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Buzz Aldrin, in Ann Arbor, says space exploration needs Kennedy-style public goal

not even buzz is on board with the nosediving wreck of obamas space plans anymore.


add him to the list that includes neil armstrong, gene cernan, jim lovell, and pretty much every other astronaut who has ever lived except charlie bolden who is still too busy with nasas primary mission muslim outreach, to wake up and see whats happening to our storied space program.

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SageTree

Didn't you post a link to an article by Buzz and other astronauts already showing the Buzz is not alright with this?

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SageTree

I'd like to see the world go into space together.
This is just another case of American stepping back as 'world police', emphasis on other worlds as well.
Why should they foot the bill?

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no buzz is the one who everyone like scatter kept saying was the astronaut who supports obama. and he did , for a while, but now, he flip flopped to the obvious view, so, despite the fact that buzz gave people like scatter and the others the cover to support obamas non -plan....now he turned around and said basically that obama is doing it wrong.

hopefully those people will see the error of their ways and support a better smarter space program. with actual goals that we dont change every 2 years.

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but sage.... thats a false argument. nasa has benefited all those other nations.

its not the nasa space station.... its the international space station -and more non americans than americans are up there now.... and the kibo module was built by japan, and the columbus module and the panoramic window were built by the european space agency....

so i think that too is a false argument. If we built the areas rockets like we planned to- there would be japanese , canadian, australian and european astronauts on the new moon base.... (edit- and obviously russians built about half the station and have people up there too)

if , however, we cancel it all.... then there will be NO moonbase, not an international one.... but NONE.

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SageTree

This is the one:

Wasn't that sorta of inferred that Buzz wasn't down?

What is the rest of the world annual budget contribution?
I'm not really arguing that point though really.

I think when times aren't so tight maybe it's a good idea to start the programme back up full force. But when kids are eating, I think it's best to spare the coin and feed them, plain and simple.

Can't the moon base wait?

I mean... we already know that shitz made of cheeeese.

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I just wanted to post two times in a row again.

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This is LAME. You put the spin on the headline.

Below are all the quotes from the article you source for your thread title.

“I’m going to be talking to the people running against” Obama in 2012, Aldrin said.

-As in, Sure, I'm interested to hear what the other candidates have to say about the space program.

In 1961, “many thought the challenge” of reaching the moon “would be impossible,” he said. “We didn’t have the knowhow, but we did have the leader with the vision, determination and confidence that we could get there."

"By publicly stating our goal and putting a specific time period for achievement, a very specific accomplishment, President Kennedy gave us no backdoor. The challenged raised our spirits, reignited our can-do attitude, and brought us together as a nation.”

“If we’re to do more than just visit the moon and other planetary bodies — and humans are to establish a permanent and expanding presence in space — then the nations of the world have to learn to work peacefully together as they have done on the international space station,”

“brought together humanity.”

“The benefit was worldwide,” he said. “Everyone on earth felt they had participated in this incredible journey."

“By venturing into space we improve life for everyone here on earth,”




Where in these quotes from your article does Buzz say he recants?

He doesn't.

John F. Kerry

u know , the reason the iss got built was not because america was smart or far sighted...but because some smart guy at nasa had the idea to make it a joint us russian job... so it became a bigger thing than just a domestic program.


since there doesnt seem to be any life on the american side these days... i really wish the russians would propose some amazing new joint program- like if we build the ares rockets they will built a large chunk of the moon base.... or something like that... so that we can get into a new generation of international cooperation and then we wouldnt just be able to cancel it for domestic political reasons.

so if any russian kgb agents are reading this.... ^wink wink... please tell Roskosmos to get on that shit

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"Aldrin also expressed disappointment that President Barack Obama ignored the 50th anniversary of the moment in 1961 when President John F. Kennedy challenged the U.S. to put an explorer on the moon by the end of the decade.
“I’m going to be talking to the people running against” Obama in 2012, Aldrin said.

Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin, the second person to step onto the moon, speaks this morning at a business conference in Ann Arbor.
Angela Cesere | AnnArbor.com
He suggested that the vision for expanded space exploration needs to come in the form of a specific public objective.
In 1961, “many thought the challenge” of reaching the moon “would be impossible,” he said. “We didn’t have the knowhow, but we did have the leader with the vision, determination and confidence that we could get there."
He added: "By publicly stating our goal and putting a specific time period for achievement, a very specific accomplishment, President Kennedy gave us no backdoor. The challenged raised our spirits, reignited our can-do attitude, and brought us together as a nation.”"

a lot of that sounds pretty critical tho. he says hes gonna be talking to the people running against obama and his "suggestion" for what obama should do is pretty much the exact opposite of what obama has done.

better headlines make for better threads

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Kompressor

As computers and robotics get smarter and better, the need for an actual human and all the life support expense that comes with it becomes less and less.

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HTAM

I fixed that for you.

Terry

I totally agree with this. The European and Chinese space programs are making leaps and bounds and I think any country who wants to get involved should, otherwise space will eventually become the New World that earth is constantly bickering about and fighting over.

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Terry

Firstly Sage it is sad to see you have taken to the bastardized Anglican spelling of English. Sad day mate

Secondly it is certainly possible to fund the space program and public assistance at the same time. If we simply ended our foreign wars, closed up shop at our pricy military bases (unless the country's leaders or parliment specifically asks us to stay), cut military spending in half, and end corporate bailouts then we would have more than enough money to explore/inhabit space as well as take care of the many social ills in the world.

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SageTree

Surprised you just noticed that Terry, pretty much just got into it after being here a while. When in Rome

On your second point I wholeheartedly concur with you on all points.
You've said it very well.
My concern was perhaps more of a metaphorical 'lets get shit straight on earth a little more first', rather than a proper gripe.
Concerning feeding folks literally speaking, scaling down the military and the defense budget is tied with it.


Cheers to all that man

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deadhead94

We can get actual science done instead of a PR event when we send robots. More of it too.

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stoneric

Not even if they get on their hands and knees. Time to go.

fenderbender

Yo i just wanna say this.

Hundreds of billions of dollars is greedily hoarded by your precious politicians you spend so much time thinking about, moreso republicans as they work to not only keep it that way but want MORE.

Greed and the wealth it breeds fucking disgusts me.
Id say take it by force, but those greedy fucks will Kill to keep their shit.

How we gonna go into space when one half of the population needs to eat and the other half store it away.

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John F. Kerry

its that kind of non choice false choice that is causing our country to literally go in the toilet.


there is no choice between feeding people and having nasa.

please stop saying that, and try to convince people who think that that its totally incorrect and harmful to our country to have a zero sum game like that.


the british did that in the 1950s... they still dont have a new jerusalem where everyone has everything they want.... instead they have NO space program, NO rocket program, Barely any high tech science manufacturing.... and the exact same social wellfare problems and shortfalls we do...

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Rooting for NASA's Ares I Rockets: Analysis - Popular Mechanics


go back in time, yay ole tyme, about two yorn ago


"Rooting for NASA's Ares I Rockets: Analysis
A week of spaceflight tests, large and small, reminds us why NASA's much maligned launch vehicle is important. If it fails, we lose the moon.
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This week, all eyes were on NASA as it conducted the first flight of the Ares I, the first launch vehicle the agency designed since the Space Shuttle. October also witnessed progress in other space launches, some of which are seen as possible replacements for the towering NASA rocket. But a comparison of the milestones met in the last two weeks shows why NASA's Constellation program remains important, and is exceedingly difficult to replace.

Today's launch generated data to optimize the Ares I, which is being built to bring people into orbit. The Constellation plan is meant to replace the Shuttle (a space plane) with this large, Apollo style rocket and capsule combination. There is a chorus of complaints about the Ares I, stemming from its inability to be ready in time to service the International Space Station, its cost overruns, it's oversized capsule and delays from a vibration problem that required a shock-absorbing redesign.

The critics are not wrong to attack Ares and its capsule, Orion. But here is a sobering fact: Without this NASA program, America will have no way to deliver astronauts into space without renting a Russian Soyuz spacecraft. The Shuttle is set to retire in 2010 after a long, hard service life. The system is aged and it will be expensive and probably dangerous to extend its life. Even if NASA can keep Ares and Orion on track, there will still be at least a six year gap between the first Ares I flight and the Shuttle's retirement. Chronic underfunding from the Bush and Obama administrations have hampered the program and belied both politician's expansive, pro-NASA prose. The money never matched the rhetoric.

There are alternatives to Ares, but none of them are going to bring people into space. A much-touted plan to use military launch vehicles, used to deliver satellites into orbit, seems like a good idea. But converting a cargo-carrying rocket to carry people--called "man-rating"--is more difficult than it sounds, especially when it's done to NASA's stringent safety standards. All components must be tested and retested, while redundant parts must be built and integrated onto the rocket. This will take time and money and will only get the United States a rocket used to place capsules into orbit. Ares is supposed to be the technical foundation for a larger rocket called Ares V that would bring hardware and supplies that could be used to go to the Moon and Mars. The Ares I would launch the astronauts and the capsule, while the larger rocket brings a lander and supplies for longer trips around our solar system. Without Ares I, expect more delays on our return to the moon, as China, India and Japan set their eyes on it as a destination for manned trips.

But what about private space? NASA wisely has invested billions of dollars in private space companies, hiring them to create rockets that can deliver cargo to the ISS. One of these, Space Exploration Technologies, on October 16th successfully test-fired a cluster of nine engines that will launch its Falcon 9 rocket. The test was the last needed validation before the engine is shipped to Cape Canaveral and placed on a rocket, which should happen next month. Company officials say the Falcon 9's demonstration flight will take place within three months after the launch vehicle arrives at Cape Canaveral. NASA desperately needs these private space companies to succeed, but these are not rated to bring people into orbit. And that again leaves us with foreign rentals to gain access to the ISS, and no hope to get a manned mission to the moon or beyond. Private space companies are nothing if not ambitious. They are interested in traveling to the moon--in theory--but are more obsessed with suborbital tourist trips or low earth orbit satellite deliveries. If you ask them about competition from NASA's moonshot, they know their limits. It takes prize money to get them to think about the moon. On Tuesday and Wednesday, as NASA launched Ares, another launch was conducted in the desert in Mojave, Calif.

Masten Space Systems became the last of three private space companies to design a lunar lander that can take off, hover at an altitude, transition to another location and then settle back down to land. The Northrop Grumman Lunar Lander Challenge is funded by NASA and presided over by the X PRIZE Foundation. "It would be good for everyone to take a look at what the private guys are doing," says Doug Graham, a spokesperson for Masten. "With the prize concept, the American taxpayers as a whole can get a lot more innovation for little money. You tend to have more innovation when you're not answerable to a large bureaucracy."

That may be true, but when you compare the humble X-prize craft--tethered and hovering after months of effort--to the enormous Ares I-X, the scope of a manned mission to another planet becomes a little more clear. NASA is certainly a massive, clumsy bureaucracy administered by a fickle, inconsistent government. It is also the best chance America has to land humans on Mars, to explore the limits of space-based medicine and manufacturing and perhaps even form a colony on the moon. Reform NASA, streamline its processes and make it more flexible and responsive--but we hope the Obama administration is not quick starve NASA of its sense of purpose, which the Constellation program represents if nothing else.


Read more: Rooting for NASA's Ares I Rockets: Analysis - Popular Mechanics "

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