Bearsy

WARNING: Graphic footage of man struggling to survive after being shot by cops.

July 16, 2011 in San Francisco, CA.
San Francisco Police (SFPD) shoot and killed a man after chasing him for not having bus fare.
The man who was killed by the police, was shot in the neck after being chased for not having his bus fare! The man was shot SIX times by the police.

This bullshit has to stop.

News Article: SFPD Shoot, Kill Alleged Armed Man In Bayview - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

This just fucking infuriates me even more than I already was. I’m going to go fucking destroy something.

Bus fare is what, a few dollars? This is murder. The article points out he had his hands up in the air as he was running away. He was surrendering. Police protocol needs to change. This kid was only 19.

Fuck The Police.

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Man in Black

not sure what to say really. I think it's understood how I feel about police brutality. and police in general.

i hope these cops pay dearly.

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HTAM

I believe this guy was on parole, and was also a suspect in a double homicide.

And it appears at this point that he was in fact, armed prior to the exchange of gunfire.

stoneric

An "exchange of gunfire" implies two sides are shooting. If the dude was running away, you can't just shoot him down regardless of what he might be wanted for or if he was on parole. I don't know the full story but we always seem to have qualifiers as to when it's okay to gun somebody down. Like the bin laden execution.

HTAM

He discharged his weapon at Police ordering him to stop as he was running away. And he was shot as a result.

"In April, Harding was released from a Washington state prison after he served 22 months for attempting to promote prostitution involving a 14-year-old girl in King County, said San Francisco police Lt. Hector Sainez. Harding was in violation of his parole by being in San Francisco"

He was a Convicted Pimp-who plead to attempted first-degree promoting prostitution. Now if they can put a firearm in his hand with GSR, that's two violations of his parole.

And this...
"Harding was a person of interest in last Wednesday's shooting death of Tanaya Gilbert, 19, in South Seattle, Sainez said. Family members said Gilbert was several weeks pregnant. Three other people were also injured in that shooting."

He was also convicted of robbery when he was a Juvenile.

So he steals and he forces little girls to go whore themselves to make money for him.

Great guy.

eldizle

ya know...i'm no coplover, but i can't even find much fault in that.

if you shoot at the cops, expect to be killed. any american who can't understand that deserves as much as they get. of course cops should be disciplined more thoroughly in cases of real abuse....but this-this is nothing to lose sleep or even make a thread over.

i'm not saying it's right-but in america, if you shoot at police, don't expect mercy.

Bearsy

At the time there was no confirmation of the gun/firing.

Now it's fucked up on both sides.

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eldizle

i can see your side though, especially if this was your neighborhood or something, and this all went down with no information likely given to the locals-as you can hear them openly speculating. that sort of thing is known to be apt to spark a riot in the wrong neighborhoods even if the guy is a known sleazeball.

because shit, people don't trust cops. haha, they'd rather scream for a guy selling girls to pimps than even consider that what the police did was justified.

says a lot.

cantSEEme

violence begets violence.

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Jonas

Where the fuck are you getting this info>?

( sorry, in all the articles I've read, there is no mention of what you 'quoted' )

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HTAM

I'm usually pretty good about sourcing-but not this time.

Those came from two different articles-one from San Fran and one from Seattle.

Pimp shot to death linked to Tanaya Gilbert slaying - seattlepi.com

Not the same article(s), but this provides the same information.

Bearsy, I think your thread shed light on a much more important subject. How modern technology can quickly corrupt the masses based on presentation alone.

This is a good thread.

stoneric

If he indeed shot at police, that changes everything. But you could list an unlimited numdber of other things that made the dude a scumbag and I'll still say he shouldn't be shot running away. Talk about slippery slopes.

HTAM

He shouldn't be shot for running away.

Just like the car chase should be called off when it's about to enter an area of saturated traffic or lives (disinterested third parties that could be passengers) are at risk.

You gotta ask yourself though...who's going to run over a hijacked muni fare, or a ticket they get issued because of it?

The problem here is the guy already broke the law by violating his probation. And he knew it. Let's call it the first of his most recent bad choices.

The second bad choice he made was to run from the cops. Who, in their right mind, would aggravate a simple misdemeanor fine by adding Resisting Arrest, Refusal to Obey a Direct Command by a Law Enforcement Officer, and Evasion? If I was a Cop I'd wonder WTF myself.

Also consider that they might be able to put a gun in this Jackass's hand. That's the third bad decision that he made all though it's still speculative. Still, it was his choice to conceal and carry if that's the case (bad choice number four), and I would suspect that he's a felon because of the crimes he's plead guilty to previously. So, if the gun is in his hand, and that compounds the stink of an already dirty past does anyone care less than they did? Probably.

Did the cops do the right thing in not attending to the wounds?
Yes. If you are not trained to administer First Aid and you aggravate an injury due to the negligence of your untrained treatment, you could be sued.

Need more? Do you know what people who have blood infections look like? Normal, most of the time. Paramedics and Dentists don't wear gloves to protect you from the germs on their hands, my friends. So, why would anyone who can't protect themselves be inclined to treat the bleeding wounds of someone whose medical history they don't know?

Now the part where the guy nearly bleeds out-tough to watch. And I appreciate where those who found it traumatizing to see are coming from.

Man in Black

murder is still murder. and yeah of course they are gonna bring up any dirt on this guy that they can. it really helps their case that he is black too.

you are right HTAM, they are not right to shoot at him while he's running away, just like high speed chases through highly populated areas are absolutely INSANE. always does more harm than good. lot of perps would still be alive, so would a lot of cops, so would a lot of innocents.

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kamikazi89

Gimme a break,cops should be trained in first aid, it's part of the job

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Mercury

cops kill people. that's just what they do. it's their job.

stoneric

Nah.

kamikazi89

cops can be so sensitive at times

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