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Old 10-24-2011, 03:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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That Progressive Arab Spring Movement!

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Did anyone not see this coming?
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Old 10-24-2011, 04:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i sure as hell did.

id say we'll be lucky if half of these places end up slightly better than iran.

on the other hand at least the contrast will be stark.

its a damn good thing there are at least some liberal modern arabs... because if they all were this crazy way it would really be a problem... at least the liberal ones and the places like the Gulf countries and saudi arabia and even egypt to some extent... they let us say that we're not against islam or muslims, we're against the crazy violent ones.

someone should like translate a history of martin luther (the one from the 14th century not the black american leader) into arabic and drop leaflets all around these places... there needs to be a fatwa for a sharia reformation ... pretty badly.... the christians abandoned a lot of the medieval stuff, the jews did too, the hindus might still do some crazy things in india but at least in america they have assimilated.... its seriously like way past the time for islam to do the same
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they'd be better off studying MLKjr then martin luther..j sometimes i just don't believe you think things through
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I believe I read where Libya intends to restructure according to strict Sharia law.


Libya's leader pledges to uphold Islamic law  - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com
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they'd be better off studying Ghandi.

The same one "The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr." studied.
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they both met with similar fates, did they not?
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Remember where you're getting your information from. So far, casting Islam and Islamic countries in a good light hasn't been as profitable for the corporations that own our large news outlets as has been the opposite.



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Remember where you're getting your information from. So far, casting Islam and Islamic countries in a good light hasn't been as profitable for the corporations that own our large news outlets as has been the opposite.



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Rev, please tell me about the Middle Eastern countries you've lived in.
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Why would that be necessary? Do I have to have extensive knowledge of the middle east before I can not trust the motives of the news media on the subject (or any subject)?



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I've spoken to many people that have immigrated from a variety of middle eastern countries - mostly pakistan.

The general consensus among men is that their homeland is a great place with fewer opportunities.

The general consensus among women is that their homeland is a nice place but they're as oppressed there as they are here by their families - but at least here there is the option to run away and abandon the family.


So basically, if you're a man and you play ball it's a gay old time.

otherwise it isn't.
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Why would that be necessary? Do I have to have extensive knowledge of the middle east before I can not trust the motives of the news media on the subject (or any subject)?



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Yes, it would help with giving your opinion context.
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I've spoken to many people that have immigrated from a variety of middle eastern countries - mostly pakistan.

The general consensus among men is that their homeland is a great place with fewer opportunities.

The general consensus among women is that their homeland is a nice place but we're as oppressed there as we are here by our families - but at least here there is the option to run away and abandon our families.


So basically, if you're a man and you play ball it's a gay old time.

otherwise it isn't.

So you base your opinion on immigrants who have moved out of their respective countries? You don't think that makes your opinion just a bit skewed?
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I base my opinions of places I've never been to on the opinions of people that have been to those places - not exclusive to immigrants - since I trust the recounted first hand experiences of real people more than a piece of literature or something.

Of course, the quality of my opinion would benefit from actually having visited said place, but since there are many places I haven't visited and never plan to visit, a simulated opinion based on the second hand opinions of others is sufficient for my purposes.


So to answer your question:

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I base my opinions of places I've never been to on the opinions of people that have been to those places - not exclusive to immigrants - since I trust the recounted first hand experiences of real people more than a piece of literature or something.

Of course, the quality of my opinion would benefit from actually having visited said place, but since there are many places I haven't visited and never plan to visit, a simulated opinion based on the second hand opinions of others is sufficient for my purposes.


So to answer your question:
I see what you're saying, man... I'm not trying to put you down or anything. Maybe I should rephrase my question.


Do you think that your opinion might be based on a narrow test field?

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I thought this was already implied, nay, spelled out by my mention that each of these people are immigrants.


Unless you're trying to get at something, I'm not sure what's going on here.

Are you perhaps suggesting most middle eastern countries aren't highly patriarchal?
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I thought this was already implied, nay, spelled out by my mention that each of these people are immigrants.


Unless you're trying to get at something, I'm not sure what's going on here.

Are you perhaps suggesting most middle eastern countries aren't highly patriarchal?
The fact that your experiences are with immigrants, exclusively, do you think this might affect how objective your opinion is about this region? I mean, you're dealing with people who left their countries for a reason.

And yes, they are a very patriarchal//tribal based society. Their central governments seem to be more of an afterthought.
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Yes, it would help with giving your opinion context.
Again, what does knowledge of the middle east have to do with giving context to the opinion that the news media should be treated with skepticism?

Make sense, JP, or don't argue with me.



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Again, what does knowledge of the middle east have to do with giving context to the opinion that the news media should be treated with skepticism?

Make sense, JP, or don't argue with me.



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Oh... I'm sorry... I was under the impression that you were coming here to contribute to the thread that I created. Instead you've come to tell everyone that you don't trust the media.

Ok, so you don't trust the media. Now what?
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The fact that your experiences are with immigrants, exclusively, do you think this might affect how objective your opinion is about this region? I mean, you're dealing with people who left their countries for a reason.
Haha that's funny. I think this is the 3rd time you're saying my limited experience might form a biased opinion, and for the 3rd time I'm gonna agree with you.
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