wellfleation

How old are you? You sound like you are an 80-year-old bag of wind.

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stoneric

Are you an attention whore that just says stupid shit to get noticed? We have appeals so we don't fry innocent people numbnuts. Move to fucking china.

my_scatterheart

If nothing else, I think this is great because of not only the huge assortment of different people there, TOGETHER - but also the amazing amount of organization. The way they are running this is really impressive.

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fenderbender

so yeah


i decided to protest being awake and sleep in today.

PROTEST SUCCESSFUL



if i can go another day soon, i will.

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Galt

Yup ...mighty impressive. And I'm guessin' you think the government does a really fine job of managing money, if you're that easily impressed.
You're spot on about the "different" people there though.
Praise Jesus that they don't reflect any norm.

I'm totally down with real evil residing and playing on Wall Street, but their enabling fucktard cousins at the Fed are where the freak show should have gone, especially given the timing of the recent GAO partial audit of the Fed. This is huge news and an unbelievable fucking of the American people, and yet the MSM is....(cricket chirp).

The Fed Audit - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

This is the true how and why of us being so fucked. The Fed should be burnt to the ground with all of its minions and worthless scrip locked inside.
Ron Paul is a modern day Nostrafuckingdamus!

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my_scatterheart

blahblahfuckingblah. Why're you so hostile?

The general assemblies, etc. this protest has implemented, and all the legal and logistical research these folks did a month beforehand is more than I've seen in any semi-recent protests. It's a good thing. Please shut the fuck up. Thanks!

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Galt

Pardon moi! I keep forgetting...dissent is the exclusive right of the enlightened.

Research? The things that they have mentioned variously as being the reason(s) for protesting are as disjointed as it gets. If Wall Street has them fired up then it would have made sense to try and bring attention to the real causes of the problems and tried to present a more focused message, rather than all of the errant blather about Mao for Prez and let's go communist. I'm guessing the research was about what park policy was for bummin' and how much cash do they need from Anonymous or whoever to keep from gettin' busted as vagrants.

It just seems silly to go through all of that only to end up being so easily marginalized as a joke.

There are numerous real problems that need to be brought to the sheeple's attention, particularly regarding Wall Street, and public protest can be a very effective means of accomplishing that. My main contention is that they have wasted a huge opportunity and made it easy for them to be ignored. More like could'a been a good thing.
Check out some of the news covering Wall Street...they're all laughing at them.

Sorry 'bout the hostile feel. The hate is meant for the bankers. The sarcasm is for the protesters.

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my_scatterheart

Clearly you haven't actually read much about the organization of the protest. They have in place a wonderfully organized and efficient assembly system.

I'm not arguing about whether what they (we) are doing is going to create change. I think creating tangible change in this format is, indeed, a lofty goal. I think what it IS capable of is creating dialogue. Even if it's not a dialogue had by CEOs or those at the helm - even if it is just blue collar Americans - THAT is a success. This is an apathetic nation uneducated about what's REALLY happening. To get the ball rolling, to start a discussion, to get people thinking about the changes they want to see, NEED to see, is a step in the right direction. A step. Progress. That's important enough (to me) to be pleased with what might come across as small victories.
But you can shit on that dialogue and say it's small potatoes all you want - fact of the matter is, some of us are trying, however small the steps may be at this juncture. I reckon it's probably better than mouthing off on the internet.

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fenderbender

good post scatter

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NBC News and news services
updated 8 minutes ago 2011-10-02T03:28:08
Print Font: + - NEW YORK — New York City police say about 700 protesters have been arrested after they swarmed the Brooklyn Bridge and blocked traffic lanes for several hours.

On the second week of protests by the Occupy Wall Street movement, a large group of marchers broke off from others on the bridge's pedestrian walkway and headed across the Brooklyn-bound lanes.

Police say demonstrators spilled onto the roadway Saturday night after being told to stay on the pedestrian pathway. They face charges of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

A majority of the people arrested were given citations and released, The Associated Press reported.

Both the walkway and Brooklyn-bound car lanes were shut to traffic, snarling traffic. Police reopened the bridge at 8:05 p.m. EDT.

'We are not criminals'
Witnesses described a chaotic scene on the famous suspension bridge as a sea of police officers surrounded the protesters using orange mesh netting.

Protesters speaking out against corporate greed and social inequality took their "solidarity march" to Brooklyn, but battled in a war of words against officers, chanting "We are not criminals" and "Let us go!"

Some protesters tried to get away as officers started handcuffing members of the group. Dozens of protesters were seen handcuffed and sitting on the span as three buses were called in to take them away, witnesses and organizers said.

The New York Times reported a few protesters had "clambered dangerously up the structure of the bridge to get to the wooden pedestrian walkway, which is about 15 feet above the road."

Erin Larkins, a graduate student at Columbia University who says she and her boyfriend have $130,000 combined in student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she's glad she did.

"I don't think we're asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again," Larkins wrote in an email to The Associated Press.

"No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen."

The march started about 3:30 p.m. EDT from the protesters' camp in Zuccotti Park in downtown Manhattan near the former World Trade Center. Members of the group have vowed to stay at the park through the winter.

The Occupy Wall Street group was joined by various unions, including the Transit Workers Union and the United Federation of Teachers, in the march to Brooklyn.
Celebrity support
In addition to what they view as excessive force and unfair treatment of minorities, including Muslims, the movement is also protesting against home foreclosures, high unemployment and the 2008 bailouts.

Filmmaker Michael Moore and actress Susan Sarandon have stopped by the protesters' camp, which is plastered with posters with anti-Wall Street slogans and has a kitchen and library, to offer their support.

On Friday evening, more than 1,000 demonstrators, including representatives of labor organizations, held a peaceful march to police headquarters a few blocks north of City Hall to protest what they said was a heavy-handed police response the previous week. No arrests were reported.

A week ago, police arrested about 80 members of Occupy Wall Street near the Union Square shopping district as the marchers swarmed onto oncoming traffic.

A police commander doused a handful of women with pepper spray in an incident captured on video and spread via the Internet, galvanizing the loosely organized protest movement.

The group has gained support among some union members. The United Federation of Teachers and the Transport Workers Union Local 100, which has 38,000 members, are among those pledging solidarity.

The unions could provide important organizational and financial support for the largely leaderless movement.

Similar protests are sprouting in other cities, including Boston, Chicago and San Francisco.

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fenderbender

lol damn that coulda been me.

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I wonder how big this ongoing protest will grow before it loses steam. I'm kinda tempted to go out to NYC myself and take part.



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October 15 - cities all over the world will be joining in...

• Occupying LA
• Occupying Chicago
• Occupying Seattle
• Occupying Vancouver

... and the list will only grow

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my_scatterheart

Hit up the "Occupy Together" page on FB if you have it, I'm pretty sure that's the one that posts news from all the cities joining in. They also have a map of all the Occupations springing up over the nation.

Edit: It's also sad to me, how badly NY is responding to the movement. Boston's police force was kind, respectful and even helped the protestors. It's good to see progressive spots like Boston embracing it though.

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my_scatterheart

the pink one, I hope?

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wellfleation

Sorry scatter- I needed to delete the post previous to yours, so no, you aren't that baked!

Anyway, I'm going to be packing ,
Otherwise known as the Frontiersman Bear Attack Deterrent Holster when I go to Boston to "protest".

Gotta be discreet though. Sheeeshush!

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Occupy Together*|*Home

Have tooo! (said like a petulant twat).
I know you are but what am I (still same voice).
Seriously, I'm not doubting their ability to flash mob on a grand scale, my issues are with the presentment of their message(s).

I shit upon your windgeing dialogue! (said like that French dude in Python's 'Holy Grail') And what does produce have to do with this ?
(oh, idiom...I get it)
Yeah they love dialogin'. Keeps the idiots amused while they go on their merry way doing just as they did before. It's how they pacify while they regroup, buttress their defenses, and look for another way to deflect attention. The status quo is a mighty lump o' shit, and it's gonna take a whole lot more than Michael's fat hypocritical ass to move it.

I get the "Death of a Thousand Cuts" approach that the Occupy movement portends. The problem is that their scatter gun approach of omnibus bitching is, and I can't emphasize this enough, TOO easily marginalized by the MSM. The core of Americans are not going to support any movement that the press can hold up and say "see...they have commies and fags", or whatever labels they can find for a singled out protester that they stick a mike in front of, and who they know will not resonate with middle America. Why do you think that they only show the middle aged White guys in the shots of Tea Party rallies? For the same reason that they only show tight shots of the rallies that they like that only get a handful of attendees. It's what they do, and they are extremely good at it. What they need is a better marketing strategy and a laser beam universal message. People ain't that smart, and ya hit the apathetic nail right on the head. To garner wide spread support they need to convey in thirty seconds or less how what they are doing concerns and benefits the majority that are getting screwed. Our whole society suffers from a very limited attention span.

Unless the "movement" is a tactical insurrection where the people are genuinely moving against the status quo, they need to realize that they are fighting a P.R. war, and that the issue is first and foremost about winning hearts and minds. Touting union support (an admittedly monstrous faction heavily vested in the very said same status quo) and putting up known nattering ninnies like Susan Sarandon does nothing to help broaden the base, it's just screeching to the choir.

As for your personal efforts, I'm obviously in no position to criticize however little or much you might physically have done - since I know nothing of your personal circumstances and limitations or resources. For all I know you may be a dedicated zealot of reform 24/7, but I would expect some quid pro quo. Posting on a forum of this nature is admittedly akin to blowing your horn at a cute girl as you whizz by, but I might point out that we are BOTH here spouting opinions. For someone so impressed by the power of dialogue you seem rather strident in your denouncement of dissent to your way of seeing things. Maybe for future reference you should add a disclaimer to your posts that you only wish to hear from people who agree with you. How very stereotypically "Progressive".

Great way to get John Q. sympathetic to the idea of cops pepper spraying defenseless people...run out in front of his car while he's already aggravated as shit about being caught in worse traffic than he already has to deal with every day. Brilliant!

Obviously the out of towners who've never experienced the joys of a winter in New York City. I give 'em till Halloween,... if that. Nuthin' quells zealous fire like bein' wet, cold and hypothermic.

And they left out Global Warming? I'm shocked!
Again...fractal whining that is nothing but white noise by the time it gets to the ears of Iowans. "Unfair treatment of minorities"??? Which fucking ones...Aleutian Eskimo's?! Last I saw, my grandmother was more likely to get her cooter groped at the airport than any Semitic type. Black kids get the same consideration as an Asian kid at the average university even with an SAT score over 300 points lower. Are they protesting on behalf of the Asian kids? I fucking doubt it. The Gay and Lesbian community discriminates against Trans-gender folks all of the time...is that what they're pissed about? What fucking planet are they visiting from? To reiterate, this does not promote warm and fuzzy dinner table conversation and empathy with the majority of Americans. They are wore the fuck out with worry about perceived slights by special victim classes, especially at a time when they really see themselves as being victims.

Increased and continuing high unemployment can be directly attributed to the "Progressive" that I'll bet the vast majority of the protesters voted for in the first place. If they're pissed about that, vote somebody different in next time, that's how it works.

As for foreclosures and the "predatory lending practices" that supposedly are to blame, this is a complete Red Herring! We are a country of laws, albeit a great number of bad ones, but laws nonetheless. Contracts are a big part of that law. Any adult who signs their name to something without reading or understanding it is a moron, and it is impossible to legislate to eliminate stupid. Hitler and Stalin tried it, the socialists always do, but Eugenics just doesn't seem to fare well outside of Europe and Asia.

Living beyond your means and getting caught with your pee pee in your hand is not the responsibility of anyone but yourself, so maybe somebody needs a nappie and a bottle on this one. There were certainly plenty of unscrupulous brokers out there placing loans that should never have been, but one of the biggest culprits in that bullshit was the FHA and the political enablers like Barney Frank, who insisted that anyone handling FHA paper give loans to equal numbers of people based on their ethnicity - or loose their ability to lend. They were actually forced to process loans for folks that were unemployed and subsisting entirely on public assistance...just because of the color of their skin?! I can't for the life of me figure out why 90% of them defaulted in the first 6 months? A full 75% never made their first payment?!
The folks that took the "Stated Income" loans were obviously totally aware of what they were doing, since they were the ones doing the "Stating" of their imagined earnings. They're called liar loans for reason, and again...just 'cuz somebody's lie catches up with them doesn't make it our responsibility. Time ta put on the big boy pants and take the medicine.

These are the kinds of things that peel away potential interest and support from the largest target audience like the skin of a rotten onion. That is why I feel they have bungled a great opportunity. A huge part of selling something, particularly something as nebulous as an idea, is to establish empathy with your prospective buyer. Calling for Mao to be President and communism to reign ain't gonna play well in Poughkeepsie.

And the MSM said wha...? Having already marginalized themselves dancing in traffic and climbing bridges, by the time they finally managed to focus their A.D.D. asses and present an integral front on a worthwhile issue they were easily ignored.

Again, see previous comments about idiots and contracts. A college degree is like any other buying proposition, caveat emptor - buyer beware. If you're determined to borrow the equivalent of $30,000 a year for four years to get a degree that will bring you into a job market making $40,000 a year, somebody will lend you the money if your dumb enough to take it. Might be wise to do yourself a favor and maybe take a remedial math course first. Just 'cuz somebody's developmentally disabled kids managed to get into a college and borrow $160,000, doesn't mean that we should have to pay for them not bein' able to do the math. (I'm basing this on my supposition that the reason these two nitwits were even mentioning their loans and participation was because they feel their loans should be forgotten and their stupid forgiven).

Aside from that, I can't believe that these poor gradual students can't put the touch on some enlightened benefactor at a good leftist institution like Columbia, for a little free borscht or some stale black bread to break up the monotony of their diet. I once lived on Kraft mac and cheese and PB&J for a whole summer...but I was a surf bum and 16, selling telescope pictures along the beach while I waited for the tide to change. Couldn't handle rent, and never had enough food, but always manged to find a way to finance some weed...go figure. The point is, it was my choice, smart or stupid, and I alone dealt with the consequences of my actions...then I grew up and got a real job.


Halloween...cold and wet comment redux.

Another quid pro quo. I didn't read any mention of the "occupiers" jumping into already snarled traffic to get attention in Boston. Had they decided to block the Ted Williams Tunnel at rush hour I'm pretty sure we'd have seen just how "Progressive" Boston's finest really are.

As for New Yorkers' response, again the whole traffic thing comes to mind, along with the fact that we're talkin' about a city where "fuck you!" means "good morning", so that may have had some tempering effect.

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Kishar

Radical Liberals have caused more problems for America than any President EVER has. The people protesting wall street right now are throwbacks from the '60's...bitching and moaning about the same shit 40 years ago. The entire country other than the radicals themselves are chuckling at this shit as they did back then. Grow the fuck up and lay down the pipe and get a damn job. The government isn't perfect but you could be living in the ME so be fucking grateful for one god damn time in your sorry lives.

Back then the police were far more brutal your fathers and mothers got the shit beat out of them but now someone gets pepper sprayed and they're throwing a hissy fit. It's hilarious.

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Long as you're goin' to jail, why don't ya head south wearin' the official get up recommended by the NYC Department of Tourism.

Amazon.com: V For Vendetta Official Deluxe Hat, Mask, Wig Combo-Officially Licensed: Everything Else

That would have been the ultimate Master Card moment ad though.

Train ride to NYC: $50
Crowd sized Pepper Spray Foam w/ dye (the shit that sticks and stains): $50
The shocked and terrified look on officer douche nozzle when you pull out a bigger one and pepper spray his ass back: absofuckinlutely priceless...and viral on YouTube within seconds!

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Galt

America, Love it or Leave it huh?
Why you old John Bircher you.
You still coming to the annual Milhous seance, prayer group and memorial service this week. It'll be a hoot! We're gonna shave a hippie and give 'em a bath after the refreshments.

Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition!

These fuckin' kids today...hell it's not like we give the National Guard full mags and automatic weapons now instead of those old M-1's...er, well actually I guess we do.

You think they're pissy now, just wait til we turn a flock of those fucking drones loose on them. Pol Pot's got nuthin' on us!

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