Getting by without the middle class - Page 2

farmergiles · 07-27-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

we have by far the highest gdp per capita of any large country in the world...

GDP is only one factor though. That's the point. If the GDP is high but the average citizen is poor then things are going wrong.

BudSniffer · 07-27-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester4yall

log-ins suck

Sorry about that... don't know what the deal was, I didn't log in, found this article somewhere and just pasted the link.....

Lloydy · 07-28-2011, 12:49 AM

The middle class is a myth invented by the rich to keep the poor happy
it goes

The Rich
The Working class
Scratters (underclass that doesnt really count as part of society because they contribute nothing to it chavs, junkies etc)

Roach · 07-28-2011, 08:46 AM

I been watching the world stock markets last few weeks.

The US and pretty much the world was in a downward turn .

I notice to market in america is up today....based on bullshit !

"new unemployment" was down to only 400,000 ? (which again doesn't count the > 20 million actually still unemployed)
Housing prices are again being artifically inflated ? (The bubble was patched with bailout money, so now it's re-inflating)
And Exxon reporting record profits...which means nothing for the economy. (since they don't pay their taxes)...?

Dr. Nick Nasty · 07-29-2011, 02:21 PM

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The producer names the tune, the consumer dances.

Yep-when all your country 'produces' is revolving debt, you're pretty much fucked.

DdC · 07-29-2011, 05:24 PM

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The spirit was freedom and justice
And it’s keepers seem generous and kind
It’s leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won’t pay it no mind
‘Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it’s all just an echo of what they’ve been told
Yeah, there’s a monster on the loose
It’s got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin’
~ Steppenwolf – Monster

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**SageTree** · 07-30-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Nick Nasty

welcome to feudalism!

hahahaahah I like when they talk about the 'end' of the system a couple hundred ago

!!! YAY!!!!! yea right.... just like when freeing the slaves in the 1800s made us all equals.

Roach · 07-31-2011, 09:39 AM

another of my posts on newsvine...

Without revenue increases from the upper 10% of the wealthy, America is doomed, and so is any proposal from the republican'ts, that does not eliminate tax breaks, tax exemptions, and tax loopholes.

The PEOPLE have spoken.

Obama has heard from the masses, and this is what the majority of the population wants/needs. Just that the grossly wealthy pay their fair share for a change.

A move that many millionairs/billionairs support.

By cutting social programs you are again, laying the American debt onto the backs of those who can least afford it, and destroying programs our parents/grand parents worked so hard to provide us with.

Leaping downwards........

not stepping upwards.

DdC · 07-31-2011, 03:45 PM

Ralph Nader, Ted Turner and Peter Lewis:
Billionaires Against Bull, Going from Charity to Justice
Posted on July 17, 2011
In his novel Ralph Nader imagines placing seventeen billionaires in one room to solve the country’s problems, from the redevelopment of New Orleans to a reassessment of corporate citizenry and a plan to address environmental issues. Ralph Nader discussed his political novel with two of the billionaires depicted in his book, businessmen and philanthropists Ted Turner and Peter Lewis.

This “LIVE from the NYPL” event was held at Celeste Bartos Forum of the New York Public Research Library of Humanities and Social Sciences following the publication of an abridged version of the nove

Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!
via – C-SPAN Video Library.

from the archives:

From Charity to Justice by Ralph Nader

Book TV: In Depth: Ralph Nader

Ralph Nader: What if…?

Only Ralph Nader and the Super Rich Can Save Us (2009)

Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!

Ralph Nader On Philanthropy at the New York Public Library
On May 4th 2011, Ralph Nader appeared at the New York Public Library with two billionaires — Ted Turner and Peter Lewis.

LIVE From the NYPL: Ralph Nader, Ted Turner & Peter Lewis

Making utopia practical
In nearly a half century fighting abuses of power, Ralph Nader has seen the worst in people, from venality in politicians to arrogance in corporate executives. And Nader knows as well as anyone that corporate control of Washington has kept the US from implementing the policy we need to fight climate change and prepare for peak oil.

Now, Nader’s written his first novel, “Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!” which he calls a “practical utopia.”

Second Group Seeks a Vote on Medical Marijuana
Ohio -- Two different groups are moving ahead with plans to put medical-marijuana issues to a statewide vote in Ohio next year.

While Cleveland billionaire Peter Lewis already had sent up smoke signals about organizing and funding a medical-marijuana ballot issue, another group quietly has been laying the groundwork for a constitutional amendment.

zerodown · 08-02-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres your middle class for ya.

guys i swear its all relative. look at this chart, we have by far the highest gdp per capita of any large country in the world... there are about 5 countries with higher than us, (norway , and the uae and oman). and the next closest with a big population is canada... and they make 10k less per capita gdp than we do.

numbers are sometimes clearer than anecdotal evidence.

all of us have computers and internet acess and from the sound of it we had educations and sitch...

but really what it makes me wonder more than anything ,is why we havent gotten out of this recession yet. we have all we need to do it- the only thing we havent had is a leader who knows what the fuck hes doing.

Statistics, always confusing the fuck out of every situation.

Dr. Nick Nasty · 08-05-2011, 07:18 PM

Fractional-reserve commercial banks have metastasized since their central banks had all restraints removed, starting with Nixon's repudiation of the remnants of the gold standard. Since the banksters also run the governments, they have been able to run wild, even by fractional-reserve standards. But now, with the double dip in this Fed-bank depression, have they brought the temple down on their heads, too? We can only hope for a little justice in this world.-Lew Rockwell

07-28-2011, 12:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
Lloydy KTF Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 11,976 Thanks: 533 Thanked 2,479 Times in 1,140 Posts	The middle class is a myth invented by the rich to keep the poor happy it goes The Rich The Working class Scratters (underclass that doesnt really count as part of society because they contribute nothing to it chavs, junkies etc) __________________ Keep the red flag flying high

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Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	I been watching the world stock markets last few weeks. The US and pretty much the world was in a downward turn . I notice to market in america is up today....based on bullshit ! "new unemployment" was down to only 400,000 ? (which again doesn't count the > 20 million actually still unemployed) Housing prices are again being artifically inflated ? (The bubble was patched with bailout money, so now it's re-inflating) And Exxon reporting record profits...which means nothing for the economy. (since they don't pay their taxes)...? __________________ לזיין את הקופים

07-31-2011, 09:39 AM	#28 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	another of my posts on newsvine... Without revenue increases from the upper 10% of the wealthy, America is doomed, and so is any proposal from the republican'ts, that does not eliminate tax breaks, tax exemptions, and tax loopholes. The PEOPLE have spoken. Obama has heard from the masses, and this is what the majority of the population wants/needs. Just that the grossly wealthy pay their fair share for a change. A move that many millionairs/billionairs support. By cutting social programs you are again, laying the American debt onto the backs of those who can least afford it, and destroying programs our parents/grand parents worked so hard to provide us with. Leaping downwards........ not stepping upwards. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

07-31-2011, 03:45 PM	#29 (permalink)
DdC Decade Yahookan Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Santa Cruz,CA,USA Posts: 2,117 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 51 Thanked 607 Times in 399 Posts	Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us! Ralph Nader, Ted Turner and Peter Lewis: Billionaires Against Bull, Going from Charity to Justice Posted on July 17, 2011 In his novel Ralph Nader imagines placing seventeen billionaires in one room to solve the country’s problems, from the redevelopment of New Orleans to a reassessment of corporate citizenry and a plan to address environmental issues. Ralph Nader discussed his political novel with two of the billionaires depicted in his book, businessmen and philanthropists Ted Turner and Peter Lewis. This “LIVE from the NYPL” event was held at Celeste Bartos Forum of the New York Public Research Library of Humanities and Social Sciences following the publication of an abridged version of the nove Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us! via – C-SPAN Video Library. from the archives: From Charity to Justice by Ralph Nader Book TV: In Depth: Ralph Nader Ralph Nader: What if…? Only Ralph Nader and the Super Rich Can Save Us (2009) Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us! Ralph Nader On Philanthropy at the New York Public Library On May 4th 2011, Ralph Nader appeared at the New York Public Library with two billionaires — Ted Turner and Peter Lewis. LIVE From the NYPL: Ralph Nader, Ted Turner & Peter Lewis Making utopia practical In nearly a half century fighting abuses of power, Ralph Nader has seen the worst in people, from venality in politicians to arrogance in corporate executives. And Nader knows as well as anyone that corporate control of Washington has kept the US from implementing the policy we need to fight climate change and prepare for peak oil. Now, Nader’s written his first novel, “Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!” which he calls a “practical utopia.” Second Group Seeks a Vote on Medical Marijuana Ohio -- Two different groups are moving ahead with plans to put medical-marijuana issues to a statewide vote in Ohio next year. While Cleveland billionaire Peter Lewis already had sent up smoke signals about organizing and funding a medical-marijuana ballot issue, another group quietly has been laying the groundwork for a constitutional amendment. __________________ Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol then Ganja//Hemp.

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Dr. Nick Nasty Reactionary Radical Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York/New Jersey Metro Wasteland Posts: 1,049 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 653 Thanked 364 Times in 232 Posts	Fractional-reserve commercial banks have metastasized since their central banks had all restraints removed, starting with Nixon's repudiation of the remnants of the gold standard. Since the banksters also run the governments, they have been able to run wild, even by fractional-reserve standards. But now, with the double dip in this Fed-bank depression, have they brought the temple down on their heads, too? We can only hope for a little justice in this world.-Lew Rockwell __________________ "I do not wish any mass at all, but honest men only, lovely, sweet, accomplished women only."-Emma Goldman

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