I'm with Lowes on this one .

Roach · 12-12-2011, 11:06 AM

LOS ANGELES — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims.

The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."

The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population.

A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott.

Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.

"The show is about what it's like to be a Muslim in America, and it touches on the discrimination they sometimes face. And that kind of discrimination is exactly what's happening here with Lowe's," Lieu said.

The Florida group sent three emails to its members, asking them to petition Lowe's to pull its advertising. Its website was updated to say that "supporters' emails to advertisers make a difference."

The North Carolina-based Lowe's issued a statement apologizing for having "managed to make some people very unhappy."

"Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views," the statement said. "As a result we did pull our advertising on this program. We believe it is best to respectfully defer to communities, individuals and groups to discuss and consider such issues of importance."

The apology doesn't go far enough, Lieu said. The senator vowed to look into whether Lowe's violated any California laws and said he would also consider drafting a senate resolution condemning the company's actions.

"We want to raise awareness so that consumers will know during this holiday shopping season that Lowe's is engaging in religious discrimination," Lieu said.

Besides an apology and reinstatement of the ads, Lieu said he hoped Lowe's would make an outreach to the community about bias and bigotry.

Lieu's office said a decision was expected Wednesday or Thursday on whether to proceed with the boycott.

Lowe's said company officials are trying to make arrangements to talk directly to Lieu about his concerns and clarify the company's position.

Suehaila Amen, whose family is featured on "All-American Muslim," said she was disappointed by the Lowe's decision.

"I'm saddened that any place of business would succumb to bigots and people trying to perpetuate their negative views on an entire community," Amen, 32, told The Detroit News on Sunday.

Dawud Walid, Michigan director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his group felt "extreme disappointment" at Lowe's "capitulation to bigotry."

Walid said he has heard expressions of anger and calls for a boycott by Muslims but said a key to resolving the Lowe's advertising controversy will be how non-Muslim religious leaders and others react to Lowe's decision.

"I will be picking up the phone tomorrow to some of our friends and allies to explain the situation to them," Walid said Sunday.

deadhead94 · 12-12-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roach

Florida Family Association

Even if they aren't the average, the gun toting, xenophobic hillbillies sure have a lot of influence.

Roach · 12-12-2011, 11:45 AM

we sure do.

N.I.M.B.Y.

Sir-Ex · 12-12-2011, 11:48 AM

i was getting into the Christmas spirit and then I read this thread and thought, god damn this is utterly pointless that I'm reading this and has nothing to do with me and is totally a boring ass story and what the fuck am I doing I have to reply now just because I wasted a few minutes reading this goodbye now

Roach · 12-12-2011, 11:51 AM

It's ok...muslims aren't real big on Santa.

The Rev · 12-12-2011, 12:02 PM

It sounds less like religious bigotry and more like not wanting to be in the middle of a shitstorm. You don't have to have a side in a fight to not want to be around when it's going down. Unfortunately, once they placed the ads, they were in the middle of it, and pulling them only made things worse.

That said, people need to chill.

The Rev

Snowmayne · 12-12-2011, 12:04 PM

so you agree with them pulling ads Roach?

Roach · 12-12-2011, 12:06 PM

definately.

Sir-Ex · 12-12-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach

It's ok...muslims aren't real big on Santa.

What is your point? Really?

Roach · 12-12-2011, 01:07 PM

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i was getting into the Christmas spirit and then I read this thread and thought, god damn this is utterly pointless

The point is, government officials trying to use their position to coerce Lowes into not pulling/reinstating their ads.

A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott.

Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.

Lowes has the perfect right to support whomever's views they so choose thru advertising revenue. They also have the right not to, without Congressmen trying to preasure them to do otherwise.

stoneric · 12-12-2011, 02:13 PM

So why did Lowes cave to the Florida Family Association in the first place?

Roach · 12-12-2011, 02:19 PM

probably because of customer complaints.

money talks.

stoneric · 12-12-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach

probably because of customer complaints.

money talks.

It was more of a rhetorical question but you'd think they would have known complaints from the other side would cost them also. Should have said a big fuck you to the ffa.

Roach · 12-12-2011, 03:42 PM

I think you may be missing the part where most of Lowes customers are American "Christian" contractors...and many of those are veterans. (of one war or another)

So my question would have been,

" Why did Lowes support (thru advertising) the promotion of Islam in America to begin with. ? "

It's probably just me, and my anti-religion views in general.

Particularly the ones that include radical fanatics.

my_scatterheart · 12-12-2011, 03:50 PM

Are you saying that all Muslims are radical fanatics? Cuz personally, I've met more Christians that fell into that category than Muslims.

Terry · 12-12-2011, 03:59 PM

Why are you with Lowe's on this one Roach?

I don't watch reality TV, but if there was ever a show that may help middle America get over its bullshit racism it can't be that bad.

Surely you realize most American Muslims are just regular people like you and me right?

Roach · 12-12-2011, 04:03 PM

I know a few....they are nothing like me.

That's probably why

But this topic has nothing to do with racism.

Any race can support any religion.

If Their ads were supporting say , the egyption race, or the african race I'd have no objection/issue.

People have no choice as to what race they are born into. That's a situation you have no control over.

Religion is a whole different animal.

wellfleation · 12-12-2011, 05:46 PM

Fuck Lowes, fuck Home Depot. Shop local stores not national conglomerates who drug test their minimum wage workers to keep them extra miserable and more under their thumb. Fuck'em all I say.

wellfleation · 12-12-2011, 05:48 PM

I wonder if they will boycott any Christian affiliated shows. Christians, in my opinion, are pretty radical. Bombing abortion clinics, killing doctors, forcing their scary theology on US through legislation. Their spread of hate is disturbing to me. From gays to anyone who "they" see as "different". Attempting to convert non-believers. They are fucking scary.

See, I can do that too.

my_scatterheart · 12-12-2011, 05:49 PM

guess you didnt build your house, hm?

12-12-2011, 11:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	I'm with Lowes on this one . LOS ANGELES — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims. The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values." The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population. A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott. Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock. "The show is about what it's like to be a Muslim in America, and it touches on the discrimination they sometimes face. And that kind of discrimination is exactly what's happening here with Lowe's," Lieu said. The Florida group sent three emails to its members, asking them to petition Lowe's to pull its advertising. Its website was updated to say that "supporters' emails to advertisers make a difference." The North Carolina-based Lowe's issued a statement apologizing for having "managed to make some people very unhappy." "Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views," the statement said. "As a result we did pull our advertising on this program. We believe it is best to respectfully defer to communities, individuals and groups to discuss and consider such issues of importance." The apology doesn't go far enough, Lieu said. The senator vowed to look into whether Lowe's violated any California laws and said he would also consider drafting a senate resolution condemning the company's actions. "We want to raise awareness so that consumers will know during this holiday shopping season that Lowe's is engaging in religious discrimination," Lieu said. Besides an apology and reinstatement of the ads, Lieu said he hoped Lowe's would make an outreach to the community about bias and bigotry. Lieu's office said a decision was expected Wednesday or Thursday on whether to proceed with the boycott. Lowe's said company officials are trying to make arrangements to talk directly to Lieu about his concerns and clarify the company's position. Suehaila Amen, whose family is featured on "All-American Muslim," said she was disappointed by the Lowe's decision. "I'm saddened that any place of business would succumb to bigots and people trying to perpetuate their negative views on an entire community," Amen, 32, told The Detroit News on Sunday. Dawud Walid, Michigan director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his group felt "extreme disappointment" at Lowe's "capitulation to bigotry." Walid said he has heard expressions of anger and calls for a boycott by Muslims but said a key to resolving the Lowe's advertising controversy will be how non-Muslim religious leaders and others react to Lowe's decision. "I will be picking up the phone tomorrow to some of our friends and allies to explain the situation to them," Walid said Sunday. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

12-12-2011, 11:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
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Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,416 Thanks: 1,726 Thanked 3,821 Times in 2,258 Posts	i was getting into the Christmas spirit and then I read this thread and thought, god damn this is utterly pointless that I'm reading this and has nothing to do with me and is totally a boring ass story and what the fuck am I doing I have to reply now just because I wasted a few minutes reading this goodbye now __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	It sounds less like religious bigotry and more like not wanting to be in the middle of a shitstorm. You don't have to have a side in a fight to not want to be around when it's going down. Unfortunately, once they placed the ads, they were in the middle of it, and pulling them only made things worse. That said, people need to chill. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	So why did Lowes cave to the Florida Family Association in the first place?

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Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	probably because of customer complaints. money talks. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

12-12-2011, 03:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	I think you may be missing the part where most of Lowes customers are American "Christian" contractors...and many of those are veterans. (of one war or another) So my question would have been, " Why did Lowes support (thru advertising) the promotion of Islam in America to begin with. ? " It's probably just me, and my anti-religion views in general. Particularly the ones that include radical fanatics. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

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my_scatterheart Today, I am alive. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 3,553 Thanks: 1,487 Thanked 3,328 Times in 1,870 Posts	Are you saying that all Muslims are radical fanatics? Cuz personally, I've met more Christians that fell into that category than Muslims. __________________ Be mindful even if your mind is full. -J. De La Vega

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Terry Hello Darkness Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 8,538 Thanks: 2,130 Thanked 2,392 Times in 1,189 Posts	Why are you with Lowe's on this one Roach? I don't watch reality TV, but if there was ever a show that may help middle America get over its bullshit racism it can't be that bad. Surely you realize most American Muslims are just regular people like you and me right? __________________ I don't know but I've been told, If you never die you'll never grow old

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Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	I know a few....they are nothing like me. That's probably why But this topic has nothing to do with racism. Any race can support any religion. If Their ads were supporting say , the egyption race, or the african race I'd have no objection/issue. People have no choice as to what race they are born into. That's a situation you have no control over. Religion is a whole different animal. __________________ לזיין את הקופים Last edited by Roach; 12-12-2011 at 04:09 PM.

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wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	Fuck Lowes, fuck Home Depot. Shop local stores not national conglomerates who drug test their minimum wage workers to keep them extra miserable and more under their thumb. Fuck'em all I say. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

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wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	I wonder if they will boycott any Christian affiliated shows. Christians, in my opinion, are pretty radical. Bombing abortion clinics, killing doctors, forcing their scary theology on US through legislation. Their spread of hate is disturbing to me. From gays to anyone who "they" see as "different". Attempting to convert non-believers. They are fucking scary. See, I can do that too. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

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