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Old 05-21-2011, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i blame the leaders for wasting money on defense and the war on drugs.

i blame the leaders and the people for refusing to accept responsibility, and wanting it all without paying for it (aka greece)
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bush is the one who after 20 years of lobbying, passed new legislation stating that middle class credit holders could no longer file traditional bankruptcy, but instead, were enslaved to pay off every penny till they were dead, unlike corporation who skate free/ no laws were changed.
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For that graph to be accurate you would need to show who the vested interests were that benefited from those presidencies, they are the ones to blame...Them and congress of course....
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Strong corporate profits amid weak economy - What's up with that?
U.S. corporations continue to post strong profits quarter after quarter, even as the unemployment rate remains high and the U.S. economic recovery plods along in fits and starts. What gives?

Corporate profits grew 36.8 percent in 2010, the biggest gain since 1950, according to Friday's latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. No sign could be more clear that U.S. companies see the so-called Great Recession in the rearview mirror.

The strong profits, however, mask the continued difficult terrain for businesses. Yes, profits are high, but that doesn't mean business is strong. Read more:


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Tax Time? Not for Giant Corporations
Release: March 27, 2011
While hard working Americans fill out their income tax returns this tax season, General Electric and other giant profitable corporations are avoiding U.S. taxes altogether.

10 worst corporate income tax avoiders.

1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.

Corporate Welfare Rats - 03/21/09

Government waste of tax dollars equals $1 Trillion a year
Oil companies are getting a nice deal too. The country hands them more than $2 billion a year in tax breaks.

Hedge fund and private equity managers. Many of these moguls make vast "incomes" yet pay taxes on a portion of those earnings at the paltry 15 percent capital gains rate. By some estimates, this loophole costs taxpayers more than $2.5 billion a year.

Citizens for Tax Justice estimates that corporations reap more than $123 billion a year in special tax breaks.

Department of Defense's functions, including weapons procurement, have been deemed high risk by the GAO. That means there's a high probability that money - "tens of billions," according to Walker - will go missing or be otherwise wasted. Meanwhile, the Pentagon admits it simply can't account for more than $1 trillion.

The controversial U.S. farm subsidy program, part of which pays farmers not to grow crops, has become a giant welfare program for the rich, one that cost taxpayers nearly $20 billion last year.

National debt requires more government efficiency, not sweeping cuts

Welfare programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid account for $1.5 trillion. The problem is, making cuts to these programs would affect millions of Americans. A better option would be to reduce benefits for the wealthiest retirees.

Increasing revenue will easily reduce the deficit. One way to do this is to get rid of the Bush-era tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans.

Defense spending also accounts for a huge part of the federal budget. In the president's proposed budget, security spending totals $881 billion. $100 billion (waste, fraud, unnecessary weapons)

The Federal Reserve and other holdings within the government own more than $5 trillion of the federal debt.

The New York Times reported that the government loses $1 trillion a year because of income tax loopholes

What we should avoid is cutting spending on education and other programs that promote a better future for the United States. If we allow government to slash spending on everything that's costing money, we won't be any better off than we are now.

Bottom line, the federal government is inefficient.



CEO pay soars while workers' pay stalls
The heads of the nation’s top companies got the biggest raises in recent memory last year after taking a hiatus during the recession.

Most Gluttonous
Company....Viacom... ......Occidental Petroleum

Executive....P. Dauman.........Ray Irani
Salary.........$2,62 5,000.......$1,191,6 67
Bonus.........$11,25 0,000.....$32,975,00 0
Stock &.......$70,453,309.. ...$40,250,000
options
Total...........$84, 469,515.....$76,107, 010
Chg from '09.......148.6%.... .142.4%
Stock return..........30.3 %......22.7%


2010 CEO pay chart, sorted by total

Compensation for corporate directors is rising sharply, a USA TODAY analysis of early 2011 proxy filings finds. Behind the gains: higher cash retainers, fees and rising values of stock and stock option grants.



Just the facts, please: Stock performance under Clinton, Bush, and Obama

According to most right-wing pundits, President Obama represents the demon seed of socialism. Just today, for example, Rep. Michele Bachmann said he's intentionally making Americans poorer.

But let's put aside all the hot air and just look at the facts. Based on this chart of stock market performance under Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama, can you figure out which adminstration had the anti-growth record?



More jobs, more calls for spending cuts
The unemployment rate continued its very slow, very welcome decline last month, falling another tenth of a percentage point to 8.8 percent. Which is still high. Better news is that the economy added 230,000 private sector jobs. That's enough to keep up with normal population growth and add back a very few of the millions lost in the Great Recession.

Right on cue, House Speaker John Boehner lobbied his call for cuts in government spending. But here's the thing: Government spending is part of economic growth. It becomes particularly important in bad times. We're way, way, way not out of this yet.

Putting An End To Corporate Welfare?
Speaker of the House John Boehner wants to cut at least $100 billion from the federal budget. President Obama agrees that there should be some spending reductions, but the budget shouldn`t be balanced on the backs of poor and working-class Americans. There is a way that both camps can have their way - end corporate welfare.

According to the Cato Institute, a liberatarian policy group in Washington, corporate welfare cost American taxpayers $92 billion in fiscal 2006, a figure that has grown to approximately $125 billion per year. And the beneficiaries include such major companies as Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical and General Electric.

The Corporate Muzzle

Corporate Welfare Rats



Steven Chu On The 'Very Hard' Decision To Cut Energy Assistance For Poor Households

Gov. Rick Scott orders immediate cuts to programs for disabled

School District Prepares to Lay Off Nearly Half of Central Office Staff

A List of George Bush's Major Accomplishments
Boosted corporate profitability through the introduction of the best corporate welfare programs in the history of the world.

Kept thousands of very rich people off welfare roles by providing them the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Increased corporate profitability and efficiency while simultaneously helping third-world economies by outsourcing millions of US jobs overseas.

Saved billions of tax dollars by cutting programs for poor, children and needy.

Increased corporate bottom line profits by limiting lawsuits and placing a cap on judgements against corporations.

Saved billions of tax dollars by cutting over 40 Federal educational programs.

Help Taxpayers -- Take Big Oil Off Welfare

Military Spending Scandal -- The Department of Waste

Government Fails to Collect Public Revenue

World's Biggest Corporation is a Welfare Queen
Wal-Mart Has Received More Than $1 Billion in Economic Development Subsidies

Corporate Welfare Search Engine!



TODAY'S TOPICS: NAFTA Lie

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"The food crisis is not about needing more food. We have plenty of food for everyone on the planet twice over at least...it is a hunger crisis brought on by POVERTY. We do not have a food problem, we have a hunger problem. That poverty is CREATED by multinational corporations (no more than a dozen) who control 80-90% of the GRAIN production. They are not growing food "for people", they are growing food for the greatest amount of profit they can accumulate!"
-- Urmas Kaldveer, Ph.D.

The Future of Social Security for This Generation and the Next Cato Institute
I have divided my testimony on corporate welfare into 7 observations about the economic and political state of affairs regarding corporate welfare. Then at the end of my testimony I provide 6 recommendations regarding how Congress can reduce the size of the corporate welfare state.



Money Spent on the War On Drugs this Year DrugSense

The U.S. federal government spent over $15 billion dollars in 2010 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $500 per second.
Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy

State and local governments spent at least another 25 billion dollars.
Source: Jeffrey A. Miron & Kathrine Waldock

Arrests for drug law violations this year are expected to exceed the 1,663,582 arrests of 2009. Law enforcement made more arrests for drug abuse violations (an estimated 1.6 million arrests, or 13.0 percent of the total number of arrests) than for any other offense in 2009. Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 19 seconds.
Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation

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If you look at what you earn, and where it all goes, it's pretty easy to see the game in action. First, it's more than half to the various governments (state, fed and local). Then, from what's left over, it's more than 1/2 to the bank (mortgage, car loan, credit cards). What's left, you get to eat, pay your bills, and, if there's any more after that, have a little fun.

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In the United States, the political system is a very marginal affair. There are two parties, so-called, but they're really factions of the same party, the Business Party. Both represent some range of business interests. In fact, they can change their positions 180 degrees, and nobody even notices. In the 1984 election, for example, there was actually an issue, which often there isn't. The issue was Keynesian growth versus fiscal conservatism. The Republicans were the party of Keynesian growth: big spending, deficits, and so on. The Democrats were the party of fiscal conservatism: watch the money supply, worry about the deficits, et cetera. Now, I didn't see a single comment pointing out that the two parties had completely reversed their traditional positions. Traditionally, the Democrats are the party of Keynesian growth, and the Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism. So doesn't it strike you that something must have happened? Well, actually, it makes sense. Both parties are essentially the same party. The only question is how coalitions of investors have shifted around on tactical issues now and then. As they do, the parties shift to opposite positions, within a narrow spectrum.
Noam Chomsky said that better than I ever could.
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When the fuck are you going to grow up an realise that there exists only one party in your country? And don't bother replying with a billion line image ridden post. I don't care about your crazy attempts to outline one half as the problem, as the only problem.

Noam Chomsky said that better than I ever could.
When the fuck are you going to learn how to read and stop spewing unsubstantiated cheers for the trickle down clowns? For a foreign troll you're pretty gullible. I've just posted where the greed lies and its with neither "party", its the GOPerverts, the Neocons Predominantly the Boosh GOP you kiss ass over. If JFQ gets no respect as an American troll how much do you think I give you as a foreign troll? You know nothing know nothing. Stop disrupting the adults conversation your little moneyslut mind can't grasp. Noam Chomsky could fart and say more than you ever did troll. Don't bother telling me anything especially in the form of an whiny plea. I thought we had that clear, you're a troll and I don't believe a word you spew, even if you had references and even if I and others haven't already posted where the money went. Stay in denial but don't address me with your foolish ass kissing gibberish. The Koch roaches have bastardized the GOP into two representatives, Paul and Johnson. Neither of which act any different than Liberaltarians. The GOPerverts are to blame and weasels like you only divert attention from them. It's fascism stupid. Now when you reach 30 and haven't burned out on that foreign schwagg maybe we'll let you sit at the adult table. Til then you're just a Punk.

Show us the democrat equivilant of Koch or ALEC or the Heratage War Brokers or Pat Robotson or Boosh Cheney Rumsfeld corporate connections to war profiteering. Got gossip is all ya got boy!

Koch Roaches A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers

Heston died, NRA's Mandatory Minimum Didn't

How can the Koch's be against prohibition when they profit so many ways on prohibition? Oh they don't. They just say what you want to hear.

Demonstrations, Protests and Videos about ALEC, KOCH
Immigrant detention and private prisons...Wed May 18, 2011
Today many have had their eyes opened regarding the huge profits made off of what is commonly called the "Prison Industrial Complex." Suddenly awareness has turned from disbelief to anger as taxpayers realize the screwing private prison companies, their lobbyists and elected Legislators have been giving them for more than three decades now. full story

Lawrence O'Donnell Exposes ALEC
Last night, People For’s Andrew Gillum went on the Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss PFAW Foundation's new report on ALEC, the group that helps corporate donors get legislation they like placed in statehouses.

YouTube - ‪CCA Shareholder Mtg ?*May 12, 201‬‏

Shut Down Abusive Drug Detention Centers DWR
This week, the World Medical Association and the International Federation of Health and Human Rights Organisations have called for compulsory drug detention centers to be closed.

Drug dependency treatment should be voluntary

Proposition 19 - Joseph Califano & Gary Johnson colbertnation

Joseph A. Califano
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Joseph Califano sourcewatch

Joseph A. Califano Jr. nytimes



Three Strikes - The Impact After More Than a Decade

Mandatory sentencing

The Three Strikes Law is not a solution to crime.... by B. Cayenne Bird

Stop Bill S-10 (Mandatory Minimum Sentences)

Heston died, NRA's Mandatory Minimum Didn't

Life in Jail for Ganja



In Prison Reform, Money Trumps Civil Rights
THE legal scholar Derrick A. Bell foresaw that mass incarceration, like earlier systems of racial control, would continue to exist as long as it served the perceived interests of white elites.

Ganjawar: Slave Labor, Rape & Pillage Deterrent
At the same time, the United States blasts China for the the use of prison slave labor, engaging in the same practice itself. Prison labor is a pot of gold. No strikes, union organizing, health benefits, unemployment insurance or workers' compensation to pay.



Former state troopers in the Legislature have revived a bill that would make it harder for people to qualify for a medical marijuana card, and tighten controls on the people growing it.
Bill Would Tighten Ore. Medical Marijuana Access

GOPerverted Koch Roaches Need the Drug War for Profit
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ALEC: The Voice of Corporate Special Interests In State Legislatures May 16
PFAW’s latest Right Wing Watch In Focus looks at the American Legislative Exchange Council, a right-wing policy group that funnels pro-corporate legislation to the states at the expense of citizens whose rights and interests are sold off to the highest bidder.

Soon after Drug Czar Turner left office, Nancy Reagan recommended that no corporation be permitted to do business with the Federal government without having a urine purity policy in place to show their loyalty. Carlton Turner became a rich man in what has now become a huge growth industry: urine-testing.
~ Official Corruption: Carlton Turner,
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Bush. Religious drug treatment in Texas - 06/10/00
CORPUS CHRISTI, Tex. - Over the door of one church-based drug treatment center in Houston, a sign printed in foot-high letters announces: "Drug Addiction Is NOT a Disease. It's a Sin." At another, clients pass by a poster of an addict in a hospital bed, ripping IV tubes out of his arms and throwing his pills in the garbage. An angel hovers nearby, offering her protection from this plague of prescriptions.

And at a Christian young adult home in Corpus Christi, police recently took the unusual step of arresting a supervisor after teenagers complained that they were beaten and roped to a bed, all in the name of Christian discipline. More arrests are anticipated, authorities say.

These are some of the results--expected and unexpected--of Gov. George W. Bush's "bold new experiment in welfare reform." With his conviction that religious groups can transform lives in ways government can't, Bush sponsored laws in 1997 that allow churches to provide social services their own way, outside the intrusive glare of the state.

The new laws exempted faith-based drug treatment programs from all state health and safety regulations followed by their secular counterparts, a list contained in a rule book as thick as a Russian novel that covers every detail from fire detectors to frayed carpets. Counselors in religious treatment programs now may skip the criminal background checks and hundreds of hours of training required of their state-licensed peers.



Calvina Fay Prohibition Inc.
Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message
Calvina Fay is the Executive Director of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs (S.O.S.) From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. Mel Sembler and his wife Betty founded Straight, Inc. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in order to protect its money and its principals from civil suits. In 1995 it was changed again to Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is a national and international drug policy think tank and provider of services for drug free work places.




Straight Inc., Legacy of Torture as Treatment
Straight Inc. was a drug rehabilitation program for teens, that operated from 1976-1993 in several states across America. Clients were forcibly indoctrinated with the program, deprived of all basic human rights until they could demonstrate a sincere internalization of the group's values. All clients underwent sleep deprivation, isolation, food and water deprivation, verbal and physical abuse as a matter of course. All forms of personal autonomy were considered privileges and were earned through adopting the abusive personality of a "Straightling."



America's Private Gulag - 04/21/01 19:39:46
What is the most profitable industry in America? Weapons, oil and computer technology all offer high rates of return, but there is probably no sector of the economy so abloom with money as the privately-run prison industry.

Boycott Koch Industry Products!
Slave Labor, Prison Privatization, Prison Industry
ALEC Conservatives push this agenda nationwide!
ALEC claims that corporations can run and operate these necessary programs and prisons more efficiently than public employees. They claim this will reduce government staffing and thus government payrolls and somehow make us all safer (corrections), smarter (school voucher programs), our kids better trained to enter the workplace (repeal of child labor laws) and help reduce municipal, city, state and county costs (using inmates in place of public employees).



"The horrors experienced by many young inmates, particularly those who are convicted of nonviolent offenses, border on the unimaginable. Prison rape not only threatens the lives of those who fall prey to their aggressors, but it is potentially devastating to the human spirit. Shame, depression, and a shattering loss of self-esteem accompany the perpetual terror the victim thereafter must endure." U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Farmer v. Brennan

Boehner & Cantor expose their ties to ALEC, Koch, CCA, Geo in 09 ALEC speeches!
Republicant dominated assemblies are also pushing for privatizing their state prison systems. Though on the surface this issue appears to lack the same seriousness as the right to work laws they're trying to implement, or the attacks on workers and Unions, but as you'll discover below, it is just as important - and in fact exposes the real agenda of these conservative lawmakers and Governors...tentacle s of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and corporations such as Koch Industries. Many of us were unaware the new Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, John Boehner was a member of the notorious American Legislative Exchange Council back in the 80's when this agenda was developed and put into operation...or that House Majority Leader Cantor was a 2009 recipient of ALEC's "prestigious" Jefferson award!

Victims of Teabog rhetoric?



How the So-Called Guardians of Free Speech Are Silencing the Messenger
by: John Pilger, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis
As the United States and Britain look for an excuse to invade another oil-rich Arab country, the hypocrisy is familiar. Colonel Gaddafi is “delusional” and “blood-drenched” while the authors of an invasion that killed a million Iraqis, who have kidnapped and tortured in our name, are entirely sane, never blood-drenched and once again the arbiters of “stability.”

International Journal on Human Rights and Drug Policy

Fourth Amendment not valid if police say they thought they heard something.



'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible'
What's life like in our prisons for those 77,000 marijuana convicts? Let's steel our nerves and go visit the Web site Just Detention International ? End Rape in Prison, where the Los Angeles outfit "Stop Prisoner Rape" has posted the little plain-talking handbill it has prepared for young men entering our prison system, titled "For Prisoners: Advice on Avoiding HIV/AIDS."

The group's handout -- targeted primarily at heterosexual men who have no desire to ever be involved in homosexual activity -- advises:

"HIV/AIDS transmission during a sexual assault is a serious concern. The following are practical tips for reducing your risk. ...

If you have a choice, try to avoid men who used needles for drugs in the past or are still doing so. ... The more often you are raped, the more exposed you will be, so especially try to avoid anal gang-bangs. The most dangerous situation of all is if your anus is bleeding, for that allows easy entry of the virus into your bloodstream. So try to use a lubricant or grease or cream if you can to minimize injury to your delicate internal body parts, avoid anal gang-bangs, and if you must endure forced anal penetration, try to relax your muscles as much as possible. These tactics are not 'cooperating' or consenting, they are just common-sense measures to try to save your life.


Straight, Inc. (1976-1993) publicly claimed to rehabilitate teenage drug users by using tough love and Alcoholics Anonymous principles. Straight, Inc. provided NO professional counseling: The REAL Straight, Inc. was a facility that used coercive thought reform (aka mind control, brainwashing), public humiliation, sleep & food deprivation, extremely harsh confrontational tactics, kidnapping, isolation and emotional, mental, psychological, verbal and physical abuse to forcibly break us down then remold us in the Straight, Inc. image.

Slave Labor Means Big Bucks For U.S. Corporations - 02/06/01 23:32:53
As if exploiting the labor of prison inmates was not bad enough, it is legal in the United States to use slave labor. The 13th Amendment of the Constitution states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States."

Slavery: Another Fine Product Still Made in the USA! - 12/17/01 20:30:25
Contrary to what we may learn in school, the American Civil War did not see the complete abolition of slavery in 1865. The 13th Amendment to their constitution reads "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime..."

Which justice system do we get?

Human Rights Watch has documented abominable conditions for children in detention in countries around the world. In the United States (Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, and Maryland), Pakistan, Jamaica, among other countries, children are subjected to excessive force, inadequate medical and mental health care, and are provided with little or no education. Often, these children are placed in the facilities along side adults, exposing them to physical and sexual abuse.


Sembler and straight officials need to be sodomized daily in prison for what they have done to these kids!

THE TRUTH ABOUT OUR PRISONERS by Kay 'Grandma' Lee

U.S. prison population largest in world

Women in Prison


AARC is a "treatment" program in Canada that uses the Straight, Inc., Synanon, SEED model. It is abusive. CBC News was good enough to expose this abuse and air it.
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regardless of who to blame, the tea party is basically a republican offshoot that has come to stand for fixing these structural problems and changing them to actually be fiscally prudent. msnbc is scared of them and has tried for 3 years to endlessly demonize them because they realize that tea party ideology is actually closer to clinton than it is to the far right wing. Clinton controlled wellfare costs, him and gingrich worked together and in the 90s 2 out of every 3 people on medicare went to work or to school... now we have a choice between a proud to be socialist like obama who just spend his first term doing pelosi's bidding and will almost certainly fight tooth and nail to keep adding to the problems for political expediency in his next term. He threw mubarak under the bus and egypt is going to be a shithole of radical islam. He basically set things up for the collapse of saudi arabia one of our best and most powerful arab allies.... and of course his stupid actions on israel. But if he can keep enough desperately dependent people fixated on "not changing anything about wellfare" (a radical position far to the left of President Clinton), then he can use the desperate poor vote to win just like he managed to shove thru obamacare. Those desperate people will only understand that a plan where you pay in some tiny amount and then get to take out whatever it costs to pay for your care even if its 10x what you paid in....that such a program will fall over a cliff eventually...but you cant make them understand that because its like a 3 step process.... so if you really are moderate and really are concerned about this stuff... find a tea party candidate that is really a tea party candidate (not a liberal plant like jack davis for example) and vote for him or her!
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National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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obama has only increased it "100%" because its only been a year.... hes the first president ever to make our yearly costs be like many trillions more than our revenue.... so in a few more years with his madness he will be like 20x the level of reagan... its astronomical how much big o increased our debt....and they still do class warfare even more.... no wonder the bond markets are warning us that our AAA rating is under threat for the first time since 1911.
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Again it's pretty funny how the quote I posted is basicly agreeing with everything you've just posted (honestly, I only glanced).

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I read your posts, DDC. Not all at once, and sometimes breeze past things I've seen or read previously, but I read your posts.
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regardless of who to blame, the tea party is basically a republican offshoot that has come to stand for fixing these structural problems and changing them to actually be fiscally prudent.
You sir are a moron. We've just shown you where the money went and the money behind the teabags are GOPerverts, Cantor and Boner are not representing republican values, they represent Wallstreet. As far from gullible teabag blue collar flag jerking morons like you as it gets. Your original intent has been hijacked into gutting the infrastructure and schools to bail out World Banks and International corporations. The Koch's profit on the drug war and especially cannabis prohibition and you think they have your interests in mind? Naive isn't strong enough. The Kratz like Obombo are treading water while you try to divert attention from the thieves and spread it out to everyone? Its everyones fault? The GOPerverts only put the money in their bank accounts and gutted the neighborhoods but for that we can all share the blame eh? No dude, its simple who is stealing and who is a lapdog letting them get away with it. The Teabogs blind following of the Dick Armey and Koch knockers. That makes you UnAmerican.



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msnbc is scared of them and has tried for 3 years to endlessly demonize them because they realize that tea party ideology is actually closer to clinton than it is to the far right wing.
Clinton is a Neocon working with Boosh, nothing to do with politics. They profit on fascism while you blame the poor. Clinton busted more than Boosh, Rayguns and Nexxon combined. Obombo is again, a Chicago newbie. His greatest fault was pushing Hilarycare right off the bat as a campaign debt. Same as her old man appeasing the Gays with DADT. Obombo has kept his promise in spite of the Ganja profiteers claiming different. Buyers clubs are not covered under prop 215 and he hasn't busted any individual growers or co ops I know of. Other than finishing Boosh' job capturing bin Laden or winding down Iraq. I see nothing and you bring nothing to show any connection to Neocons. It's all Canter and Boner and the remnants of Boosh and you haven't shown any proof of anything since the gitgo so why would your faux news memo reading impress me now? Give it up gullible. Go jerk the plastic flag made with foreign OPEK crude oil and tell me how you care about unemployed Americans watching your moneysluts trickle down their jobs to India. Gut the infrastructure so everything becomes privatized and without regulations we're all just giddy thinking finally we can trust the corporations to regulate themselves for our health. They'd never pollute rivers just for profit.



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Clinton controlled wellfare costs,
Klintoon balanced the budget and created jobs as the chart says. You fail to realize when the government spends taxes on the poor, they spend that money locally. Benefitting small businesses. your moneysluts take the money out and pay no taxes and then cry that its the poor and the tax breaks for Exxon has nothing to do with it. Or the lies and trillion dollars to Iraq. Or continuing the drug war and make no mistake about it. It's a republican war with democrats going along but remove the instigators and cheer leaders and it collapses. Your Neocons are killing Americans and turning the country into a factory of employees, not citizens.



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Maybe you're not old enough to remember the contract on Americans or too senile. They tried to impeach the dude for a blowjob. Worked together? Klintoon balanced the budget, bombed kosovo and bloated the drug war. More like the false definition of a republican than democrat. At any rate Knewty is a has been. Neocons serve Wall St. and the Internationalism responsible for the starving and wars protecting vested interest with the votes of the vested ignorant like you.



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2 out of every 3 people on medicare went to work or to school...
Do you just pick these out of a hat? If we paid a living wage we wouldn't need subsidies for mothers with kids and dead beat dads. The only welfare besides corporate welfare or SSI for mentally disabled. The ones Rayguns let out onto the streets known as our homeless population. Exxon gets welfare and you blame the teachers...



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now we have a choice between a proud to be socialist like obama who just spend his first term doing pelosi's bidding and will almost certainly fight tooth and nail to keep adding to the problems for political expediency in his next term.
Do you even read your own words? Pelosi did nothing but plead with GOPerverts and only had obombo two years. You really have to get over this nasty breakup with Pelosi. You sound like a scorned school kid in love with the teacher. She's too smart for you JFQ. Let her go. Its better that way. She has always been over your means. Let it go, there'll be others.



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He threw mubarak under the bus and egypt is going to be a shithole of radical islam.
He was here when it started and now to not intervene is a bad thing? You would have said the same about Americans protesting Vietscam.



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He basically set things up for the collapse of saudi arabia one of our best and most powerful arab allies....
No goofy, one of Boosh's best allies and the reason gas is $4 a gallon and why we have no alternative fuel because of back door Cheney and his Saudi policy. Your words are shit.



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and of course his stupid actions on israel.
Actions so stupid you can't even mention them? Just hope no one actually reads your posts. Well I like a good laugh now and again and I think you're amusing. Your little troll buddy dum is just naive. You're silly and that means you may be redeemable.

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if he can keep enough desperately dependent people fixated on "not changing anything about wellfare" (a radical position far to the left of President Clinton),
Dude there is no welfare except the rich not paying taxes and subsidies on $47 billion profit. The Americans mothers working minimum wage need support for their kids. You want to take their health care and kill anyone assisting them in buying a home like the lies against ACORN. Your entire agenda is going to end up with the teabog dipshits hung on the courthouse steps. At least in the form of recalls. Moneysluts selling out the workers only goes so far and you have used up your quarters worth of time. Now you have nothing but gossip. Not that you had anything before that. But now enough time has passed to show your agenda more clearly.



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then he can use the desperate poor vote to win just like he managed to shove thru obamacare.
The obombo care you speak of is not what the poor ask for or need. Your version is the Mitt Romney version. Just profits for the Insurance. Blame the weak and kiss the rich's ass begging for trickle-downs is unbecoming for any American to witness. You should be ashamed but typically you're too calloused over to feel anything for your fellow countrymen except how to exploit them and lower their wages.



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Those desperate people will only understand that a plan where you pay in some tiny amount and then get to take out whatever it costs to pay for your care even if its 10x what you paid in....
Good thing "these desparate American people" are finally seeing how full of shit you and your massa's are.

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that such a program will fall over a cliff eventually...
Giving health care to the poor is something you want to see go over the cliff and nothing said about the trillions bailing out the banksters or profits on war or that workers are making up what the rich deadbeats shelter. Ya I'm guessing the program will include a long pole, some tar and some feathers for the GOPervert sluts.



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but you cant make them understand that because its like a 3 step process.... so if you really are moderate and really are concerned about this stuff... find a tea party candidate that is really a tea party candidate (not a liberal plant like jack davis for example) and vote for him or her!
I like the pitchfork and torches idea better. The teabog Koch roaches are stealing the country and selling it to saudi princes and chinese factories and india' cheap labor pool of disbosible workers. Traitors deserve nothing and nothing is what you'll get.

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Funny isn't what unemployed Americans call it. You have no clue and making false claims that you agree is almost retarded. You aren't even in the same city let alone the same ballpark. Its Neocons stupid. Not democrats. 99% of Neocons are GOP Wall Mart tied Boosh leaguers selling out the workers and their families and you dismiss the facts with gossip that its all the same so just forgetaboutit? Maybe in your foreign naivety some will forgive your gossip. Not me. To me you're shit. The only way you won't be shit is if you die and then you will be dead shit. Now go fetch lapdog. Quit pestering the adults.

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