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Old 09-07-2011, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Patriot Act Wire Tapping!

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But the people who said it would be used to grow the governments scope beyond terrorism were kooks, right?????
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the kookiest.

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America is not now a ruthless authoritarian police state, but our concerns ought to be whether we have laid the foundation of a more docile police state. The love of liberty has been so diminished that we tolerate intrusions into our privacy today that would have been abhorred just a few years ago. Tolerance of inconvenience to our liberties is not uncommon when both personal and economic fears persist. The sacrifices being made to our liberties will surely usher in a system of government that will place only those who enjoy being in charge of running other peoples lives. What then is the answer? Is America a police state? My answer is maybe, not yet. But it is fast approaching. The seeds have been sown and many of our basic protections against tyranny have been and are constantly being undermined. The post-9-11 atmosphere here in Congress has provided ample excuse to concentrate on safety at the expense of liberty, failing to recognize that we cannot have one without the other.

When the government keeps detailed records on every move we make and we either need advanced permission for everything we do or are penalized for not knowing what the rules are, America will be a declared police state. Personal privacy for law-abiding citizens will be a thing of the past. Enforcement of laws against economic and political crimes will exceed that of violent crimes. War will be the prerogative of the administration. Civil liberties will be suspended for suspects and their prosecution will not be carried out by an independent judiciary. In a police state this becomes common practice rather than a rare incident.

Some argue that we already live in a police state and Congress does not have the foggiest notion of what we are dealing with. So forget it and use your energies for your own survival, some advise. And they advise also that the momentum toward the monolithic state cannot be reversed.

Possibly that is true. But I am optimistic that if we do the right thing and do not capitulate to popular fallacies and fancies and the incessant war propaganda, the onslaught of statism can be reversed. To do so, we as a people once again have to dedicate ourselves to establishing the proper role a government plays in a free society. That does not involve the redistribution of wealth through force. It does not mean that government dictates to us the moral and religious standards of the people.

It does not allow us to police the world by involving ourselves in every conflict as if it is our responsibility to manage an American world empire. But it does mean government has a proper role in guaranteeing free markets, protecting voluntary and religious choices and guaranteeing private property ownership while punishing those who violate these rules, whether foreign or domestic.

In a free society, the government’s job is simply to protect liberty. The people do the rest. Let us not give up a grand experiment that provided so much for so many. Let us reject the police state
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And our country is doing nothing about it.
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imo, it's because those who oppose the police state (left, right or apolitical) are marginalized by the MSM and dismissed by the establishment

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old news...

It's been a police "world" for some time now.

patriot act just brings it all home.

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The govt is blatantly lying to us; and this won't even so much as get 2 minutes discussion on TV.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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And our country is doing nothing about it.

Neocons you support took our country... Before 9.11

Noam Chomsky: 9/11 and the Imperial Mentality
A number of analysts have observed that although bin Laden was finally killed, he won some major successes in his war against the U.S. "He repeatedly asserted that the only way to drive the U.S. from the Muslim world and defeat its satraps was by drawing Americans into a series of small but expensive wars that would ultimately bankrupt them," Eric Margolis writes. "'Bleeding the U.S.,' in his words." The United States, first under George W. Bush and then Barack Obama, rushed right into bin Laden’s trap..

PATRIOT Ax Targeted Drug Offenders
The Bush administration sold the PATRIOT Act's expansion of law enforcement powers, including "sneak and peek" searches in which the target of the search is never notified that his home has been searched, as necessary to defend the citizens of the US from terrorist attacks, but that's not how federal law enforcement has used its sweeping new powers.

9/11: A Murderous PR Stunt
That Launched A Deadly Decade-Long Propaganda War

Why Are the Corporate Media In Denial About the Right-Wing Terrorist Threat?

Chuck Hagel Slams The ‘Astounding Lack of Responsible Leadership’ in the GOP
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US Uncut Exposes Rush Limbaugh with One Simple Question

“…several multi-billion dollar corporations paid their CEOs more than they pay the government in taxes. Now I know how you feel about folks, I mean individuals who don’t pay their taxes, but I want to know how you feel about corporations that don’t pay taxes. Do you have the same antagonism for them?”

Rush: “How do I feel about how he felt about corporations that don’t pay income taxes?”

Carl: “No, corporations.”

Rush: “No, you said you know how I feel about individuals that don’t pay taxes… How do I feel about that?”

Carl: “Well, I’ve heard you refer to the 47% of Americans that don’t pay taxes.”

Rush: “Well, that’s… uh… they’re not illegally avoiding taxes, they don’t have to pay taxes because they’ve been exempted. Their votes are being purchased.”

Carl: “Well, they have to pay a third of their income in sales and property and payroll and excise taxes too… but..”

Rush: “Look, the only major corporation I know not paying US taxes is General Electric.”

Carl: “GE, EBAY, Verizon, Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Bank of America, Citibank, I mean I can go on…”

Rush: “Are you trying to tell me that every one of those corporations pay zero US taxes?”

Carl: “Zero US taxes Rush. Sometimes they get money back from the federal government.”



Bush Cabal Hides Patriot II Police State in HR2417
It appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular "Patriot II" legislation that was first leaked several months ago. Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot II act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret. Whatever the case, this is outrageous and unacceptable. I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of Federal police powers.

Secret Searches Bill Passes - 05/27/00

The Anti-Meth Bill - Washington Post - 06/04/00

Legislation Introduced to Overturn DC Initiative - 06/04/00

The Day Ashcroft Censored Freedom Of Information

Meth Bill/Free Speech by Richard Lake - 06/11/00



Congressional Black Caucus stepping up?

A piece of good news in Congress. Howard Wooldridge tells me that the Congressional Black Caucus, led by John Conyers, has begun to sponsor HR 2306 (“Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011″) with four signed on and more expected. Also Raul Grijalva is the first, but will not be the last, Hispanic representative to sign on.

This is great news. I’ve given the black caucus a hard time in the past for their opposition to reforms that would help their constituents, but this is a very positive sign.

This isn’t going to happen immediately, but getting more people to sign on to this bill will have an impact down the road.

Here’s one Representative, however, who has said that he will vote “NO” on 2306: Rep. Randy Neugebauer of Texas.

Take a look at what’s important to Neugebauer on his House site:

House Republicans launched the 10th Amendment Task Force this week that is dedicated to developing and promoting proposals that aim to disperse power, decision-making, and money from Washington back to states, local governments, and individuals. I am honored to be one of the 10 original founders of this group.

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” –James Madison, Federalist Papers, No. 45, January 26, 1788

The goal here is simple: We want to empower the American people to take their place in governing this nation, not bureaucrats in Washington. The 10th Amendment doesn’t support a government run from the top down. It ensures a government run from the bottom up, by the people. The American people want real choice and a real vision for a better government. What we need to is to restore power back to the people and get back in line with the conservative principles of our Founding Fathers.

Except marijuana.

Here’s Congressman Neugebauer’s Facebook Page, in case any of you want to point out that it’s hard to justify supporting the tenth amendment and yet opposing the elimination of federal prohibition of marijuana.



The Police Staate Cometh by Rep.Ron Paul
"No class or group or party in Germany could escape its share of responsibility for the abandonment of the democratic Republic and the advent of Adolf Hitler. The cardinal error of the Germans who opposed Nazism was their failure to unite against it. ....the 63% of the German people who expressed their opposition to Hitler were much too divided and shortsighted to combine against a common danger which they must have known would overwhelm them unless they united, HOWEVER TEMPORARY, to stamp it out."
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I don't see how JP is a neocon.

Were you dropped as an infant?
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I don't see how JP is a neocon.

Were you dropped as an infant?

He has no idea what the term means. He's more than content with being willfully ignorant.
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Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military power to topple American enemies and promote liberal democracy in other countries.
The movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great Society's welfare programs.
Although neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party. Most neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.




probably not a neocon by classic definition...somethi ng more like a teabagger.
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Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military power to topple American enemies and promote liberal democracy in other countries.
The movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great Society's welfare programs.
Although neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party. Most neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.




probably not a neocon by clasic definition...somethi ng more like a teabagger.


If you gotta classify me as that... Still inaccurate as all fuck; but better than neocon, I guess.
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JP is a right winger but so are most douchey military types. Not his fault really he just let the alpha dog culture become a part of his being and it's made him pretty ignorant politically.

Not a neocon by any sense of the word.
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become a part of his being and it's made him pretty ignorant politically.
I feel the same way about progressives and altruism.
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Nope, He's a Neocon Teabagging is his hobby.
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No wonder we butt heads a little.
What is the point of a poli board if everyone basically shares the same ideals. It turns into commiserating circle jerk.

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Going to see if one could 'like' tea-bagging' on some FB page







Altruism is probably a large part of the reason we are still alive today....


That is... our parents didn't choke us to death.... even though they tried.... and came close.....


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