Terry

There is no study that says nicotine is more addictive then heroin btw that's just anti smoking propaganda.

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kamikazi89

i spend 60 bucks a week on cigs..how much heroin does that get me?

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Galt

Spoken like a true socialist. Through work we produce and earn. That allows us to exchange value for value, money for goods and services. This is why governments' main and most important part to play in helping to sustain a civilized society is to protect property rights. Beyond that they serve no function in a free society other than to impinge on free people. When we look around today we find a very different scenario because of our past willingness to abdicate our responsibilities to what have become our rulers rather than our servants.

It's a microcosm of what we see in the growth of the police State and crime. People complain about the rampant crime. The stratification of our world into a group of haves and a group of have nots, as initiated and sustained by the rulers, has seen to it that the trend will only worsen. In response to the call for public safety and the maintenance of the "Rule of Law" and order, we stand back and watch as one right or freedom after another is trampled into the dust. Eventually this will lead to a police and government presence that WILL have the ability to control everything completely enough, particularly with the advent of all of the new technologies, that crime may actually diminish. It's been tried and it turns out people didn't like it too much, just ask an East German.

Granted the good ol' days weren't all that good...but the differences from then til today have more to do with people's changing attitudes and opinions than anything positive that the governments have attempted. By and large they all make Homer Simpson look like Einstein what with the chaos of all of their unintended consequences.

Consider how much happier, safer and freer we'd all be if we were allowed to keep our money and actually use it to help each other and our world by choice rather than under threat of force. It takes but a cursory glance at our State enforced welfare gambit to recognize that it has failed on every level except one, it has managed to de-incentivize work and striving to excel.

Speak for yourself when you say that we want them to pay for anything. That is not and was never meant to be their function or responsibility on any level. Protect the rule of law and property rights. Maybe if they could get that right we'd have more to discuss.

Let people keep what they earn and create, let us decide what are the causes and programs worth supporting, and encourage people to take care of themselves...that would be a much better place to live. That provides incentive, not unionization, Communism and Centralized Socialist bullshit.




Congrats on the quitting. I've done it so many times I can't recall, but live with one who won't so eventually - even after years of not - I always succumb again.

As for the labels...I predict that it will have as great an impact as the successes that our governments have experienced with their war on other inanimate objects. The kids ('cuz it's really about savin' the kids - and they always gotta invoke the "save the chil'ren" horseshit) will embrace this like we used to collect baseball cards. They will succeed in making the "evil" even more attractive than Joe Camel ever could have, just by saying no so loudly. It's already illegal...doh! How's that workin' out for them? So unless they are actually admitting that they have as usual - failed miserably - vis a vie children and smoking, this is all targeted at supposedly free adult citizens who obviously are already more than aware that the shit kills. With a debased currency, corporations taking over the planet and hegemony run a muck, this is where our money should be spent?! I say there is no better example of just how and why at least 50% of all government jobs and programs should be immediately terminated for ever and ever. We did it after WWII. They just forgot to drive a stake in the heart of the shit that they buried. How the fuck is this "essential"? Why do WE need to pay for this?



Of course it also depends on who's doing the educatin'.
And won't you die a blue faced death holding your breath waiting for the FDA to even suggest any kind of warning labels for the corporate bonanza that is high fructose corn syrup and genetically engineered foods. Essentially they are one in the same since North America's agriculture has once again repeated the mistakes of history and allowed itself to be molded into a mono-cropping culture. We're but a baboon's ass hair from a catastrophic crop failure. Not that the demise of the ethanol scam would be a bad thing, but it would be pretty horrific to see half of the farms in N.A. experience a total simultaneous collapse. But we've nothing to fear...Monsanto says that they have everything under control. They actually possessed the hubris to tell the FDA and the Patent office that they had subdued nature and forced it to succumb to their will. Has there ever been a better blue print for disaster? That's not an iceberg...it's actually a big fluffy ball of cotton floating out there...

Maybe, just maybe...if we weren't forced to support an un-Constitutional American empire, if we didn't invest hundreds of billions persecuting and prosecuting our own population, if we didn't have to spend trillions feeding the greatest killing machine ever known to man (Ike's Military Industrial Complex), if we executed first time offenders who use public office for self enrichment, if we eliminated the 90% of our government that was non-essential...we could afford real care for our health. What we just got was a big fuck you and a giant lottery win for the health insurers, kind'a like Bush's big pay day for the government drug dealers. While we're at it, maybe put the able bodied to work growin' some healthful food instead of growing fatter asses sittin' in their Section 8 watchin' the Okra channel all day.

You'd probably save more lives outlawing white bread and BT corn fed beef.

On a happier note...I just read where the Japanese have developed a new meat substitute that's made from human feces. We're only a government grant away from enjoying turd burgers in our State run schools. No shit!, er I mean Know Shit.

Japanese Scientists Create Meat From Poop (Soylent Brown) : Federal Jack



Duh!!! Ever hear of Madison Ave., propaganda, advertising or the media?
Billboards do wha'?
T.V. Commercials do wha'?
Subliminal messaging does wha'?
A new "asshole of the week" standing in front of a podium shedding tears and claiming to only be human does wha'?
Our nightly network news does wha'?
Do you honestly need documentation?

Tell ya what, while somebody wastes their time trying to document the obvious, you exercise some quid pro quo and document God for me, or government programs that work, or the reason for the wars in the Middle East and the West's involvement, or any other handy fairytale that you might choose. What's the point?

Of course they work. The cornerstone of teaching was, back when that was still practiced; see it, say it, write it...now do it again. That's not even a bad thing in and of itself where tobacco is concerned - given the damage that smoking does. The issue is whether the rulers have any business taking money from us under threat of physical harm to allow them to pay for half of this (since they are still busy spending twice what they steal and borrowing the other half from the fucknut thieves at the Federal Reserve...but I digress - even more than usual).

On the one hand they pay subsidies to keep people from growing tobacco, they sue the makers, they implement regulations and laws, all designed to feign concern (as if we give a fuck), when all that they really want is to make certain that they have extracted every last dime of ransom possible before going on to the next potential well. It's almost as asinine as them being funded by Wall Street and corporations like Big Oil. They fuck us a little harder than usual and Congress has them up on the Hill for hearings. There's a week of grandstanding and video clips for the sheeple and then they all go out to lunch or take a junket to Dubai. Anybody you know get a job or shit else out'a TARP or any of that Stimulus bullshit? Goldman Sachs didn't do too bad...and managed to get rid of a big competitor in the bargain (anybody remember Lehman Bros.) The morning that the congressional douche bags had Goldman's CEO sitting in front of them a historical number of shorts were executed in Goldman Sach's futures. $5,000 invested at the market open was worth over $100,000 by lunch. Gee...only those "Honorable" Congressmen and the SEC even knew that they were going to call the dickhead in. I wonder how many Congressman's family members got rich off of just that one? And BTW, does anybody remember where the Treasury twat, jail rape Geithner came from? Talk about foxes guarding the hens.

Why is it that you can buy tobacco for rolling your own that costs $50 a pound if it's advertised to be for people that roll their own cigarettes, but the exact same weed packaged for pipe smokers is well under $20? They don't give a fuck about really getting people to quit. It's just about maintaining the illusions and distractions while they bury us in debt and work to keep everyone afraid of shit that supposedly only they can protect us from.

FWIW...if you do smoke and are tired of being ass fucked by the revenuers, buy one of the cigarette rollers like the Top machine (about $35 on-line). A carton of filtered tubes (menthol, regular, ultra-light...whatever ya want) can be had on-line as well for usually about $2-2.50 a carton. A pound of "legal" pipe weed will make about four cartons of coffin nails, for a total cost of about $.40 - .50 a pack! Takes me about 40 minutes to roll two cartons while I watch the boob tube. How's that for a big fuck you to da man? Also helps to put in perspective just how many ways and how deep they are fucking us. Take a look at what they do with gasoline and diesel fuel sometime. I believe that's what they call going balls deep.

Sorry for the tone, but I've got some obvious issues with being ruled by anyone. I think they call it Oppositional Defiance Disorder (O.D.D.), which I guess why people think I'm a bit odd.

Here..watch this and you can become as fucked up as I am...

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SageTree

Welcome back Galt, haven't seen you in a while.
It's hard to be around it to get to that stable place.... sorry to hear that is the case for you too. Hope you're at least able to cut down a little.

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Galt

Nailed it baby! I am a consummate addict. If I find something I like, be it opiates, coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, coke, acid, foods, speed, I will do it and keep doing it until I'm at least two steps past what my health will tolerate. Then I quit...not that it's ever been fun, but I've been lucky enough to have developed just enough self discipline to be successful. Probably only still true 'cuz I realized that tryin' crack would likely be beyond that discipline and ultimately kill me, so I never did it. I will say that even though no cigs or coke would get me jonesin', it ain't nuthin' like gettin' ill. The physical aspects of the opiate addiction is a unique animal all its own. Ultimately moderation is always best and any addiction is unhealthy. It's just that some are so tasty and enjoyable that I straight up didn't give a fuck what it was doin' to me. Haven't met a junkie yet that quit heroin 'cuz they hated the high. It's just the shit in between that wears ya down.

Not a particularly intelligent attitude, nor one that I'm proffering to others, but I don't buy into the hereafter fairytale. I figure this is all that there is, and the rest is just another scam bein' run by some pedophiles and crooks tryin' to separate fools from their money. So I'm gonna enjoy myself when and how I feel like it. That no longer includes the likes of opiates or cocaine, but I don't run from a coupl'a beers, (as long as they're really good beers!). I make a modest attempt to stay healthy, but eventually we're all gonna die from sumthin', so I have no desire to try living forever by eating twigs and berries or forgoing the occasional Belgian Ale. The point of that however is personal choice. As long as I respect others' peace and property...just leave me the fuck alone! I've got plenty of opinions, but that's all that they are. If ya like 'em or not it doesn't really matter 'cuz in the great shit storm of life mine aren't any more important or righteous than the asshole's standin' next to me. Might be a lesson in that for the "True Believers", ...but I doubt it.

The key to quittin' anything for me has always been the lifestyle change. When in junk land do as the junkies has always held true, so changing the environment had more to do with my successes than my actual will power. Drunks like hangin' in bars with other drunks 'cuz there's nobody to challenge them or hold the mirror up for them...til they return to hearth and home, and that's where the trouble starts (assuming they don't kill or get killed on the way). It's a lot easier to quit when I'm in a controlled and ordered environment that keeps me distracted and busy, and where the shit isn't readily available. I'dn't dat what the rehab industry is all about?

My coke addiction got some help from my better half stickin' a gun in my best coke buddy's face one day when I wasn't around. She simply stated in a convincing fashion that if he ever spoke to me again she'd blow his balls off...first. Anyway, she must have made a very compelling argument 'cuz I didn't see or hear from him until almost ten years later. We bumped into each other and he told the story, at which point we both realized that we were some pathetically co-dependent puppies and she had done us both a huge solid. It's always easier to run in formation when you all carry the same crutch.

I can't stay off of cigs 'cuz the lil' woman won't quit and they're always around. I can't change the lifestyle surroundings unless I wanna be rid of her or unless I can get her to quit, but that's up to her and not me (plus it makes a great rationalization for not quitting again). Cigarettes and alcohol are everyfreakinware, 'cuz they have paid for the opportunity to do so. If there was a weed lobby that was funded half as well as the tobacco and alcohol crowd we'd probably have a weed stipend for welfare recipients and school kids. It's all about them gettin' theirs first. If the pricks in D.C. could make a dime off of it they'd make heroin a milk substitute.

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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

Galt

'Sup Sage. Glad ta see ya still spreadin' that good Karma around. Helps keep the ying in balance with all a my yang.

Thread's a good reminder. Think I'll quit again.
Chest pains, low energy, out'a breath too easily...probably the fluoridated water

They say that the good die young, but pricks live forever...so I'm not really too concerned.

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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

stoneric

They wouldn't be "true believers" if they thought there was any lesson to be learned.

Galt

Can I have an Amen?

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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

SageTree

Good luck with the not smoking Galt.

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