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Old 01-22-2012, 01:11 PM   #921 (permalink)
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i would have to see the specifics, as far as i know most of his contributors who are affiliated with the military are individual soldiers and families
PolitiFact Texas | Ron Paul says members of military have given him far more money than other GOP candidates and Barack Obama

It probably is, but I don't see why that would change it? Enlighten me please.
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but I do show—thanks to a lot of in-depth interviews with GOP sources—how they plotted to obstruct Obama before he even took office. I show how the stimulus was chock full of stuff they claimed to support until Jan. 20, 2009—not just things like health IT and the smart grid and energy efficiency and scientific research, but the very idea of Keynesian stimulus. Every presidential candidate in 2008 proposed a stimulus package, and Mitt Romney’s was the largest.
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lol, keep resulting to insults when you have nothing else.
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From the FreedomWorks website.

A top news story of the day is that President Barack Obama is supposedly cutting almost half a trillion dollars from the defense budget. But this is simply not true.

President Obama is not cutting a single dime out of the military budget. He is actually substantially increasing military spending over the next several years. Washington has once again cleverly disguised a spending increase as a “cut.”

This is how it all works: the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has a baseline that predicts what will happen over the next decade given current projections of taxation and spending. It shows that military spending will dramatically increase over the next 10 years.

President Obama’s $480 billion in military spending “cuts” are only from the bloated CBO baseline. This means that he is merely reducing projected military spending, as opposed to cutting current spending.

Military spending will continue to rise under President Obama’s plan, just at a slightly slower rate. Why has this sparked so much controversy? Self-identified neoconservative Bill Kristol said that the so-called cuts “would decimate our military.”

Some Republican lawmakers such as Rep. Howard P. “Buck” McKeon (Calif.) called the nonexistent cuts “dangerous and irresponsible.”

How much of an increase in military spending will satisfy them? It’s interesting to note that Rep. McKeon’s top campaign contributors include Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing Co., and General Dynamics. These defense contractors lobby for more military spending that would add to their company’s bottom line.

Our national debt has skyrocketed to over $15.2 trillion. We must be willing to put every item in the budget, including military spending, on the table.

The Department of Defense (DoD) is just as prone to reckless spending as any other government department. I would actually argue that the DoD is much more susceptible to waste and fraud.

Unlike most other government departments, the DoD enjoys a protected status that shields it from serious scrutiny.

An unfortunate stigma still exists that those who propose reasonable military spending cuts do not support the troops. But that’s far from the truth.

No one wants to jeopardize our national security or purposely put our troops in harm’s way. The reality is that more military spending does not necessarily make us safer. A lot of items in the Department of Defense budget have nothing to do with defending our nation.

The Pentagon budget is filled with corporate welfare for the defense industries. According to the Cato Institute: Sometimes the defense budget is used as a massive federal jobs program that particularly favors the states or districts of members of Congress who sit on the relevant committees.

The pork can include such items as unnecessary weapons programs and military bases that are not needed for national security but remain open to provide economic benefits to the surrounding communities. Corporate welfare, in the form of subsidies to defense contractors, is another example of pork-barrel spending.

In addition, the defense budget includes programs that are not even marginally related to national security, which should either be eliminated or moved to the relevant budget classification.

Current military spending is higher than at any time in our entire history. The Pentagon budget for 2010 was $693 billion — more than all other discretionary spending programs combined. That’s nearly half of all military spending on earth.

Military spending has doubled over the past decade when adjusted for inflation. Under President Bush, military spending averaged 3.9 percent of Gross Domestic Product. It has increased to 4.9 percent — a full percentage point higher under President Obama.

Military spending should not be a sacred cow. We cannot afford to completely avoid certain parts of the budget. It’s time to drastically cut spending in all areas of the federal government.

The ever-increasing national debt poses a great threat to our national security. We must take action immediately to address this imperative issue that undermines our liberty and jeopardizes our future standard of living.


if this was posted before, sorry, tldr 47 pages of posts.

Ron Paul's record shows, he looooooooooooooooooo oooooooves pork .
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lol, keep resulting to insults when you have nothing else.
We thought cash for clunkers was the ultimate waste of taxpayer money, but as usual we were too optimistic. Thanks to the federal tax credit to buy high-mileage cars that was part of President Obama's stimulus plan, Uncle Sam is now paying Americans to buy that great necessity of modern life, the golf cart.

The federal credit provides from $4,200 to $5,500 for the purchase of an electric vehicle, and when it is combined with similar incentive plans in many states the tax credits can pay for nearly the entire cost of a golf cart. Even in states that don't have their own tax rebate plans, the federal credit is generous enough to pay for half or even two-thirds of the average sticker price of a cart, which is typically in the range of $8,000 to $10,000. "The purchase of some models could be absolutely free," Roger Gaddis of Ada Electric Cars in Oklahoma said earlier this year. "Is that about the coolest thing you've ever heard?"

The golf-cart boom has followed an IRS ruling that golf carts qualify for the electric-car credit as long as they are also road worthy. These qualifying golf carts are essentially the same as normal golf carts save for adding some safety features, such as side and rearview mirrors and three-point seat belts. They typically can go 15 to 25 miles per hour.

In South Carolina, sales of these carts have been soaring as dealerships alert customers to Uncle Sam's giveaway. "The Golf Cart Man" in the Villages of Lady Lake, Florida is running a banner online ad that declares: "GET A FREE GOLF CART. Or make $2,000 doing absolutely nothing!"

Golf Cart Man is referring to his offer in which you can buy the cart for $8,000, get a $5,300 tax credit off your 2009 income tax, lease it back for $100 a month for 27 months, at which point Golf Cart Man will buy back the cart for $2,000. "This means you own a free Golf Cart or made $2,000 cash doing absolutely nothing!!!" You can't blame a guy for exploiting loopholes that Congress offers.

The IRS has also ruled that there's no limit to how many electric cars an individual can buy, so some enterprising profiteers are stocking up on multiple carts while the federal credit lasts, in order to resell them at a profit later. We should note that some states, such as Oklahoma, have caught on to the giveaway and are debating whether to cancel or limit their state credits. But in Congress they're still on the driving range.

This golf-cart fiasco perfectly illustrates tax policy in the age of Obama, when politicians dole out credits and loopholes for everything from plug-in cars to fuel efficient appliances, home insulation and vitamins. Democrats then insist that to pay for these absurdities they have no choice but to raise tax rates on other things—like work and investment—that aren't politically in vogue. If this keeps up, it'll soon make more sense to retire and play golf than work for living.
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lol golf cart boom, as if that somehow applies to me.
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just like the top 1 %

no can't have that.
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Guys! Focus! lol
And while I don't think that DoD department spending should be eliminated, if he is not planning on spending on any wars, I don't see why there would be such big increase over just a few years. If he were to stay that war funding will continue, I could see the reasoning.


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That's my point.

People think emotionally more than they think logically.

Vote Paul.

I'll and the rest of the rich will move to a more successful country.
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Then eliminate the umbrella company Bush created, and then headed it with a cultural moron from pennsylvania - Ridge. (When appointed folks from pa were even saying WTF ?)...The Department of Homeland Security, which is now in full coordination with DOD, DOJ , FBI, and Cia (and a minor in NSA) pretty much make up the "defense budget" and it's seemingly ever increasing decreases.

and all the palms that need greased,

cyber terrorism is big business these days (and growing), not so much pre and during the Bush Empire/dictatorship.

And hey, drones aren't cheap either.
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maybe it's for medical care, we've been at war for a long long time you know
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Good points. It'd be very interesting to see what the spending on cyber warfare is. And it would be very interesting to see what Ron Paul says about funding for healthcare for soldiers. I haven't come across it, hopefully someone can find something by the time I come back? (gotta go get food for the daughter)
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Ron Paul is against the GI Bill. He's for state's rights.

Much like his unelectable policies.
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Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul blasted President Obama’s budget-reduction proposal Tuesday, saying that the suggestion to raise co-pays for military veterans is “unjust and immoral.”

“Failing to meet the promises we have made to our troops would be unjust and immoral,” Paul said in an open letter to Obama. “Our military men and women have fought bravely. In exchange, our country made a promise to them, and we must honor it.”

The Obama plan proposes a $200 annual fee for retired military families who want to continue coverage under a Tricare-for-Life program that supplements Medicare coverage for veterans over 65. The proposal would save the government $6.7 billion over 10 years, according to the White House…

Veterans groups have opposed the move, and Paul seized on the issue to hammer the president. The candidate used the proposal as a jumping-off point to reiterate his call for the United States to withdraw from wars in the Middle East.

“Cutting the benefits of our Veterans benefits while we subsidize the security of other wealthy nations like Germany and Japan and play World Policeman makes no sense,” Paul said. “The money we would save extracting our fighting men and women and our equipment from overseas conflicts and regions will more than offset the savings you seek by upending the manner in which veterans receive care.”
in the interest of fairness, Obama did eventually back down
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