time for more ham handed mid east diplomacy from dear leader - Page 3

**SageTree** · 05-26-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mothernature

What's wrong with going to the UN? Isn't that how Israel became a country in the first place?

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Originally Posted by zerodown

Israel got its land through the balfour declaration, not through the UN.

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Originally Posted by zerodown

Me? I owe her everything. Everything comes from her or lands on her.

Talking about this Mothernature

zerodown · 05-26-2011, 07:50 AM

But... but... but the UN didn't decide anything, they didn't have any authority to decide not to pay the IOU, they were just the cashier that took the reciept and evicted the Palestinians from their lands. Also provable by the fact that without the declaration, the UN wouldn't have had the authority to grant them the land either.

I apologize either way I guess.

**SageTree** · 05-26-2011, 08:06 AM

Well, she did make the declarative as much of a question as she could... so I thought she left some leeway in there for someone to sharpen the UN role and present some other facts

I understand why they were THE people responsible for it. But a 'bill' without enforcement is as good and non-existent.

zerodown · 05-26-2011, 08:35 AM

hypothetically speaking yes, but they had to enforce the bill, they had no option. It was an IOU, not an IWDL(i will decide later).

remember this was not a bill, it was a declaration. It was a contract.

**SageTree** · 05-26-2011, 08:55 AM

Yes... hence 'bill' :P

and not bill.....

SO YES the UN had something to do with the creation of Israel.
That is all I'm saying. They didn't instigate it, but they did orchestrate it.

zerodown · 05-26-2011, 09:28 AM

Ah yes they were involved.

**SageTree** · 05-26-2011, 09:38 AM

OK. I'm leaving the dead horse rest in peace now.

Terry · 05-26-2011, 10:05 AM

YouTube - ‪This Palestinian Life Part One‬‏

YouTube - ‪Checkpoint Part 1‬‏

Whiny Palestinians don't know how great they got it..

**SageTree** · 05-26-2011, 10:30 AM

Terry... you're tongue is so far in your cheek I thought you'd never had one there for a second.

Thanks for the vids.

John F. Kerry · 05-26-2011, 11:43 AM

good vids , terry, i ve seen checkpoint before. a tad sensationalist so here is some actual reality shit... have a watch....this is the way normal people not the hamas and islamic jihad guys who just "happen to be innocently chilling near the border with weapons and kalisnikovs"... and watch how the regular people are treated by other regular people. a bit more textured.

stoneric · 05-26-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

good comments stoneric. I expected and hoped you would help with the counter argument and you usually dont fail to deliver.

interesting link. when netanyahu said in his speech that the .5% of the worlds arabs who live in israel have the freest lives and the most genuine democracy of any arab....i thought it was pretty astounding to think about that but , equally astounding, its true.

and here is says that 82% of israeli arabs are happy with their current situations.

i know the arabs dont like to think about it this way, but their brethren under the "yoke" of israel actually have better rights than those granted to their fellow arabs in other countries....pretty amazing.

My comment about how Jews are treated in Iran was in response to you again trying to distort ahmadinajad's statement about the israeli regime. I was only comparing the treatment of Jews in Iran and Arabs in israel relative to the society they live in. I would expect a supposed democratic society to treat the overall population better than a theocratic shithole. But please don't tell me that Arabs have the same rights as Jews and are treated as complete equals. It's like your earlier dismay about the isralis not getting credit for not simply annihilating the Palistinians like we did the Indians.

farmergiles · 05-26-2011, 02:17 PM

On the flip side of the coin, as far as I'm aware the Jews who live in Palestine outside the state of Israel suffer the same privations as Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Druzes.

**mothernature** · 05-26-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zerodown

Me? I owe her everything.

We can set up a payment plan

**mothernature** · 05-26-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by farmergiles

On the flip side of the coin, as far as I'm aware the Jews who live in Palestine outside the state of Israel suffer the same privations as Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Druzes.

Good point.

zerodown · 05-30-2011, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

good vids , terry, i ve seen checkpoint before. a tad sensationalist so here is some actual reality shit... have a watch....this is the way normal people not the hamas and islamic jihad guys who just "happen to be innocently chilling near the border with weapons and kalisnikovs"... and watch how the regular people are treated by other regular people. a bit more textured.

Thats heartbreaking, but they only show people who did good(I smell propaganda already), where are the ones who didn't? If its reality, show everything, not just the good ones. I'd like to see the reaction of the ones who sided with the seller.

Not saying this is bad, or bullshit, just saying, it ain't all of it, so its not actual reality shit, its partial reality shit.

Terry · 05-30-2011, 03:19 PM

Racism is much more insidious than how those vids make it seem. No one was accusing average Israelis of open prejudice, rather the government that practices racism and oppression on a geopolitical scale.

05-26-2011, 07:50 AM	#42 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	But... but... but the UN didn't decide anything, they didn't have any authority to decide not to pay the IOU, they were just the cashier that took the reciept and evicted the Palestinians from their lands. Also provable by the fact that without the declaration, the UN wouldn't have had the authority to grant them the land either. I apologize either way I guess. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

05-26-2011, 08:06 AM	#43 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	Well, she did make the declarative as much of a question as she could... so I thought she left some leeway in there for someone to sharpen the UN role and present some other facts I understand why they were THE people responsible for it. But a 'bill' without enforcement is as good and non-existent. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

05-26-2011, 08:35 AM	#44 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	hypothetically speaking yes, but they had to enforce the bill, they had no option. It was an IOU, not an IWDL(i will decide later). remember this was not a bill, it was a declaration. It was a contract. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

05-26-2011, 08:55 AM	#45 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	Yes... hence 'bill' :P and not bill..... SO YES the UN had something to do with the creation of Israel. That is all I'm saying. They didn't instigate it, but they did orchestrate it. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

05-26-2011, 09:28 AM	#46 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	Ah yes they were involved. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

05-26-2011, 09:38 AM	#47 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	OK. I'm leaving the dead horse rest in peace now. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

05-26-2011, 10:30 AM	#49 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	Terry... you're tongue is so far in your cheek I thought you'd never had one there for a second. Thanks for the vids. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

05-26-2011, 02:17 PM	#52 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	On the flip side of the coin, as far as I'm aware the Jews who live in Palestine outside the state of Israel suffer the same privations as Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Druzes. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-30-2011, 03:19 PM	#56 (permalink)
Terry Hello Darkness Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 8,539 Thanks: 2,130 Thanked 2,392 Times in 1,189 Posts	Racism is much more insidious than how those vids make it seem. No one was accusing average Israelis of open prejudice, rather the government that practices racism and oppression on a geopolitical scale. __________________ I don't know but I've been told, If you never die you'll never grow old

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