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Old 06-27-2011, 09:33 AM   #41 (permalink)
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if 32 people vote to make chicken a vegetarian dish... then we have to accept that it is vegetarian dish.
All threading aside.... as a vegetarian I've had this shit actually told to me WAY to many times, that chicken =/= meat... like ANYTHING but red meat is some now not meat...wft???

When I get fish or shellfish in my vegetarian dish, it's usually in Asian food.
I'm just as confused by what part of 'vegetarian?.... NO meat?' wasn't understood or further, how this became an accepted definition in a society.
Still crazy... but more permissible error for some reason LoL

FFS people... if you are going to eat chicken just say it, don't put your classification of what vegetarian is onto my choices on the menu !!! LoL!!!

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Moral... 'JESUS LADY!!! EGG SALAD ISN'T THE SAME DAMN THING AS CHICKEN SALAD!!!!!!!'

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another funny thing i read this article tonight that said "gays now have the right to divorce!"
Think this was not literal and meant to prove a point, maybe?
A cynical way of saying 'now gays can marry legally'...?



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preach again how allowing gay people to be gay will somehow make me and society by extension less heterosexual
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #42 (permalink)
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heh... you can marry your sister... why not your brother? LoL!!!!!
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:24 AM   #43 (permalink)
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The stance of my country, for those interrested:

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In Denmark, Finland and Hungary, a registered partnership provides nearly all of the rights of marriage, including joint adoption rights in Denmark. Finland and Greenland have biological adoption only (no joint adoption). These partnership laws are short laws that state that wherever the word "marriage" appears in the country's law, it will now also be construed to mean "registered partnership", and wherever the word "spouse" appears, it will now also be construed to mean "registered partner" — thereby transferring the body of marriage laws onto same-sex couples in registered partnerships.
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:38 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Same sex marriage in Canada:
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On July 20, 2005, Canada became the fourth country in the world and the first country in the Americas to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide with the enactment of the Civil Marriage Act which provided a gender-neutral marriage definition. Court decisions, starting in 2003, each already legalized same-sex marriage in eight out of ten provinces and one of three territories, whose residents comprised about 90% of Canada's population. Before passage of the Act, more than 3,000 same-sex couples had already married in these areas.[1] Most legal benefits commonly associated with marriage had been extended to cohabiting same-sex couples since 1999.

The Civil Marriage Act was introduced by Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberal government in the Canadian House of Commons on February 1, 2005 as Bill C-38. It was passed by the House of Commons on June 28, 2005, by the Senate on July 19, 2005, and it received Royal Assent the following day. On December 7, 2006, the House of Commons effectively reaffirmed the legislation by a vote of 175 to 123, defeating a Conservative government motion to examine the matter again. This was the third vote supporting same-sex marriage taken by three Parliaments under three Prime Ministers in three different years.
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Since September 2003, military chaplains have been allowed to bless same-sex unions and to perform these ceremonies on a military base
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Based on the 2001 census, three main Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity) represent 80% of the Canadian population. All three have texts that have sections interpreted by some to declare sexual relations between people of the same sex as forbidden and sinful. For example, the Koran (7:80-81, 26:165) and the Bible (Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27, I Timothy 1:9-10, etc.) are frequently interpreted to explicitly forbid homosexuality. (see related article, Homosexuality and religion).

In July 2003, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church in Canada protested the Chrétien government's plans to include same-sex couples in civil marriage. This is significant because Catholicism has a larger number of adherents in Canada than any other religion or denomination, with 43.6% of the population identifying themselves as Catholic. The church criticisms were accompanied by Vatican claims that Catholic politicians should vote according to their personal beliefs rather than the policy of the government.

Amid a subsequent backlash in opinion, the Church remained remarkably quiet on the subject, at least in public, until late 2004, when two Catholic bishops clearly stated their opposition to same-sex marriage. The Bishop of Calgary, Frederick Henry, in a pastoral letter urged Catholics to fight against the legalization of same-sex marriage, calling homosexual behaviour "an evil act". Bishop Henry's letter also seemed to urge the outlawing of homosexual acts, saying "Since homosexuality, adultery, prostitution and pornography undermine the foundations of the family, the basis of society, then the State must use its coercive power to proscribe or curtail them in the interests of the common good." Two human rights complaints were filed against Henry soon afterward under the Alberta Human Rights act, one of which was dropped at the conciliation stage.

The largest Protestant denomination in the country, the United Church of Canada, offers church weddings to same-sex couples and supports same-sex marriages, testifying to this effect during the cross-country Justice Committee hearings. Unitarian Universalist congregations also solemnize same-sex marriages, as do the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and the Metropolitan Community Church.

Some progressive Jewish congregations and some within the Anglican Church have also supported same-sex marriage.

The Humanist Association of Canada, which endorses a non-theistic, non-religious ethical philosophy to life and full separation of church and state, has been supportive of same-sex marriage. Local affiliate groups of the Humanist Association offer officiancy (marriage commissioner) services across Canada.

Representatives of the World Sikh Organization testified before the Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs in favour of the Civil Marriage Act.

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My experience in going to and talking with Friends has been REALLY different from ANYTHING that resembles conservatism.
Although given their diversity in their Meetings I could also imagine this would still be a talked about issue....

I would be openly interested in hearing more about where your impression/opinion/experience lies with them?


Homsexuality and Quakerism

I'd honestly almost consider calling myself a Quaker, without explanation.
(IE. Like the ones I give for explaining/elaborating for going to an Anglican Church, where I'll add I've meant PLENTY of GLBT couples much to my surprise)

I went to a Unitarian Universalist Church for a long time, occasionally going to Friends Meetings and there was also a good blurring of people who went to both UU and Friends Meetings, being completely comfortable at both as I was.

The Quakers are a VERY diverse group of people with individual polity about the structure and philosophy of their Meetings. Some ranging from pretty liberal Christianity all the way to really integrated ideal and openness to metaphors and allegories of other religions.... perhaps dubbable as 'new-agy' by some... although I think that leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths.



Heck... there are actually a such thing as a non-theist Friend, which I'm sure you can imagine I REALLY like.

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A nontheist Friend or an atheist Quaker is someone who affiliates with, identifies with, engages in and/or affirms Quaker practices and processes, but who does not necessarily accept a belief in a theistic understanding of God, a Supreme Being, the divine, the soul or the supernatural. Like traditional Friends, nontheist Friends are actively interested in realizing centered peace, simplicity, integrity, community, equality, love, joy, and social justice in the Society of Friends and beyond.
From: Nontheist Friends: Quaker atheists, agnostics, humanists, and others who practice Quakerism without supernatural beliefs
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Nontheistfriends.org presents the work of Friends (Quakers) who are more concerned with the natural than the supernatural. Some of us understand “God” as a symbol of human values and some of us avoid the concept while accepting it as significant to others. We differ greatly in our religious experience and in the meaning we give religious terms.

We are not a pressure group trying to move Quakerism toward nontheism. We bless what our theist brothers and sisters bring to Quaker meetings and worship. All Friends have much to learn from each other. We hope to strengthen the Quaker tradition of welcoming people of diverse religious experience and to show by example that this can include nontheists.

We are part of meeting communities that include theists and nontheists. Together we worship and love and cooperate, even as we differ on the particulars of our religious experience. Quakerism has been changing ever since George Fox had his first opening on Pendle Hill, becoming deeper and richer. We are all part of this living faith.
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