John F. Kerry

Ok, now all it takes is one rumor to get 1,000,000 online articles to pontificate about something... and lord knows people have been talking about an iran attack for years and years now.

But.

Read these articles from three pretty varied sources and tell me what you think.

gulfnews : Will Israel bomb Iran without notifying the US?

"His calculation may be that a lethal blow against Iran would weaken an already deeply-troubled Syria and leave Hezbollah orphaned. Israel would have killed three birds with one stone."

..."According to the October 6 edition of TTU, a French intelligence bulletin, the US and Israel are planning an unprecedented joint land forces exercise next May with the goal of establishing a common ‘intervention force’ ready for action in the event of a major regional war."

Israel speeds up ballistic missile tests as speculation grows of attack on Iran | Mail Online

Kessler: Bomb Iran Now for Washington Terror Plot

...people seem to be talking about "strategic" action more these days.

well... now would actually be a pretty "strategic" time to attack iran...if not a "good" time to attack them necessarily.

meaning, it wouldnt be good, but it might be better now than at other times.


for starters, the arab world is in flux again...syria and hezbollah are weak and they dont have an israeli soldier hostage anymore...

then add obama's weakness, but his sure knowledge that a huge war against iran would almost certainly ensure his reelection because no one would change presidents right in the middle of that... and it would turn the entire domestic debate about the economy into a small ancillary issue in the election.

and, the fact that we are going to be out of iraq....we are going to have all those troops to do something with... and so we are not stretched nearly as thin as we have been in the past.


soooo strategically speaking, id say the stars have more or less aligned for this- and its only a question of to do it now, or to abandon the idea forever and start learning to live with a nuclear iran.


Now. the pragmatist, and humanist in me says... "well hopefully iran will see these same signals and make a huge change in the way they deal with the international community and do it soon- so that we can avoid a war, lives lost, billions lost, and treasure spent"... but on the other hand, the leaders in iran are just waiting in the wings to start a nuclear holocaust, so i dont know if there is a pragmatist or a humanist on the other side to even bother talking to.

Im curious if you guys think this is just more of the same, or if this is a new phase...

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Waves

i vote we abandon the idea forever unless iran attacks someone else first

do you seriously think iran would be crazy enough to do that

no country in the world is crazy enough to do that

a more realistic scenario to me is one of the nukes gets "lost" and ends up in the hands of an extremist fundi group that uses it, and the odds of that look really fucking slim. mostly iran is full of progressive people who disagree strongly with that lunatic in power, although im sure you dont want to hear that. They almost overthrew their damn government a few years ago.

The world is getting more chill, not less chill. I doubt shits gonna go down.

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Terry

I think if they did that it may just be the ballistic missile that broke the world's back and finally the Israeli government may get a much needed taste of the shit they have been shoveling on the region since day one.

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John F. Kerry

i say this with a healthy dose of appreciation for where our last "adventure" led us, but do u honestly think iran is ever going to "become a nice place" without an attack by the us or someone?

they had a green revolution and its leaders are under house arrest or sodomized in iranian prisons... thats how they do "peaceful revolutions".

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John F. Kerry

ill admit that i dont think they would do that.

but on the other hand, will u admit that you at least arent sure they wouldnt do it?

its one thing for americans to sit in our armchairs and talk about what iran would or wouldnt do... some countries that are near to them would be turned literally into craters if they did what you "know" they wouldnt.

but like i said, i also dont think they would ... but then again... if they had nukes... who can really say what they would do... i can tell u that they would be a lot more belligerant about their nukes than any other country that has them is- imagine north korea and substitute ahmadinejad and khomeni for kim jong il

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Waves

being not sure that someones not going to do something is not a reason to fucking bomb them lol

sure i'll admit i cant tell the future and ill admit the leaders of iran are fuckign out of their minds.

but like i said most of their country disagrees with that shit. the only reason those people are in power is because they have been in power a very long time. just like what happened in the rest of the world when religion and government separated, it will happen in iran given time. so yes i do believe that if no one attacks iran it will become a nice happy place given enough time. i mean all the fucking young people in that country cant wait for the govt to go. its like the 60s in america for them but with even MORE disagreement with the established structures of that society.

take into consideration that islam is very young and the entire regions is almost like a few steps behind the western world. its only the fastest growing religion cuz its almost the only growing religion. the rest of them have been around for awhile and most of the people who were going to become those religions already belong to those religions. right now islam is maturing and will soon be just as irrelevant as catholicism or any of the other ones.

heres the thing- given time AMERICA became a nice happy place. we used to be a land of religious fundamentalism, slavery, civil war, etc. If every country in the west can do it and all these countries now in the middle east are doing it (arab summer) why not iran?

why not iran?

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Terry

If draconian government and interest in nuclear technology is the only pretext we need for war we would always be in one.

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Waves

I think for those in power, the only pretext is that they can convince the public it is necessary. Doesnt matter if your in iran or america.



“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country.”
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
Trials after World War II.

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stoneric

Imagine Iran openly talking about attacking us as if they were talking about the weather.

John F. Kerry

yea the world where iran could do that would sure suck.

america isnt iran, america is the country of ww2, saving europe, the marshal plan, saving free korea, keeping the world relatively peaceful for a century, befriending old communist enemies, and admitting mistakes...

what the fuck is iran but a 2 stooge dictatorship - thats the best part about overthrowing the iranian government- its not like iraq there- everybody is fairly homogenous and proud of their heritage...iran could become a normal democracy nearly overnight if we just chopped of the rotten top layer.

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stoneric

So Iran is suicidal? They would actually turn countries near to them "literally" into craters knowing they themselves would also be a crater "literally" within hours? And how could they be more belligerant about their nukes than north korea or even israel knowing full well they'd be a parking lot if they actually were to use one? And how about they actually produce one before we even worry about what they might do with one. I'm more worried about what bibi and the right wing nutjobs in israel might do with their real 200 nukes than I am about amadinanutjob doing with his imaginary one.

stoneric

You're dellusional.

stoneric

And while admitting said mistakes, continue on the same path making the same mistakes over and over and fucking over again. And you are all for it.

Terry

I think the point that Iran could not pose a significant threat to either the US or Israel cannot be stressed enough.

C'mon J, Iran is hated by her own neighbors for the love of God, Saudi Arabia and a handful of other Sunni states would love nothing more than an excuse to attack Iran, and you think Iran is seriously considering an attack on Israel?

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Waves

Im talking bigger picture here. The entire west. We were just as fundamentalist with our religion at one point as they are now. Cultures and societies go through different stages of development and Iran is at an entirely different one than America was during the ww2 and post ww2 era. Not to mention we are at different stages of world development with technology which only SPEEDS UP the process of change and progress...just look at what social networks were able to do in Iran during their attempted coup.
Its not americas place or israels place to do that. Its irans place to do that just like every other country that is doing it in the middle east.

I dont know where the fuck this mentality of america being world police comes from. it astounds me. like we should spend our tax dollars and get in even more quagmires in the middle east in the name of liberation.

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kamikazi89

Actually iran had a civil government untill they decided to nationalize their oil...
then the US and Britain exercised a veto

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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SageTree

No doubt, I think taking a 2000 ft view of history shows MUCH MUCH more interesting things about Iran and who they were in the history of that region.

It hasn't always 'been in the stone age' or whatever people seem to think.

Islam and its scholars are the reason a lot of information survived.

Muslims in Spain translated Greek philosophy at a time when it wasn't seen as important.
Medical procedures that were the 'standard' for over 500 years, that were developed while the rest of Europe was in the Dark Ages.

Iran also has a strong Persian identity and don't particularly care to be lumped in with Arabs.

Iran is and has been more complex than some people give it credit for.

Cyrus, the one who is credited in the Hebrew Bible as returning the Jews to their home land and funding the building of the second Temple, was the 'Pre-Iranian' Persian King credited with writing the first charter of human rights circa for fucking ever ago BCE...

Just sayin'....

Don't believe everything you read.

I had a friend who just spend 6 months there and he said "It's not what you hear, it's JUST LIKE ANYPLACE ELSE... you hear what the media tells you.''

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Canuck Wisdom

Iran might possibly get a nuke soon maybe! Quick, nuke them and kill lots of people before they do anything irresponsible with it (like cheap energy)!!!!!!!!1

I think for myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! And critically!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously though, there will be no war with Iran. If there is, it won't involve 'boots on the ground', but something more like the Libya situation with air strikes and perhaps assassinations. But that wont happen.

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stoneric

I wish I could double thank this.

SageTree

I made sure I went back and gave it a tap for ya'

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