John F. Kerry

Gay donors fuel President Obama's 2012 campaign - Ben Smith and Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com


well... its looking like for this campaign, obama is turnin to the gays.




....ok i wont even get into what i think about this, because i dont want to offend people...

but just remember when he had acorn and the code pink and move on people supporting him in 08- what did we get from that? well he spend 4 years bitching about fat cats and class warfare...as our ship was taking on more and more water...and only bin ladens death managed to make people forget briefly how shitty things were looking under his direction.


... now, its 2012 season... and obamas wall street supporters are, not supporting him anymore, because they feel he did a shit job on the economy,


obamas dovish supporters, are not supporting him anymore, because he adopted more pro-gop policies regarding terrorists and wars, than even a gop person might have.


and so that leaves, the homosexual demographic.


now, whatever your feelings about gay people.... the idea that obama is going to have to spend his 2nd term paying back gay people for their votes and donations.... and clinton is already pitching a gay marriage law in ny state.... and the liberals seem to have latched onto this issue (for some totally incomprehensible and wrong reason) as one that more moderate people can be bludgeoned into supporting by playing on their pity and sadness cards.

I see that obama has to get money from someone- and his more normal groups of support like trial lawyers and wall street hedge fund managers have forsaken him, so he really has no choice but to get the proud of dont ask repeal folks to fund him- but then hes going to have to spend his entire 2nd term fighting their fight, which is at best a marginal fringe wedge issue. but just like obamacare, after he wins, it will suddenly be "the most important issue in our country to treat every man and woman fairly regardless of who they chose to love" i could write obamas bs speech for him....

i wish campaigns were funded by the government. we need campaign finance reform so badly. the idea that a small fringe group can buy a president, and force him to plug their agenda to the detriment and to the exclusion of so many far more important issues makes me seriously worried.

obama cant find bin laden again. whats he gonna do the next time his approval ratings go to 38% ?


thoughts?

ill try to put this in terms that you guys might be able to appreciate better. do u really think gay rights are the most important thing for our society to grapple with right now? sure i could make a sob story campaign ad about tyler clementi and how "no one should have to grow up fearing or being stigmatized for his sexual orientation, blah blah cry me a river..." but as important as that is, and as empathetic as i am with that kind of argument...... i recognize that many many people dont agree with those kinds of ideas... and that its far more important for us to be united and adopt policies on things such as healthcare and taxes that will cause our economy to rebound and the ship to right itself.... and a huge passel of gay rights supporters and the political capital they demand obama repay after reeelection is going to be nothing but a big protracted angry loud bitter back and forth wedge issue partisan fight....and i can predict this now.... so the idea that we are intentionally going down that road, seems to me madness.

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stoneric

What a fucking leap.

Grieves

that said with complete forgiveness/ignorance of the bush admin being a tool for Cheney and haliburton to become the biggest government contractor, etc, j is a blind idiot, etc, making up bullshit again, etc....

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John F. Kerry

how about we actually support campaign finance reform (like candidate obama did before he became president obama) that way, instead of being able to use the last democrat or last republican's bulshit actions as an excuse for the next candidate of the other parties same bulshit, that instead we just dont have that happen anymore. If people who reach a certain threshhold level of support are given taxpayer funded money to spend on campaigning- and all private donations are prohibited (except maybe for small individual donations, non business donations) then it would eliminate both the ability of these fringe groups from either party to buy influence, and also eliminate the need for the new president to feel that he must act on those fringe policies that the donors want him to act on.... it would make the parties less beholden to corporate interests, and make the corporate interests expect that they shouldnt expect a completely one sided either pro- or anti stance based on whether they are on the right side of the politics of the issue from that president while hes in office. It would enable presidents to take more moderate positions, and give them cover to do so- because it would be all of us that they are standing up for (and all of us, as taxpayers, that funded their candidacy), instead of some small or fringe group that wants the new president to govern the country specifically for their (not the wider) benefit, and feel betrayed if he acts like he governs everyone instead of just blindly following whatever they personally wanted.

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lol

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stoneric

I don't understand why you feel obomba will feel ogligated to the gay agenda if re-elected even though you say he has lost all his other support because he didn't follow their particular agenda after he was elected to his first term.

Grieves

Just cause your pissed you or people you knew fell for Obama's "oooh baby ooooh baby ima change everything baby, you just let me inside that cabinet america, everything will be all right" routine, doesn't mean that he is the one that is responsible for doing anything for anyone...

He's the fucking president, the only thing he is worried about is convincing enough people to buy his act for another 2 years and vote him in to office again...You(j) act that everyone who calls them self a republican is exempt from accountiblity for any of their actions, but the fucking liberals and obama is responsible for everything that has ever or will ever go wrong in this country....Its as if you think that one is only allowed to have vested interests if they sit on your side of the fence...

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JackReefer

That made me lol.

My opinion? Politicians are liars, and CANNOT be trusted. Period.

Doesn't matter if they're republican or democrat, they all turn their backs on on their heavily preached ideals once they're in a position of power. And then they will sink back down and be all "Hey remember when I said I was gonna make everything better? I didn't have time, give me another go."

But can you blame them? Seriously? Put yourself in their shoes and realize the second you try to fix one thing, another will spring up as a result.

Bankers Screw America? Screw the Bankers. Suddenly you have a bunch of pissed off Bankers with all the funding you need.

Homosexuals want their god given rights? Try to give it to them and have fundies burn your house down.

Ignore them and be seen as unsympathetic to the plight of human beings wanting human rights.

Knocked up ladies wanna be less knocked up? Let them abort and have fundies burn your new house down and piss on the ashes.

A New war sparks up in the (Gasp!) Middle East? Authorize some sort of action, and then be seen as a war monger, Ignore them? Be seen as unsympathetic to the burning babies.

I'm no politician and lately I've been trying to distance myself from the whole thing to just have some peace of mind. But I know a raw deal when I see one.

I know a problem with absolutely no solution when I see one. Nothing works when you're trying to please everyone which is what democracy is founded on.


The ideal of Democracy is that the people control their fate, they want this, they vote for it. The Majority gets what it wants and the minority can like it or leave it, but the problem is that the minority won't shut the fuck up about it.

zerodown

Welcome to democracy, the farm in which you are the livestock.

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