Jewish Pork

And after we talked about people misusing the the term fascist....

I'm disappointed, Terry.

Terry

I was just trying to get a rise out of ya JP

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mothernature

Why is it when you're talking about yourself it's "contractual benefit(s)", but when you talk about others it's "entitlements"?

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DdC

Number of poor hit record 46 million in 2010

A record 46 million Americans were living in poverty in 2010, pushing the U.S. poverty rate to its highest level since 1993, according to a government report on Tuesday on the grim effects of stubbornly high unemployment.

SOUTH FARES WORST

The numbers would have been worse, analysts said, but for government assistance programs including extended unemployment compensation, stimulus spending and Obama's health reforms, which appeared to reduce the number of uninsured young adults.

In Obama's hometown of Chicago, Salvation Army Major David Harvey knows well the effects of grinding poverty on the city's South Side, where he attended a food giveaway on Tuesday.

"There are more families falling into poverty," he said. "That's multiplied on the South Side of Chicago where there are pockets with 20 percent, or more, unemployment."

Why Are 46 Million Americans Living in Poverty?

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Hunger & Poverty Statistics

Learn about hunger statistics in America.

Poverty Statistics i

* In 2009, 43.6 million people (14.3 percent) were in poverty.
* In 2009, 8.8 (11.1% percent) million families were in poverty.
* In 2009, 24.7 million (12.9 percent) of people aged 18-64 were in poverty.
* In 2009, 15.5 million (20.7 percent) children under the age of 18 were in poverty.
* In 2009, 3.4 million (8.9 percent) seniors 65 and older were in poverty.

Hunger Statistics on Food Insecurity and Very Low Food Security ii

* In 2009, 50.2 million Americans lived in food insecure households, 33 million adults and 17.2 million children
* In 2009, 14.7 percent of households (17.4 million households) were food insecure.
* In 2009, 5.7 percent of households (6.8 million households) experienced very low food security.
* In 2009, households with children reported food insecurity at almost double the rate for those without children, 21.3 percent compared to 11.4 percent.
* In 2009, households that had higher rates of food insecurity than the national average included households with children (21.3 percent), especially households with children headed by single women (36.6 percent) or single men (27.8 percent), Black non-Hispanic households (24.9 percent) and Hispanic households (26.9 percent).
* In 2009, 7.8 percent of seniors living alone (884,000 households) were food insecure.

Hunger Statistics on the use of Emergency Food Assistance and Federal Food Assistance Programs

* In 2009, 4.8 percent of all U.S. households (5.6 million households) accessed emergency food from a food pantry one or more times. ii
* In 2009, food insecure (low food security or very low food security) households were 15 times more likely than food-secure households to have obtained food from a food pantry. ii
* In 2009, food insecure (low food security or very low food security) households were 19 times more likely than food-secure households to have eaten a meal at an emergency kitchen.ii
* In 2009, 57 percent of food-insecure households participated in at least one of the three major Federal food assistance programs –Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly Food Stamp Program), The National School Lunch Program, and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children.ii Feeding America provides emergency food assistance to an estimated 37 million low-income people annually, a 46 percent increase from 25 million since Hunger In America 2006 iii
* Feeding America provides emergency food assistance to approximately 5.7 million different people per week. iii
* Among members of Feeding America, 74 percent of pantries, 65 percent of kitchens, and 54 percent of shelters reported that there had been an increase since 2006 in the number of clients who come to their emergency food program sites. iii

Five states exhibited statistically significant higher household food insecurity rates than the U.S. national average 2007-2009: 1

1. Arkansas 17.7%
2. Mississippi 17.1%
3. Georgia 15.6%
4. Texas 17.4%
5. North Carolina 14.8%

i U.S. Census Bureau.Carmen DeNavas-Walt, B. Proctor, C. Lee. Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007.

ii USDA.Mark Nord, M. Andrews, S. Carlson. Household Food Security in the United States, 2009.

iii Rhoda Cohen, J. Mabli, F. Potter, Z. Zhao.Hunger in America 2010.Feeding America.

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The piss poor fact of the matter in real time terms is that Americans are worth more to International Prison Industries, Telemarketing and Obombo's Tax Base by caging those with incomes less than the cost of incarceration. In real terms of coarse its a scam. You pay both of the Public and Private Penal System in taxes. Out going taxes spent on cronies creating incoming taxes. To those receiving the money. It trickles into the pasture and the sheep eat it up. Just doing their jobs.

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SageTree

Dude, talk to someone who was abused mentally/physically/sexually and tell me they are 'all good'. My Wife is a trauma-abuse counselor, I'm not going to claim to know everything about it because of that, but I have to say, your conclusions are some what misguided. There are all sorts of studies that show how people who have suffered abuse have higher instances of improper mental development and illness.

I myself was abused mentally/physically... and while I have worked through a lot of those issues, there are still plenty of ways that it creeps back into my life, but I'm not going to start naming examples of what I see as long-term effects of that abuse.

Fact, most abusers have been abused themselves.
So when we're locking up 'such and so sex offender' we REALLY ought to be looking into who else is up for some time to serve as well.

Thanks for adding this roach.

Generalizations make the world hard to live in Brother.

Good point. OMG SOCIALISMZZZZZ!!!!!! !!!

I don't ever know where to start JFK.
And I'm not clear on what you are saying really, sorry.
I think you're addressing me some what? Is that correct?

The only thing I'll comment on for now is the bold text....







Thanks for taking the time to type out some reply....

I DO hope however you'll go back and look more deeply and answer a few more of my questions.

That is very nice of you... Thanks for helping out a fellow human.

I'm going to relish the bold/underline for a second....

How much of the AF Aid Society's donations go to it's participants?
How much over head is there?
Is it possible that the AFAS can run more efficiently because it's workers are already paid gov't employees?

FYI.... the standard goal in %age of money 'to the mission' in most charity organizations is 75%-80%.... And Uncle Sam could take a lesson from that for sure.... cause he isn't working with budgets like that for sure.


While I concur there should/could/ought to be measure to make sure the money is being spent more effectively, my issue comes in with WHY the money is tight in the first place, and imo, there are more places to 'WATCH OVER THE SPENDING' that just in social services and aid.

Again.... generalizations make the world a hard place to cope with.
You ought to focus on MORE of the stories where people are helped and get off social assistance programmes.... perhaps see the good might give you a little confidence in the way things really are.

I know folks who 'live on the till', I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't exist. But honestly... many of them have mental illness and genuine disabilities that keep them from working, or doing much work at all.

What do we do with them folks?
Are you in favour of more state hospitals and institutions?
Do you envision a way in which we can help dissolve the conditions which get people into the health/mental states as well as the state of being born into poverty?

I'm not jerking you around here... I'm honestly just picking your brain.

This basically asserts the preponderance that I had about you feeling like you are having your money 'stolen' from you. That's really all I see in this.

Well... I felt like the gov't was STEALING my money to wage wars I don't believe in....

So where does that leave us on the 'stealing' point?

Again with analogies.....

Just answer without one dude.

All I really see is the bold text in which you again think that poor people should have incentive through punishment... I mean... 'getting what they deserve'.... kind of like how they ought to cook in their single room housing w/out any air conditioning.


I'm not picking on you man, I don't dislike you, and I don't want to ban you for being here. You have opinions I don't agree with, so don't take it personally. I'm not attacking you, necessarily, and I don't mean for hard questioning to come off that way. So please understand, like I said early in this thread, this is an issue that is really close to me personally and I have a hard time understanding exactly where you come from with all of this.

We have different solutions for the same problem.... well... if you could call what you're saying solutions.....


Now see... that is what I dig looks like.... and I'm just kidding about it btw.... just trying to lighten the mood dood.

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Jewish Pork

Because I actually signed a contract.

Was this meant to be rhetorical?

Jewish Pork

I agree with you that these people need to be taken care of; but it needs to be by charity. Not the govt.

How do you even figure it's the government's job?

SageTree

How do you instill charity in the hearts of millions?

I believe a lot of folks need to know 'what in it for them'.

So, How do you get people to wrap their heads around helping to create a healthy, well educated society, in order to create a more stable society?

My piece:

I believe that a lot of the bad things that happen in our world, I'll go to that extent, is because of division/discrimination and economic divide/disparity.

People who are on the metaphorical 'bottom' or 'edge' of society, for whatever reason, will resort to risky and harmful behaviour to 'keep up' with what society deems necessary to fit in or in order to obtain what they need to cope with not being able to do so.

People want to have, without the funds or people who want to forget, who can't afford what it takes to numb themselves.

Imo, that is a large contributor to crime and self-harming drug abuse.

Combine that with the normalize effect of violence and I feel that makes for a deadly poison in our world.


So, again I ask, how do you convince people that giving is 'worth while' and 'in their best interest'?

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Roach

I agree somewhat , and disagree somewhat. There are far too many "charities" (charitable organizations) that do absolutely nothing first of all.

I do feel it's the governments responsability to help, but help is not always in the form of "handouts"...to that I'll agree.

I feel that a reasonable portion of unemployed and welfare recipients could, and should, be retrained/re-educated with job placement as the ultimate goal, rather than perpetual assistance. This provides jobs for trainers and evaluation personel also. Those people do not necessarilly need to be government employees either, there are mass numbers of employers, and higher learning institutions already receiving government subsidies/tax incentives, that do not include such rehabilitative services. Simply make those requirements as a condition of receiving such subsidies and tax breaks. This would greatly reduce the cost of both welfare and unemployment, and provide increased revenue.

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Jewish Pork

Talking to them.... Convince them that helping out people in need will make them feel warm in fuzzy inside. Being able to help people and having the means to do so is probably the best natural high I can get. I feel that people should at least have a say so in who their charity is going to.

Having the government do it is not the way though.

SageTree

Fair enough....

I'm not sure you replied to all the questions I had, but hey..... it's a cruel world and we don't always get what we want

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stoneric

Probably has something to do with paying into a system for 40+ years and being made out to be a drain on society. While you, just by signing a contract, are "entitled" to what you get.

DdC

You being Naive is the understatement of the week. Talk to them? Their unalienable right to access public property is now, or rather again left up to the kindness of the people. Same crap by the greedy. Same as taking a quadriplegic in a wheel chair and waiting for a kind stranger to carry them u the stairs because low life's like you don't want taxes spent on ramps. Just plain ugly.

Been there dipshit, done that and guess what? The rich bastards can't wipe their own ass let alone take time to feel all fuzzy about helping the poor. Why do you think they get tax shelters? They won't spend their cash on anything without return on the investment. You are the most gullible twit I've seen on these boards. Thats including Merc. Why don't you try convincing me asswipe?

Yes it's called doing random acts of kindness. The same brain endorphins are released as when moneysluts buy trinkets. Only you don't have to go through any shit getting the money. Same warm fuzzy feeling. But it can't be mandated. It can't even be a reward or incentive since the only way it works is by random acts. You take new age philosophy and try applying it to teabags solutions to taxes deadbeat republicans steal from the people.. Pitifool, but that's no surprise.

Well that is no surprise either. Greedy bastards never give charity so its not going to be a problem If anyone chooses to donate to anyone or any place it goes without strings. You only have a choice to give, not where the money goes. Or how it is spent. That's a dictatorship. Charity should be unnecessary and would be for the most part if we demanded living wages as the minimum wage and killed trickle down labor going to Thailand and India. Selfish, greedy spoiled brat is still all I see in you boy.

Totally asinine statement since the government is we the people. It would be better if the corporations paid their share and government handouts weren't necessary. As long as the rich horde their responsibility in bank vaults stealing from the people. Then those falling through the cracks will need assistance to uphold their Constitutional rights. You and the neo-nazi's just have no compassion for Americans. Totally understandable. Boosh's daddy left an indelible mark on his kid and grandkids. They hate Americans, just like you.

Are the Teabogs Traitors, Serving a Southern Neoconfederacy?

No money for Special Need Quadriplegics, Plenty for the Military Imperialism Complex. Neocon pork is a sorry ass excuse for a human being if you ask me.

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DdC

Moneysluts taking us back to child labor and soup lines as the forefathers intended? It boggles the mind how so called Americans can beg for a drug war to persecute American citizens or to take assistance from impoverished Americans in the name of Freedom and Liberty? Just plain old stingy whiskey mean perverts bringing shame on all Americans.

Bush Crimes Against Humanity



The Great Depression and Labor

The Great Depression of the 1930s changed Americans' view of unions. Although AFL membership fell to fewer than 3 million amidst large-scale unemployment, widespread economic hardship created sympathy for working people. At the depths of the Depression, about one-third of the American work force was unemployed, a staggering figure for a country that, in the decade before, had enjoyed full employment. With the election of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932, government -- and eventually the courts -- began to look more favorably on the pleas of labor. In 1932, Congress passed one of the first pro-labor laws, the Norris-La Guardia Act, which made yellow-dog contracts unenforceable. The law also limited the power of federal courts to stop strikes and other job actions.

Profound Hatred for Democracy



Compensation and Working Conditions

Although some improvements had been made, working conditions were harsh at the beginning of the 20th century. During these early years of the century, pay was low, workweeks were long, business conditions were volatile, competition for jobs was intense (due, in part, to immigration) and employees were unquestionably subject to the doctrine of employment-at-will.3 Also, there was little compensation beyond the paycheck. For example, retirement income depended almost exclusively on what one saved during one’s working life, 4 and there was no government or employer aid if workers suffered job-related injuries or lost their jobs. The first major social insurance program in the United States—workers’ compensation, which compensates workers for injury on the job through exclusive State insurance funds—was adopted first in Washington and Ohio in 1911.5

Tell Holder: Protect Every Citizen's Right to Vote!



Social Issues, 1929-1942

However, the seeds of a great depression had been planted in an era of prosperity that was unevenly distributed. In particular, the depression had already sprouted on the American farm and in certain industries.



America's Great Depression

Timeline

America's Great Depression is regarded as having begun in 1929 with the Stock Market crash, and ended in 1941 with America's entry into World War II. However, to fully understand the Great Depression, one must look at it in context of events that happened before and after those dates. For that reason, the timeline below includes events many decades before and after the Great Depression itself.

Several types of events are covered in the timeline below. The first is the passage of legislation that effects either the money supply, international trade, or price and wage controls. The second is important publications about economics. The third is business cycle peaks and troughs. The last is significant political and social events.



Child labor laws in the United States

In 1852, Massachusetts required children to attend school. In 1853, Charles Loring Brace founded the Children's Aid Society, which worked hard to take in children living on the street. The following year, the children were placed on a train headed for the West, where they were adopted, and often given work. By 1929, the orphan train had stopped running altogether, but its principles lived on.[clarification needed]

As the US industrialized, factory owners hired young workers for a variety of tasks. Especially in textile mills, children were often hired together with their parents. Many families in mill towns depended on the children's labor to make enough money for necessities.


"Addie Card, 12 years. Spinner in North Pormal [i.e., Pownal] Cotton Mill. Vt." by Lewis Hine

Labor Unions Rise

The rise of labor organizations resulted from the growth of industry in the 1920s and the devastating effects of the Great Depression in the 1930s.

During the Great Depression, unemployment was high. Many employers tried to get as much work as possible from their employees for the lowest possible wage. Workers were upset with the speedup of assembly lines, working conditions and the lack of job security. Seeking strength in unity, they formed unions.

Automobile workers organized the U.A.W. (United Automobile Workers of America) in 1935. General Motors would not recognize the U.A.W. as the workers' bargaining representative. Hearing rumors that G.M. was moving work to factories where the union was not as strong, workers in Flint began a sit-down strike on December 30, 1936.

The sit-down was an effective way to strike. When workers walked off the job and picketed a plant, management could bring in new workers to break the strike. If the workers stayed in the plant, management could not replace them with other workers.

Boycott Killoggs/Haliburton

Scientists Discover Why 1930s Dust Bowl Was So Bad



The Dust Bowl (Thanks to Kellogg's Greed)

"And then the dispossessed were drawn west- from Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New
Mexico; from Nevada and Arkansas, families, tribes, dusted out, tractored out.
Car-loads, caravans, homeless and hungry; twenty thousand and fifty thousand and
a hundred thousand and two hundred thousand. They streamed over the mountains,
hungry and restless - restless as ants, scurrying to find work to do - to lift, to push,
to pull, to pick, to cut - anything, any burden to bear, for food. The kids are hungry.
We got no place to live. Like ants scurrying for work, for food, and most of all for land."

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Another post of sundries brought to you by our favorite propagandist.

Stonie Jo

I only want to address this at the moment. I feel I am a very open-minded person. I know people who need help. I also know people who have been living on this welfare their whole lives and learned it from their parents. These people were abused as children and grew up ignorant of how the world works or maybe just being taught the way through life is to scam your way. I think these people should be sterilized. Don't kill me for saying it - it took me a long time to feel this way! These people have children only to up their aid payments. Then those children grow up learning this way of life and do it all over again. More kids, more payment! I also know of people who went to enough doctors that they finally found one who would do some major surgery on them for some bullshit and now they are disabled. Greed. Makes me sick!!

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I've thought of something cool a thousand times for this but as I sit here stoned right now I can't come up with any of them............

SageTree

And then there are folks like my Mother in law, with three kids under 7, who was screwed out of any support from her ex-husband, who was abusive and a serious drug abuser.

They lived off of assistance for a while, which still barely kept them fed and clothed very well.

Then my Mother in Law went to school, picked up a trade and slowly progressed her way off the assistance.

They aren't all fairy tales... but they aren't all nightmares either.

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Jewish Pork

Since you've asked me personal questions. I feel a right to ask some of you.


Have you or any member of your family ever received govt hand outs?
What do you do for a living? Is it a govt job?
What tax bracket do you fall into?




Edited for grammar.
Feel free not to answer any of these questions. I'm just starting to doubt how object you are on these maters.

DdC

Still a Troll.

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Terry

JP was right Ayn Rand wasn't a fascist she was more of a corporatist/social Darwinist.

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