John F. Kerry

...well i was gonna make a thread about his evolution comment today, because I thought it was pretty cool, and actually one of the best answers ive heard from a republican on the question, which combines common sense and obvious science with playing to the gop base that at times might be a little crazy...

but seriously, rick perry man, if he didnt sound just like george bush i would think hes actually got a pretty good shot. and frankly, if thats his worst problem, thats considerably less of a problem than the other guys have....

but so, when asked about evolution by a plant (or concerned citizen ) in the audience, perry said ""That's a theory that is out there -- and it's got some gaps in it."" "hopefully you're smart enough to figure out what is right".

it basically reminded me of some of our higher thoughts discussions on yahooka....perry managed in that comment to make a completely true statement, which puts him in a class much better than people like glen beck or like some crazy alabama congressman or something... but at the same time, he managed to play to his base at least somewhat and be like, well its got some gaps, so the evangelicals can be like "oh horray god fills the gaps"...

whatever. but like , what he said is true. he didnt insist creationism was good, he didnt even focus on creationism... it was all a question of whether evolution can explain everything....which, as many know, it simply doesnt.

so. rich perry managed to distill , at least imo, the reason why some people have trouble with evolution, even tho they find creationism borderline ridiculous.... because like, we arent sure....so its really up to each person to look at the evidence and decide for themselves....he didnt say he thought evolution was right or that he thought creationism was wrong...he simply said , correctly, that evolution "has some gaps" at present.

so, i dunno how much of a big deal it is, but perry has already been appealing to evangelicals and southerners...and if he talks like this philosophical stuff and doesnt throw his eggs all in with the crazy southern gop and tea party people, then he probably stands a good change of appealing to the northeastern and establishment repubs who were turned off by all the theological and religious pandering that those southern gop people seem to always do.

might even be able to scoop up some moderate dems and independents with that kind of talk. i mean hell... i wish obama would talk like that about his programs too- perrys comment is like a case study of how to NOT demagogue- he didnt tell you what to believe, he didnt call those who think one way or the other idiots or retarded or tea party terrorists or stupid liberals ... etc... he put the onus on the individual by saying "i hope your smart enough to figure out which is true"...and he rightly expressed the sentiment that theories of evolution and scientific explanations for those things are not 100% certain and have various gaps that have yet to be explained.

pretty impressive if you ask me.

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Terry

I think he's a far right nutjob and his nomination would further split the Republican party and hand Obama an easy victory.

GOP should go with someone who isn't completely insane like Ron Paul or Mitt Romney.

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Dr. ShinDig

please... Perry's answer on evolution was basically a personal question he was quietly addressing to a single person. I doubt he'd be that open to real possibilities if he was speaking on record. It was still even just an evasion to the question really.

What I'm really pissed about is that you republicans are completely shunning Ron Paul. In 08 I voted for Obama and for 2012 I'm looking to honestly vote for someone else. The problem is you fucking republicans cant give me one person worth voting for. Perry has no shot at the presidency, neither does Bachman. Romney tried in 08 and really didn't get too close and I don't see how he's good enough to do any better now (except for the lack of true competition). I can tell you I personally would not vote for any of these 3. Ron Paul is the only candidate I would actually want to vote for and really has the best chance to win if you morons would just realize it and invest in it. Think about it. RP appeals to both democrats and republicans and you know there's no way in hell any republicans are going to vote Obama. If you dimwits would realize what you have you would see that you could get all of the republican vote and even steal a chunk of the democratic vote and appeal to the libertarians & Independents! How could you lose? Instead Fox news gives more coverage to Sarah fuckin Palin than they do a serious candidate.

It's bad enough you republicans have gummed up the works on really accomplishing anything in the past few years, and after all of your critisizm of Obama you cant even come up with a candidate who can actually beat him and then shun the only one who possibly could. You know it just plain looks like your politicians are more concerned with destroying Obama than they are helping their own country. Morons!!! This is why our country cant have nice things anymore.

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John F. Kerry

interesting fellas..

why u gotta be like 'you republicans' haha. i vote for ...um....some cool democrat, like, arent there some good ones in north dakota or some shit? i mean damn they gotta be there somewhere?


but seriously, if either party would do it mang, you could watch me support either party.

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stoneric

You're comparing him to a man who is afraid to leave the country because he's worried about being charged with war crimes and you think that is a "considerably less of a problem than the other guys"? You were right about him being a bush clone but then you go right back to making me wonder if you have a complete blackout of the bush years.

Dr. Nick Nasty

Perry is a Christo-Fascist who co-opts libertarian-Texan rhetoric vs. Ron Paul, who lives his values. It really sucks the Old Anti-Imperialist Right can't fight off the Neocons. It's a bigger tragedy that Dems have basically become Reagan Republicans. It's a sad story that neither Greens nor Libertarians can mobilize anyone to them.

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Mercury

there's a frightful chance we could end up with a president sarah or michelle. people looking to compound the progressivness of electing a black president might also vote based on sex this time around.

as far as rick perry, he's just the token texas cowboy. i don't see much interest in him in oregon or the northwest in general. from what i see, Romney has been the republican forerunner this entire time and i don't see him being slowed by anyone, and that's just fine with me. He is by far the most qualified and proven candidate in the field.

zerodown

The one? the best person to represent you is yourself. I will never vote for none of this mother fuckers, even Ron who I admit is the most decent candidate in the whole United States. I can represent myself thank you.

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Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
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stoneric

But how many old anti-imperialist righties still exist? How many anti-imperialist, right or left, still exist? Imperialism has been redefined so we don't come off as to sovietesque.

stoneric

It's great to be an anarchist but you need anarchy to make it work.

Kompressor

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"Corporations are people, my friend."

Corporations are now recognized by law as being having human rights, so they must human. Right?

So, if a Corporation has transferable shares owned by individual stockholders, they own a piece of a person-or people if they own shares of many different corporations.

Citizens United and Mitt are both okay with you, a person, being owned by other people.



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Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Rick Perry Announces His Candidacy - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

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Grieves

Wasn't Rick Perry the name of a wrestling personality?

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John F. Kerry

i actually meant "sounds" like him like his voice and speaking delivery are quite similar. not necessarily content.

but way to put words in my mouth kinda... i feel like your learning from me or something

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OldMan&TheWeed

Perry's opinions on science, both evolution or climate change, could be dismissed as quaint if he did not have the possibility of becoming the most powerful single man on the planet.

It's troubling that some of us choose our president based on his or her capacity for irrationality.

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That was Rick Fairy.

DdC

WTF, did you come from offspring born in Berlin after they bombed their house? Seeking revenge on the Amerikaner Schweinehund? Why do you always cuddle up to those seeking to destroy America? Every single time. What is it that would make someone give up their entire soul and being towards another's profit? Perry was serving coffee to daddy boosh when junior got the christmas present as Texas governor. Perry was then transferred to the governors mansion, when dubya was handed the white house by the supremes. Gutting the same social programs, oil regulations and making a joke of education. Ignorance with a diploma. And the drug wars been going on nearly a century ya say, wonder the fuck why? He beat Kay Baily with Boosh Money, then Hightower with Rove's oil reserve 4 million. Now he's got a wild hair up his ass that he thinks gods earthly [strike]prophets[/strike] profits have chosen him to lead the way to the GOPer promised land of outsourcing, no taxes back to the people all taxes to the military, petrochemicals/drugs and prisons. Rove now thinks he created an uppity monster. These are the vicious dung worriers and thug tzars like what Bennett and Walter spring from. Get a grip.

Taxes are for roads, schools, parks, food, clothing and health care for American citizens. Not seculators and oil subsidies while gutting pell grants for kids directly or by segregating stoners. Selling pisstastes, prison cells bringing more back to DC than a Koch Bros Wall Mart St. endentured servant. Trying to stigmatize those making a proper living wage. Not golden parachutes or billion dollar oprah's and paris hiltons. Shop till ya drop at corporate outlets taking it from local communities giving it to multi national conglomerants. Crap. Boycott Pisstasters for a start. Business runs the drug war, and most of the politicians. At least enough to prevent checks and balances and sane elections. Every partisan diversion bickering and being ugly prevents a united state that could be easily accomplished if we just simply dealt with reality and not legalize shuck and jive gossip. It's not a true republican I have a problem with, or a true democrat, libertarian, green, yellow, black, white or purple. It's the Neoconstitutionalist s. Neoconpromisers, Pathetic Appeasers and DEAth Merchants selling a Trillion dollar war while babies go hungry. Protect the Whales and Junkies?

What makes someone such a coward that they have to legislate behind closed doors and make special rules in court so a sick person can't use a medical defense. Shelter their taxes in Cayman Island Banks without one dime coming back to repair the roads their own trucks tore up. They want private schools and gut any pell grants. Been there done that asswipes. It leaves a whole heap of stupid people. Easier to manipulate and herd into low wages. Except those uppity ones smoking that marigwanna. Gots to shut the lid on that. Monsanto to the rescue. Cloned Frankenseeds and all of them Terminators. Keeps you coming back for more. Thousands lost their farms in India. But hey if you're willing to put seniors on the street of your own country I have little doubt how you feel about the planet in general. Perry created more minimum wage jobettes than all 50 states combined. His plan apparently was to take businesses from the other states. That's his National Plan. Some have pointed out a flaw or two. But it isn't these Ron Paul hijackers obviously over the top and little threat to win. It's why seemingly average income saps keep falling for their same ole line of shit. The only goal is to get elected. You can't gut environmental safeguards if you're truthful campaigning and lose. Or if you're not properly funded, where does that money go? Madison Avenue. Was it Madison who wrote that Liberty depends on special effects, buzzword games and 30 seconds of concentrated gossip soundbites with weird images into voters homes.

Video fun dwr

I hadn’t really taken much notice of this Rick Perry guy. I mean I’d read about him, but I hadn’t actually seen him in action… until now.

Hoo boy.



This is both a dim bulb and a true believer! In this video, he’s convinced that abstinence-only education works, despite all evidence, because to believe otherwise would threaten his world view. Therefore any “facts” that show otherwise are simply… unimportant.



Tell Holder: Protect Every Citizen's Right to Vote!

Ron Paul accuses the CIA, Bush sr, and the democrats of drug trafficking

Jon Stewart Scolds Media For Ignoring Rep. Ron Paul
"I Mean, Fuck That Guy, Right?"

Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study
Conservatives Have Larger 'Fear Centers' in Their Brains
Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.


Perry, Romney Burnish Drug Warrior Credentials

Krugman: The Texas unmiracle
What Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs — which is, whatever Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice — involves a fallacy of composition: Every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.

Guide to Rick Perry’s record
Aug. 15: Jim Hightower, former Agriculture Commissioner of Texas, and Erica Grieder, who covers Texas for The Economist, join The Last Word with details on the Texas governor and his stance on the issues.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry laments lack of federal aid for wildfires

Scary Rick Perry embraces the Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation movement
Rick Perry seems to be laying the groundwork for a religious crusade for the presidency by courting some Pentecostal self styled prophets and apostles leading the New Apostolic Reformation movement. What is the New Apostolic Reformation movement? This comes from what should be a must read article at the Texas Observer:




Rick Perry's Army of God
By Forrest Wilder, Texas Observer
On this day, the Lord's messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor's office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles.


Some hateful, radical ministers -- white evangelicals -- are acceptable
Tim Russert demanded that Obama jump through multiple hoops to prove that he has no connection to -- and, in fact, "rejects" -- the ideas espoused by Farrakhan deemed to be radical and hateful.





I heard on the aniversary of Elvis' death,
Bachmann wished him a Happy Birthday.

Gov. Rick Perry's big donors fare well in Texas
Many of the GOP presidential candidate's mega-donors have won hefty contracts or appointments. Perry's aides vigorously dispute that any got special perks. Texas Gov. Rick Perry has powered his political career on the largesse of donors like Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons, who gave the governor $1.12 million in recent years.

Related Tweets" LATimes looks at big donors to Rick Perry
and the business contracts & tax breaks many of them reaped.



Texas Gov. Rick Perry campaigns in Iowa for the Republican presidential nomination. A Times analysis finds his mega-donors have fared well during his tenure in Texas; his aides deny the donors got special perks. (Chip Somodevilla, Getty Images / August 15, 2011)


Rick Perry is affiliated with a group called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), a religious sect whose goal is to subvert democracy and replace it with a full blown theocracy. The NAR and Perry would give the sadomorality cops free reign over American society. More here:

STATE OF THE UNION: CORRUPT

Neocon Teabogs Really Are "Bloodlusting Terrorists"
How Neo-Cons, Neo-Nazis And Neo-McVeighs
Crashed Ron Paul’s Tea Party
The Tea Party, which started off as a Libertarian protest against taxes and government, has turned into a right wing, corporate sponsored, racist hate-fest. Three groups have joined the Libertarian founders of the Tea Party movement to add money, racism, hatred and conspiracy theory based paranoia to the Tea Pot.


Are the Teabogs Traitors, Serving a Southern Neoconfederacy?




thought people from foreign countries like Texas were ineligible.

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Roach

that's what we democrats are counting on

and so far it's working. The more nutjobs the republicans offer up the better we look.

they have what, 8 or 10 nominees now. And all have serious mental issues.

I love it.

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Dr. Nick Nasty

yeah but there's always that remnant, that stubborn few who carry on--they are a few too, and usually not close to power. but the fact that they exist says something.

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