like to see a more effective watch dog committee, to oversee wasteful spending. I doubt many of you remember the $700 hammers we bought years ago.

Also, instead of selling off our roads, why can't we just make them toll roads ourselves? This could generate income for us, not some foreign corporation.

This is a problem I have with Washington and alot of others. Things are not thought through to their logical conclusion. For example, cut food stamps and what do you get? Alot of hungry people. And what do hungry people do? Find food where ever they can. This would include every corner store and even your pantry. Arrest all those people. Build more prisons. Hire more guards. All at taxpayers expense, of course.

As far as the parks go, I have never let a sign stop me from doing what I felt was right.

zerodown

Thats what I was going to say, its not OUR parks anymore, its THEIR parks now, and THEY run things based on the cost-benefit analysis, not on "what the people want analysis"

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SageTree

If you're going to 'trespass' and there aren't any rangers on duty to catch you.....?????

Nothing pisses me off more than 'private' land.

That is one thing I LOVED about living in British Columbia.... you could basically walk ANYWHERE you wanted, do nearly anything you wanted (unless there was a burn ban on) and no one gave a damn.

Now I'm back east... and there are fences EVERYWHERE.....

You dollars are still paying for the roads and maintenance in the parks... mid as well use them and damn the fines.

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We could start by making a change to how the Treasury does business. In order for the government to borrow money, they have to sell treasury bonds. The vast majority of these are bought by the Federal reserve. However, the Treasury doesn't just sell them directly to the Fed (and other parties). The sales are brokered by Primary Dealers, large banks like Goldman, Citigroup and BofA, who receive a commission for every sale. That's right, every time the national debt goes up, large banks get a commission. If you want to save a hundred billion or so every year, have the Treasury broker it's own bonds.

Second, how about scaling back the military. We shouldn't be wasting money and killing kids fighting a losing battle in maintaining global dominance. End these wars, get us out of foreign countries, and focus on the military within our own borders. Kids join the military because they believe in their country, let their country reward them by limiting the fights to actual defense of that country, and not ExxonMobil's profits.

Third, let's get government out of the corporate favors game by ending all corporate welfare. The economy grows and is made strong by honest competition. A company that deserves to stay in business doesn't need handouts from the government.

Fourth, let's abolish the DEA, the FDA, and all other organizations involved in controlling the flow and sale of drugs. Private corporations like UL have vouched for the quality of electronic and other goods for years. A similar organization could be quite profitable vouching for the safety of new pharms, and we wouldn't have to all pay for an organization that impedes the flow of lifesaving medicines to the general public for years. As for the DEA, well, I don't have to say anything there.

How's that for a start?



The Rev

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I don't think you'd be as happy as you think with no FDA...

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no_limit1

watch parts 1-4 and this guy explains what needs to be done. this guy amazes me. he's 90 years old and still has the head and witts of a 30 year old. impressive!

Roach

lol @ alex jones


better to link to ron paul.

at least ron hasn't been labeled a complete head case ...yet.

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Roach

Rev,

you do realize that those systems have to fail miserably before anything will be changed.

I don't see anything good coming out of the American Corporation, because that's what it is. A nation controlled by business, not the people.
But like many have suggested...and history has proven, nations/governments/politicians that refuse to evolve, open themselves up to revolution.

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SageTree

LaRouche ..... didn't he get convicted of credit card fraud?


In Boston I talked to a Rouche-douche and ended up giving the person my phone number, because at the time I had no idea about what he was about or anything.....

So 6 months later I had pretty much been called everyday, during that time, by a rep trying to talk to me about getting a movement going on it my area, since there wasn't one.

I must have been the first person to give them my number.

They called me at work and I said... 'I can talk I'm at work'.... everyday and gave them a better time to call, only to get a call the next day at the same time...

WTF..... the person eventually ended up shouting at me on the phone and told me I was wasting their time....

oooooo k....?


That'll be the bias or grudge I hold against the man forever!

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The Rev

I realize quite clearly, actually. I was just using those examples to illustrate how fucked up the system is. Our "leaders" fight over cutting benefits to teachers and firefighters while no one dares mention the billions we basically gift to banks every year, etc.



The Rev

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mothernature

Rev, I have to say the first 3 are very good, imo. I would rather see the government in charge of testing the safety of things. In an honest, people oriented way, of course. Imagine what would happen if UL decided one day to sell out for the money.

Lyndon LaRouche is rather hard to take seriously. He does have some good points, but he doesn't remember things like I remember things. I do like how he says the bank bail out was paying off gambling debts.

It's hard to believe this is a global conspiracy that has been going on for years and years. In this I mean that "they" already have a large share of the wealth. They already have enough to buy anything that the world produces, own any "treasures" they choose. If this was a long term plan, the US (the people) would have never been allowed to prosper to the extent it has.

Well then, what about the issue of corporate welfare. If we treat these corporations as the businesses that they are, they will take the jobs to an underdeveloped country. Unemployment, blah, blah blah.

It is a complex issue. That's for sure.

How do you all feel about nationalizing things. Ya know, basically just taking it and saying, sorry. The US wouldn't be very popular for doing so, but we aren't popular anyway.

I think the way we view banks and money needs to separated from the way we view our government. To be in business lending money you don't have, with no responsibility what-so-ever is quite an insane thing to participate in.

I'd like to see more personal responsibility also.

The Rev

Then they would lose their reputation, and be liable for damages or harm caused by their fraud.

The reason corporations are a problem in this country isn't really attributable to greed. Everyone is greedy. However, when a court ruling says that the owners of business can be shielded from culpability behind their corporations "personhood", then you have an incentive to act criminally because there is no accountablity. Imagine if we rescinded that law, and made the owners of corporations criminally liable for the actions of the company they own...

First, no one would invest in shady corporations, because buying shares would make you liable for what they did. This would lead to a massive divestment of such companies, leaving them vulnerable to hostile takeover by stronger, more responsible companies whose owners have nothing to fear. The assets of the shit corporations get bought up by the good ones, and, voila, the corporate landscape is a much more reasonable place with respect to everything from fraud, to environmental compliance, to employee benefits.

Greed, in such a case, would drive companies to maximize profits, as usual, but investor confidence, and therefore support, would be driven by fear of prosecution as much as desire to get rich. Responsibility for what you own would keep corporate greed in check, just like responsibility for people getting hurt in your home makes you put up a fence around your pool so the neighbor's kid doesn't sneak in and get hurt.

The real problem of corporate greed is not greed per se, but one of hiding behind the government.



The Rev

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mothernature

Yes, I have to agree with you.

We all are greedy in some ways I guess. It seems that maybe our society needs to recognize that overly greedy is not healthy and if a person goes that route, there could be severe consequences. Personal responsibility again.

On the other hand, would you want to buy stock in any corporation, knowing you could lose your home because of a bad decision made by someone else?

It could work though, if the loopholes are sewed up well.