John F. Kerry

This is quite possibly the most funny out-of-touch article Ive ever read. But it goes right to my point that to understand people who you might totally disagree with you have to read their articles.

A bad time for Obama?s approval dip - The Hill's Ballot Box


so since Obama invited gop leaders to a speech, then kicked them square in the nuts for everyone to see, and since that, his poll numbers among independents have been nosediving- to the lowest of this year.

So obviously, and espeically based on our conversations on here, and talking to people on other forums. It would be obvious to me, that the dip in the polls is because of his confrontational tone- the fact that independents dont want him to fight for uber liberal causes and throw the gop under the bus and ruin any chance of compromise to appease ultra liberal donors in california.

But, apparently, the liberals out there (or at least obamas circle) have come up with a completely different explanation- HIGH GAS PRICES-




ok, now its one thing to say that high gas prices will piss people off- thats probably fair enough.... but to sit there and watch your poll numbers that had been steady or slowly rising ever since you compromised with republicans last year.... and now, a day or 2 after your huge campaign kick off reelection attack the gop speech, to watch your numbers drop 10 points- how can u POSSIBLY NOT think that your speech is to blame, and that people just all of a sudden started hating you because gas was up 50 cents? thats so ridiculous and its stupid to the point that i wonder if even the people who say that believe it.

I think obamas liberal advisers are just trying to trick him, or something, into supporting their clearly unpopular attack positions against the gop. Obama got so much credit from republicans for compromising last year- his numbers were going up, people were starting to look at him as commander in cheif again- and what does he do? he goes out and attacks half the people in our country, and attacks the basic ideas behind the biggest popular movement since obamas own campaign for america in 2008, the tea party.


high gas prices? lol.
but read this article and it will help u see how they get to that idea.

its crazy, but illustrative.


thoughts?

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Captain Cannabis

you do realize that there is no difference between democrat and republican right?

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Mafoo

quick straw poll of my facebook and i agree that people are blaming the government for the gas prices. obama = the government, according to most.

id say, because my opion carries alot of weight in politics , its a combination of tax season and high gas prices coupled with the weak ass dollar.

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John F. Kerry

you really dont see any correlation between his speech attacking republicans and his approval rating going down mafoo?

why would it drop so suddenly after staying steady and not changing barely at all for months and months...

hey, your, and my, opinion matter a shitload more than u might think. its amazing how much "common sense" ends up being right, or at least illustrative.

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Grieves

obama is slipping in the "polls" because the public faith in the economy is down, prices of everything (not just gas) are up across the board forcing the "mood" to be the worst it has been since he took office not to mention that there is an overwhelming feeling across the nation between what is left of the middle class and lower that we are headed to default by hyperinflation or complete government failure...

it has everything to do with the big picture and the lack of faith of anyone in anyone and nothing to do with the day to day appearances one person makes...

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John F. Kerry

well at the very least then u can agree its a rejection of his policies. i guess well have to see if the republicans can make the case that i believe is there that would be like when reagan took over and the hostages were released immediately - as soon as one wins, even before taking office, ill bet it would change things overnight. now, im sorry, i gave obama many chances, and the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions. I liked him personally for a long time. But this recent shit has made me have much less warm feeling about obama- to see him totally chew up paul ryan like some kind of joke when ryan is a small congressman from wisconsin and obama is the fucking president...it makes him look like a small fool, and also a total approaching-scary-level idiot.... because we are losing credibility worldwide because of people looking at obama and his crazy demagoging utopian bs state funded by debt...like hes just all over the place and you cant ever tell whether hes gonna destroy capitalism or have lunch with bill gates... but then kick bill gates in the teeth the next week... you seem to be rejecting his policies.... i think repubs deserve a chance... the tea party are not warmongers, which is basically the main problem many moderates had with republicans during the bush years. the tea party and current gop ideology is hands off, pro business and pro economy and main street and jobs and wealth growing again, and not skitzoid like obama going back and forth in his positions depending on which coast hes eating dinner on.

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Tell me of one person who put in the same situation at the same time in history would do anything differently, themselves...

Remember that it isn't the captain who sinks the ship, he's just the one who sinks with it...

This shit reminds me so much of the real accounts of the sinking of the titanic that it is sicking, We have hit the iceburg(financial crisis), everyone is running around trying to say that everything is okay
(denial), even if the shit sinks(default) we have enough life rafts (belief in the economy) that everyone will be saved (america will pull through)...Call me a skeptic but just as the people needed to say that the ship wasn't going down to qualm the chaos, the same is happening now, all the super rich are cashing out, and the rest are going to be left holding the bill and to take accountability for their theft(s)...

Get the idea that Obama is to blame out of your head...

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John F. Kerry

because i think his actions and words have exacerbated it-

i mean shit-. 1 month into the libyan crisis and more than half of people disapprove of obamas actions there, even tho half approved of it last month - obama is basically flip flopping over and over. and i mean i hate to say it but it would almost have been better for him to just stay an uber liberal than to do this vasillating shit- to quote tony soprano - more is lost thru indecision than bad decision - now that might be a bit of an exaggeration - but what has happened over the last 2 years has been pretty horrible... its like the party in power until last nov that was throwing eggs at business and calling everybody who hires other people greedy bastard fatcats... and now they are comming back...^womans shriek.... good lord, our great country could take 2 years of it, but i dont know about 2 full more.

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because polls are all about who asked it and how they asked it. imo, polls have no bearing on reality....ever

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The Rev

High gas prices, as all instances of inflation, ARE the fault of the government. If it weren't for the "we still got paper so keep printing" approach to monetary policy the Fed is demonstrating, we wouldn't have the problems with fuel and food prices we're seeing now.



The Rev

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hes the best of a bad bunch

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stoneric

By "uber liberal causes", do you mean social security, medicare and medicaid? Where do the "uber conservatives" cash their government checks?

stoneric

Nothing fishy about that.

John F. Kerry

^ well it was planned, but it gets to the point of what im saying... why was it that they just snubbed carter but then released em as soon as reagan was president? its probably something to do with personality, but probably also had to do with a fear by the ayatollah that the harder line of the gop would mean serious consequences damn soon if they didnt release them, unlike when carter was in and they just laughed at him and stuck the hostages in his face every day.


as much as trump is kinda a joke. he is also saying a lot of things that a lot of people agree with. we need to take a much stronger position on china- look at the last 20 years- who has benefited from the china- america relationship? well, chinas per capita income has tripled and ours has gone down.... so.... duh... i can tell u who has benefited.

im not saying we should become isolationist...but since people around the world recognize america as having a lot of unique properties- like freedom, and openness, and not as much entrenched corruption in business as in many other places (ie. in china you basically have to bribe the various government agencies to get a permit to do anything..., its like a gangster run economy). so im not saying stop having a relationship with them- but have a smart president like trump (not necessarily him) that can come to the business summit with full knowledge of the bs the chinese are doing, and with a full toolkit of ideas for how to compel them to level the playing field and make it more fair.

no one can say that china hasnt benefited enormously from its relationship with the us. and people all over the world still want to do business here even tho the costs are higher than in other places. its becase they can feel safe knowing that the us is not going to turn around tommorow and do some crazy communist party takeover of the economy, or jail people for giving up state secrets because they offended the party bosses cousin or uncle.... so someone (like) trump, a pro business, smart business person, can go in and take care of this shit.... he can leverage the fact that our society has a lot of unique things that others dont, and use that to get us more favorable terms to do business with other nations. china has been raping us, and their people are being lifted out of poverty in the process- they dont have another huge country like us to do that for them- so we have tons of leverage on them, at least to make them act more fair and balanced towards us.... but we dont, and obama has state dinners with hu while hu is raping us from the back room.

we need a president who is gonna act like hes the president of america, and who has experience and knowledge of how to run a company, or a government....becaus e obamas inexperience and academic aura has not worked all that well... and i dont see it working a whole lot better in his second term- it might even be disastorous because he wants to expand the wellfare state at a time when we cant even come close to affording our current promises. i just read something that was like "america borrowed 3.7 billion dollars last thursday, the most recent day data availible".... and it talked about how 40% of every dollar we spend is borrowed, with interest. and that the federal government spends 8 to 10 billion a day, but actually only has 5 to 6 bililon to spend because the rest goes to interest payments. whoever got us into this mess, certainly not only blaming obama, but bush as well.... clearly didnt know what the fuck they were doing, and obama only seems to be doubling down on these same failed ideas.

the price of gold and silver are skyrocketing to never before seen levels because people around the world are laughing about how stupid our monetary policy is. but its like a wave...if we change the facts of what were doing, the wave could turn around and go the other way.... but its like obama just doesnt understand that.... even tho he saw things get better when he compromised, now hes in political mode and doesnt seem to care about the economy, even tho that will probably determine whether he is reelected. hes trying to balance so many things and imo doing a pretty shitty job of it. certainly an ineffective job of it..... lol sorry for so much writing i guess i better stop now. if any part of that piques your curiosity feel free to disregard the rest


...ps cool link ego, i didnt want to make another post right away, but that poll thingy is pretty noice.

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Ego Tripping

Play with this tool for a while and you will see there's absolutely no significance or relevance (especially in the overall big picture of a Presidency and their performance) with this or any other "dip" in the polls:

Presidential Job Approval Center

Make sure to use the "Compare Presidents' for some very enlightening trends. Reagan at this point in his Presidency was at 37% approval and then rose steadily into his second term.

j-wonderbread, get off the 60/60/24/7/4/12 news cycle. Nothing you post is even remotely relevant to what actually manifests in reality.

Oh, and Obama is winning a second term, too everyone knows that by now (just some can't really accept it yet), so just strap in the same way everyone else did when GWB stole his second term.

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stoneric

Or maybe the ayatollah thought that a senile president, who could hide his own easter eggs, didn't have the mental capacity to figue out that the hostages were dead with any kind of military action. Whereas with Carter they knew they were dealing with someone who could rub his belly and pat his head at the same time and understand that sometimes it was wiser to save lives than to give into some idiotic cowboy mentality.

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Yeah, when a single Coke that was .99 a year ago is now $1.65. . .

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wellfleation

Dude, your republican heroes are a group clowns. A real joke. You should be embarrassed for them. No one is going to vote for them either. So you will need to obsess about Obama for 6 more years.
Really now?

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