The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that police cannot put a GPS device on a suspect's car w/out warrant

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 06:12 PM

A nice defeat to Obama/Amerika’s attempt to squash the 4th Amendment

Quote:

The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that police cannot put a GPS device on a suspect's car to track his movements without a warrant, a test case that upholds basic privacy rights in the face of new surveillance technology.
The high court ruling was a defeat for the Obama administration, which had argued that a warrant was not required to use global positioning system devices to monitor a vehicle on public streets.

This is one reason I am not thrilled with this center right president, trying to pull this shit. In some ways he is no different than the republicans, but in others he is much better.

This is such a logical decision, I am shocked that the Supremes ruled the way they did. I fully expected them to take the copout, "If you are on public property then there are no privacy rights. The road, etc, is public property." But they didn't get enough money from those interested to rule this way, I guess.

stoneric · 01-23-2012, 06:27 PM

Roach · 01-23-2012, 06:32 PM

gps/tracking devices were used way before Obama was out of college, probably high school.

look up low jacking.

nice try blaming everything on Obama tho.

just try occasionally to throw in a few facts in with your attempted character assassination.

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 06:35 PM

Call me a cynic, because I am, however, I believe the only reason the court came to this decision is because this is one issue that could effect them, the wealthy who control our government. This would set even "them" up for police abuses and if you are in power (e.g., the wealthy ruling class in the US) you certainly don't want any cracks in the armor.

Then again, one terrorist attack and all the pussies in America will be begging for their rights and freedoms to be taken away so Daddy can protect them.

deadhead94 · 01-23-2012, 06:38 PM

why do you blame the puppet?

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roach

gps/tracking devices were used way before Obama was out of college, probably high school.

look up low jacking.

nice try blaming everything on Obama tho.

just try occasionally to throw in a few facts in with your attempted character assassination.

It's his administration that attempted to pass the law and so the buck stops with him. He claimed when he was running he was against ALL this shit. So yes, I blame him.

Just because Jonny did it doesn't mean Billy can or should too. Morale character comes into play.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 06:44 PM

police vice units FBI, CIA and other agencies, have been using radio tracking devices for decades.

gps tracking is just keeping up with the technology.

and it's very handy for locating cell phones, laptops/computers, and some vehicles used by criminals...I have no problem with it.

the ones who aren't smart enough to turn it off.

ip address tracking should be illegal too ?

but it isn't.

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 06:46 PM

You turn your cell phone off?

And now they can't track without a warrant no matter the device.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 06:49 PM

this has more to do with not blaming Obama for everything.

Key Dates:
1978: William R. Reagan obtains a patent for the LoJack System.
1983: LoJack Corporation is traded on NASDAQ.
1985: A prototype of the LoJack System is tested by Massachusetts State Police.
1986: The LoJack System becomes available statewide in Massachusetts.
1988: LoJack receives federal clearance to sell outside of Massachusetts; the company expands into Florida.
1995: LoJack licenses its technology to selected international markets and develops the CarSearch Stolen Vehicle Recovery System, which operates independently of law enforcement networks.
1998: LoJack penetrates the construction and the heavy-equipment industries.
1999: LoJack installs its one millionth LoJack Unit.
2001: Motorola ships its two millionth LoJack Unit to LoJack Corporation.

Company History:

LoJack Corporation is the recognized world leader in vehicle-tracking technology. In the United States, the company's radio-frequency recovery system--known as the LoJack System--has maintained a higher than 90 percent successful recovery rate since it was offered to consumers some 15 years ago. The LoJack System helps law enforcement personnel to locate, track, and recover stolen vehicles. In 20 states and the District of Columbia, LoJack Corporation operates in areas having the greatest population density and the highest number of new car sales and motor vehicle thefts. In more than 20 countries in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Western Hemisphere, where it is not feasible to implement the full LoJack System, the corporation operates CarSearch, a patented LoJack product that functions independently of law enforcement networks. With more than two million LoJack Units installed worldwide and more than 40,000 retrieved vehicles, LoJack has recovered assets approaching nearly $1 billion in value. Boston Magazine picked LoJack as one of the best places to work in the Boston area; Consumer Digest awarded LoJack a "Best Buy Award"; and Forbes magazine, for the third time, in 2001 named LoJack one of the 200 Best Small Companies in America, ranking LoJack as 96th.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 06:51 PM

LoJack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lojack products can be used to track stolen vehicles, motorcycles, construction equipment, long-haul trucking equipment and cargo. Other types can be used to track people (such as those with Alzheimer's disease and autism) and laptops.

An optional component of the LoJack System, Early Warning alerts the owner by phone, e-mail or text message if the protected vehicle has been moved without authorization. A personal key fob sends a signal to the system to disable the warning as long as the owner is carrying it. LoJack offers the Early Warning product for cars, trucks and motorcycles.
[edit] for Laptops

A software product from Vancouver, British Columbia, based Absolute Software that enables law enforcement to recover stolen laptops by tracing them via the Internet.[9][10] The product was initially sold under the name "Computrace". In 2005, Absolute Software licensed the LoJack brand name and produces the software under both the Computrace and "LoJack for Laptops" product names.[11] Unlike the LoJack for vehicles and equipment products, which use a small radio beacon installed in the tracked device, the Computrace/LoJack for Laptops product is laptop tracking software that periodically phones home to Absolute Software's server to both announce its location and to check to see if the machine has been reported stolen.[12][13] LoJack comes preinstalled in the BIOSes of, at least, Lenovo, HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Panasonic, Toshiba, and Asus machines.[14] It is disabled by default and can be enabled by purchasing a license for Computrace; upon being enabled, the BIOS will copy a downloader named rpcnetp.exe from the BIOS flash ROM to %WINDIR%\System32 (which usually resolves to C:\WINDOWS\System32) which will in turn download the actual agent rpcnet.exe and install it as a windows service. Recently[when?], Dell, Lenovo, Panasonic and Fujitsu appear to have discontinued this method and require manual installation.[citation needed] Once enabled, Computrace cannot be disabled or deinstalled without assistance from Absolute Software, not even by reformatting or substituting the hard disk, because the BIOS keeps reinstalling or repairing it prior to loading the operating system.

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 07:00 PM

The big difference is YOU have to have LoJack installed of your own free will.

I know about location devices from cell phones and laptops and have used them. I don't get your point. Of course information is always being collected through new and not so new technologies. This ruling makes using such information unconstitutional w/out a warrant.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

LoJack comes preinstalled in the BIOSes of, at least, Lenovo, HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Panasonic, Toshiba, and Asus machines.

at least being the key phrase.

it can be enabled thru activex commands also, depending on if the person is protected against it or not.

The gps technology was brought up as an issue because of apps for smart phones that allowed movie stars, professional models, and even politicians to be tracked/stalked...if not disabled.

I understand the technology and it's abuse, which I don't see this ruling preventing, when a warrent can be obtained usually in a matter of minutes.

The confusion will come when people use their smart phone apps to keep track of the kids...does this also require a warrent ?

Technically it's the same thing.

Being · 01-23-2012, 07:17 PM

this is getting interesting, some good facts being brought up

wellfleation · 01-23-2012, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roach

The gps technology was brought up as an issue because of apps for smart phones that allowed movie stars, professional models, and even politicians to be tracked/stalked...if not disabled.

No it was because of cases like http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...tories+2%29%29

Quote:

As the Supreme Court gets ready to hear oral arguments in a case Tuesday that could determine if authorities can track U.S. citizens with GPS vehicle trackers without a warrant, a young man in California has come forward to Wired to reveal that he found not one but two different devices on his vehicle recently.

The 25-year-old resident of San Jose, California, says he found the first one about three weeks ago on his Volvo SUV while visiting his mother in Modesto, about 80 miles northeast of San Jose. After contacting Wired and allowing a photographer to snap pictures of the device, it was swapped out and replaced with a second tracking device. A witness also reported seeing a strange man looking beneath the vehicle of the young man’s girlfriend while her car was parked at work, suggesting that a tracking device may have been retrieved from her car.

Then things got really weird when police showed up during a Wired interview with the man.

The young man, who asked to be identified only as Greg, is one among an increasing number of U.S. citizens who are finding themselves tracked with the high-tech devices.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roach

I understand the technology and it's abuse, which I don't see this ruling preventing, when a warrent can be obtained usually in a matter of minutes.

You don’t see this preventing police over reach? They can’t use any information obtained through such methods if they have not gotten a warrant properly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roach

The confusion will come when people use their smart phone apps to keep track of the kids...does this also require a warrent ?

Technically it's the same thing.

Obviously children do not have the same rights as adults. It’s pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 07:40 PM

Quote:

You don’t see this preventing police over reach?

no not really.

marijuana is highly illegal based on a Supreme court ruling.

Yet If I want to smoke it's really not that difficult...to even get it shipped directly to my door.

What it does do is hampers an investigation by not allowing an un warranted devices data to be used in court.

With a warrant however, nothing changes.

just means there will be more warrants, not less usage.

If it were illegal to use these devices at all, now that would be a breakthrough.

see what I'm sayin.

Roach · 01-23-2012, 07:44 PM

It may be a step in the right direction.

01-23-2012, 06:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	gps/tracking devices were used way before Obama was out of college, probably high school. look up low jacking. nice try blaming everything on Obama tho. just try occasionally to throw in a few facts in with your attempted character assassination. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

01-23-2012, 06:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	Call me a cynic, because I am, however, I believe the only reason the court came to this decision is because this is one issue that could effect them, the wealthy who control our government. This would set even "them" up for police abuses and if you are in power (e.g., the wealthy ruling class in the US) you certainly don't want any cracks in the armor. Then again, one terrorist attack and all the pussies in America will be begging for their rights and freedoms to be taken away so Daddy can protect them. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

01-23-2012, 06:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	police vice units FBI, CIA and other agencies, have been using radio tracking devices for decades. gps tracking is just keeping up with the technology. and it's very handy for locating cell phones, laptops/computers, and some vehicles used by criminals...I have no problem with it. the ones who aren't smart enough to turn it off. ip address tracking should be illegal too ? but it isn't. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

01-23-2012, 06:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	You turn your cell phone off? And now they can't track without a warrant no matter the device. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

01-23-2012, 06:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	this has more to do with not blaming Obama for everything. Key Dates: 1978: William R. Reagan obtains a patent for the LoJack System. 1983: LoJack Corporation is traded on NASDAQ. 1985: A prototype of the LoJack System is tested by Massachusetts State Police. 1986: The LoJack System becomes available statewide in Massachusetts. 1988: LoJack receives federal clearance to sell outside of Massachusetts; the company expands into Florida. 1995: LoJack licenses its technology to selected international markets and develops the CarSearch Stolen Vehicle Recovery System, which operates independently of law enforcement networks. 1998: LoJack penetrates the construction and the heavy-equipment industries. 1999: LoJack installs its one millionth LoJack Unit. 2001: Motorola ships its two millionth LoJack Unit to LoJack Corporation. Company History: LoJack Corporation is the recognized world leader in vehicle-tracking technology. In the United States, the company's radio-frequency recovery system--known as the LoJack System--has maintained a higher than 90 percent successful recovery rate since it was offered to consumers some 15 years ago. The LoJack System helps law enforcement personnel to locate, track, and recover stolen vehicles. In 20 states and the District of Columbia, LoJack Corporation operates in areas having the greatest population density and the highest number of new car sales and motor vehicle thefts. In more than 20 countries in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Western Hemisphere, where it is not feasible to implement the full LoJack System, the corporation operates CarSearch, a patented LoJack product that functions independently of law enforcement networks. With more than two million LoJack Units installed worldwide and more than 40,000 retrieved vehicles, LoJack has recovered assets approaching nearly $1 billion in value. Boston Magazine picked LoJack as one of the best places to work in the Boston area; Consumer Digest awarded LoJack a "Best Buy Award"; and Forbes magazine, for the third time, in 2001 named LoJack one of the 200 Best Small Companies in America, ranking LoJack as 96th. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

01-23-2012, 06:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
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01-23-2012, 06:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	LoJack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Lojack products can be used to track stolen vehicles, motorcycles, construction equipment, long-haul trucking equipment and cargo. Other types can be used to track people (such as those with Alzheimer's disease and autism) and laptops. An optional component of the LoJack System, Early Warning alerts the owner by phone, e-mail or text message if the protected vehicle has been moved without authorization. A personal key fob sends a signal to the system to disable the warning as long as the owner is carrying it. LoJack offers the Early Warning product for cars, trucks and motorcycles. [edit] for Laptops A software product from Vancouver, British Columbia, based Absolute Software that enables law enforcement to recover stolen laptops by tracing them via the Internet.[9][10] The product was initially sold under the name "Computrace". In 2005, Absolute Software licensed the LoJack brand name and produces the software under both the Computrace and "LoJack for Laptops" product names.[11] Unlike the LoJack for vehicles and equipment products, which use a small radio beacon installed in the tracked device, the Computrace/LoJack for Laptops product is laptop tracking software that periodically phones home to Absolute Software's server to both announce its location and to check to see if the machine has been reported stolen.[12][13] LoJack comes preinstalled in the BIOSes of, at least, Lenovo, HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Panasonic, Toshiba, and Asus machines.[14] It is disabled by default and can be enabled by purchasing a license for Computrace; upon being enabled, the BIOS will copy a downloader named rpcnetp.exe from the BIOS flash ROM to %WINDIR%\System32 (which usually resolves to C:\WINDOWS\System32) which will in turn download the actual agent rpcnet.exe and install it as a windows service. Recently[when?], Dell, Lenovo, Panasonic and Fujitsu appear to have discontinued this method and require manual installation.[citation needed] Once enabled, Computrace cannot be disabled or deinstalled without assistance from Absolute Software, not even by reformatting or substituting the hard disk, because the BIOS keeps reinstalling or repairing it prior to loading the operating system. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

01-23-2012, 07:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	The big difference is YOU have to have LoJack installed of your own free will. I know about location devices from cell phones and laptops and have used them. I don't get your point. Of course information is always being collected through new and not so new technologies. This ruling makes using such information unconstitutional w/out a warrant. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

01-23-2012, 07:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	It may be a step in the right direction. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

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