Ego Tripping

You mean when the debt ceiling was raised 7 times without any Republican led outcry?

Exactly.

You don't offer "facts" j, you offer selective history lessons.

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stoneric

Yes a response to 9/11 was warranted no matter how hideously stupid it was.

What exactly did bush "put into place" that allowed us to execute osama 10 years later?

John F. Kerry

...i dont know exactly, but i know he did.

what did the seals just magically find him in abottabad?

and as for selective history lessons, or the stuff about how obama said raising taxes was necessary.

just read the press releases... it has nothing to do with taxes... what does that even mean? never before have tax increases been included with a debt ceiling raise, and never before was our aaa rating threatened. Obama chose to do this the way he chose to do this- he chose to keep insisting on something that he knew republicans werent likely to do - so its not like you can say oh if only the gop would have given in- if they would have given in, then we would have adopted policies which not even dems would have voted for last year. obama knew the situation, he knew peoples positions- and HE CHOSE TO MAKE A HUGE POLITICAL FIGHT....and he even talked at his 40,000 a plate dinners about how he was fighting the gop.... and used it to score political points... by now people should recognize this, its the same thing hes been doing since he entered office, ... he knew what the fights were, and what peoples positionswere, and he chose conflict over compromise which would have been able to pass the house. He kept telling people that he would "call their bluff" etc... who would talk about bluffs when dealing with something so serious as our credit rating? this all seems like a game or a philosophical exercise for obama...

obama proposed a budget earlier this year that would have raised american debt by 10 TRILLION MORE in 10 years... it was voted down by the senate 97-0. so thats obamas idea for a good economy i guess... we just gotta seriously take the reigns from him... i wish the gop would promise to protect social security because i think they could manage things so much better and not even have to destroy social programs, just not try to expand them and try to bring costs under control instead of just throwing out these boatloads of money to their poor supporters to turn out in droves.


....as you know im not a conspiracy nut, but i can see a lot of those fringe people thiking that obama who they called a manchurian candidate etc.... now he caused the us to lose its aaa rating. so i dunno if thats occasion for a "terrorist fist bump" but it certainly plays into the narrative of an america-hating president.

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stoneric

I see. You don't know but whatever happens 3 years after he left office must be the reason the seals(who are dead now) found him. ok.

Roach

popular polls would seem to disagree with you.

republicans had a shot at improving America, and the mass opinion is...they blew it and will be replaced.

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Ego Tripping

Here's your article, j....this is what Yahooka thinks of you:

Yes, Barack Obama really is a Manchurian candidate

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John F. Kerry

"republicans had a shot at improving America, and the mass opinion is...they blew it and will be replaced. "

your prety much doing the same thing democrats always do. your talking at me but not to me.

im at least trying to like respond to the things u guys say. thats why i talked about ego trippins points and stonerics points.

its cool to like have a discussion. i wish u guys would give me some thoughts about like how u actually feel about this, rather than just trying to talk at me and like just regurgitate your talking points. tell me something thats based on some of what i wrote or the concerns i have.

what does it mean to say "republicans had a shot at improving America, and the mass opinion is...they blew it and will be replaced. " ... they arent in control of the senate or the white house? who is going to be "replaced" replaced implies that whats in now is a republican, but its not. yes they have control of the house of reps. anyone whos been thru 3rd grade knows that doesnt mean they are in control. so what are u talking about? or are u just talking at me?

when the gop was in control, from 2000-2006. we did not have a credit rating downgrade. this despite 9/11 happening and all the rest. u guys cant talk your way out of that fact. i am not , and am not trying to be a republican stalking horse, this is like carved in stone, its obvious, its indisputable.

a fair response would be like, ok aa+ is still pretty good and its a wake up call and obama can do a lot to fix the problem now .... but failing to acknowledge it as a mistake, is simply putting your head in the sand.

roach cant even tell me why he likes obama, he just posts the link from obamas website. lol. tell me why u like him or what hes done that is so good? he has totally fucked this country. and i just cant imagine what you think hes gonna do next term that will improve the situation- if he does the same stuff as he did in his first term, the disastor will be obvious... and if he turns 180 and acts different, then u probably wont be happy with what hes doing.... I would really just like a coherent and understandable explanation of what you think obama has done that has been good. even if u like class warfare and "eating the rich" - he hasnt done that either- he just fought about it and caused economic stagnation and caused poor and low income unemployment rates to rise- EVEN the things HE SAID HE WOULD DO- he hasnt done and cant do. so like wtf.

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Roach

actually that article is total unsubstantiated bullshit.
But yes it does define jfk's opinions of the obama administration fairly well

My replies to posts to it, thru facebook, were of course scathing.

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Suliman

just making sure i got it...

jwonder used a tabloid link to bash obama, then gave bush credit for osamas death and maintaining a credit rating?

/subscribe to thread

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stoneric

You say bush's policies were responsible for offing osama 10 years later but you can't fathom that bush's policies, which ended a mere 3 years ago, could have anything to do with our credit rating being downgraded? Nothing obomba inherited had any effect on where we find ourselves now? I think both parties suck, how about you?

Roach

pretty much.

tax breaks for the wealthy. You see If it hadn't been for bush eliminating 10's of billions of dollars a year from revenue, america would not have had the "trickled down 4 dollars" to buy the two bullets that actually killed Bin Laden.

It's so perfectly clear now.

John I realize you are born again republican. What I don't understand is your total blindness to history...and I don't mean Palin's version either.

Tax cuts, and 2 invasions instituted by one president, are why America is so far in debt that now it must cut into social programs that are older than your parents.

deregulation is also a key player, but that's another thread entirely.
Greenspan is the cause of that, and has been since Bonzo Ray-gun. (Another economics genius).

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Roach

only because come 2012 you won't see to many republican's left in office, because they just make poor decisions (that is when you can get a decision out of them at all).

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