Some statistics on the "poor"

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:05 PM

What Does it Really Mean to be Poor in America? - AskHeritage

Your thoughts, please.

Roach · 09-13-2011, 12:06 PM

Real Time with Bill Maher - The American Dream (August 5, 2011 8-5-2011) - YouTube

Roach · 09-13-2011, 12:09 PM

maybe tonight I'll post what it means to be "poor", from some people who aren't rich or republican, for a proper rebuttal.

kamikazi89 · 09-13-2011, 12:14 PM

i can't imagine raising a family of 4 on under $25,000 would be very easy..the stuff about TVs , DVDs computers don't tell us very much, to be honest

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach

maybe tonight I'll post what it means to be "poor", from some people who aren't rich or republican, for a proper rebuttal.

Interesting video (I really like Maher even though I don't always agree with him). And I'll be standing by for your post.

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kamikazi89

i can't imagine raising a family of 4 on under $25,000 would be very easy.

Have less kids if you can't afford them....?

**SageTree** · 09-13-2011, 12:18 PM

Well... my first thought is when I see these two blokes on the page next to the article telling me what they want me to know... I get suspicious.

But I'll let that go and keep reading.....

For starters, this is a hot topic for me as I work with people who are poor and live on the streets.

Poor seems relative to the culture that the poor are in, in my opinion.

I've seen the poor in other countries, and I'll say, America's poor don't always seem that poor in comparison.

But again...

Poor seems relative to the culture that the poor are in, in my opinion.

I'll refrain from comment, at the moment.

Without jumping to conclusions about what you want me to take from this...

Why don't you just lay it out?

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SageTree

Without jumping to conclusions about what you want me to take from this...

Why don't you just lay it out?

Some perspective on our "war on poverty."

What is the end goal?

Roach · 09-13-2011, 12:25 PM

60 million Americans are poor and hungry - YouTube

kamikazi89 · 09-13-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Pork

Have less kids if you can't afford them....?

not everybody starts out "poor"
i read a critique of this either at DailyKOS(which i don't particulary care for) or the columbia journalism review(which i love, much less partisan)..if i find it i'll post it later

also the comparison between germany and the US is bogus becuase the latter is a considerably older society living in a much smaller land area and the former has a higher % of people living in rural areas

**SageTree** · 09-13-2011, 12:30 PM

Read somethings about the measure of Poverty:

It's a little more complicated that the article presents....

The Census Stats are what the entire article was based on.

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The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau:

So....

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Recent poverty rates and guidelines:

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The poverty guideline figures are NOT the figures the Census Bureau uses to calculate the number of poor persons.

The figures that the Census Bureau uses are the poverty thresholds.

The Census Bureau provides an explanation of the difference between poverty thresholds and guidelines.

The Census Bureau uses a set of money income thresholds that vary by family size and composition to determine who is in poverty.

The 2010 figure for a family of 4 with no children under 18 years of age is $22,541, while the figure for a family of 4 with 2 children under 18 is $22,162.

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kamikazi89

not everybody starts out "poor"
i read a critique of this either at DailyKOS(which i don't particulary care for) or the columbia journalism review(which i love, much less partisan)..if i find it i'll post it later

Better financial planning would benefit a lot of these people. Regardless, I still don't see how one family's decision to have kids financially obligates another family (if that's where you were going with this).

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also the comparison between germany and the US is bogus becuase the latter is a considerably older society living in a much smaller land area and the former has a higher % of people living in rural areas

I'm not trying to be a dick... But you got "former" and "latter" wrong... And I still don't understand the point you're trying to make.

**SageTree** · 09-13-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Pork

Have less kids if you can't afford them....?

Good Gawd man.... I wish my life and thought process was a simple as yours.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Do you have any idea what I'm getting at?

Not everyone is born/created equal... despite what that little piece of paper says.

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach

60 million Americans are poor and hungry - YouTube

I'd pick this guy's argument apart if I really thought it would lead to something fruitful. =\

Roach · 09-13-2011, 12:35 PM

How the wealthiest American make money off the poor-1/2 - YouTube

kamikazi89 · 09-13-2011, 12:37 PM

i did get that backwards, and the point i'm trying to make is THE U.S. is a relatively young society with a lot more open space, and Germany is much, much smaller so the population density would be higher regardless of income...

and not every family of 4 starts out poor, most do start out young so financial planning can only go so far

Jewish Pork · 09-13-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SageTree

Read somethings about the measure of Poverty:

It's a little more complicated that the article presents....

The Census Stats are what the entire article was based on.

So....

I don't understand what you were trying to convey via the wiki page. Please clarify your point.

And the census has it's own criteria for determining "poverty" and just gave the %. The article, I believe, pulled stats from an independent study that's been around for a few months now.

Mercury · 09-13-2011, 12:40 PM

I have 4 of the things on this list.... I must really be up shit creek.

•80 percent of poor households have air conditioning
•Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks
•Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite television
•Two-thirds have at least one DVD player and 70 percent have a VCR
•Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers
•More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation
•43 percent have Internet access
•One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD television
•One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo

Seriously, except for the car, all of this crap is worth less than $1,000 if you're frugal enough. Even the poor can get a $1,000 credit card.

What is any of this supposed to mean?

kamikazi89 · 09-13-2011, 12:42 PM

do you understand the point i'm making about comparing the US to Germany now?

Roach · 09-13-2011, 12:43 PM

NEW WORLD ORDER This Will Make You Angry - YouTube

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,769 Times in 4,664 Posts	Well... my first thought is when I see these two blokes on the page next to the article telling me what they want me to know... I get suspicious. But I'll let that go and keep reading..... For starters, this is a hot topic for me as I work with people who are poor and live on the streets. Poor seems relative to the culture that the poor are in, in my opinion. I've seen the poor in other countries, and I'll say, America's poor don't always seem that poor in comparison. But again... Poor seems relative to the culture that the poor are in, in my opinion. I'll refrain from comment, at the moment. Without jumping to conclusions about what you want me to take from this... Why don't you just lay it out? __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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