John F. Kerry

He has been doing this class warfare shit for 3 years now.

... it didnt work.


the economy tanked the moment that Obama started up his class warfare shit 2 years ago - when u insisted on higher tax rates at the start of a recession... and when he tried to force through obamacare...

...so..

his wonderfull..


splendiferous....


fantasmic.....


amazing NEW idea is....


to highlight the class divide and trump up more class warfare and demand new taxes for "millionaires"¹


¹(people making 200,000 a year)




....um.... my question isnt whether a few totally desperate people will or wont buy it, but my question is do u think the congresspeople will literally walk out on him when he tries this shit again?

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John F. Kerry

if he really wanted to do this, why not follow cuomos plan- cuomo cut new york taxes for all middle class people i think like 250,000 and less by 2% and raised them on people making over 2 million by .5%.... something roughly like that.


if obama really wanted to get more revenue from those who dont need the money, and wanted to help the middle class which needs the money, then he would follow andrew cuomo's lead.... but clearly thats not what hes interested in - he needs more money to fund his handouts and wellfare entitlements to the 45% of americans who pay no income tax and vote democrat.

hopefully the 5% of dems not on the federal dime , and all the other people, will team up to ensure that the last gasp of obama is just that.


EDIT- it just occured to me that if any politician on either side would propose a tax revenue increase similar to cuomos plan for ny that only raised taxes on people making real millions, either 1 or a couple.... and combined that with a closing of the loophole to allow for carried interest like romney's to be taxed at the long term cap gains rate... these 2 things would a. get us more revenue b. not hurt the middle class c. make things more equitable without sticking it to a particular group unless you count hedge fund managers....

i dont know why tax policy should be controversial... an idea like the one i just suggested wouldnt be controversial, id say probably 95% of people would agree with it- so why does obama have to change the details, create the proverbial devil in them, and then try to package it as something its not while winking to his liberal base like he and they are the only ones that see whats really up.

friggen ridiculous. politics.

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i would love to see some stats... especially considering they would debunk your thought that the economy started tanking under obama.

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kamikazi89

you honestly believe the economy only tanked two years ago? your memory is rather selective...

class warfare will be a winning strategy in 2012..even the Repubs have been engaging in it.


OWS has had more to do with setting the agenda then any politician, "99 percent" has become part of the vernacular ..."pass this jobs bill" has not lol

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John F. Kerry

the point is that class warfare and OWS are not any kind of answer to the problem.

had we had pro growth policies in place for the last 3 years , half of these complainers would have jobs and not need to complain, and the other half could be afforded.

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John F. Kerry

the economy definately did get WORSE, when obama stuffed obamacare thru the congress.

I personally dont think it was a direct cause and effect, but just in terms of people , mostly the people who work and earn and employ, feeling like they were going to be kicked around and taxed more for the benefit of the people who dont do those things...and then on top of that that their own health care would no longer be controlled by them but would be taken over by the feds that take over everything else and redistribute it as they see fit... that kind of vibe has been reverberating thru the nation for 3 years....and america is so resourceful and amazing that we are pulling out of it now- even despite and in spite of all obamas bulshit policies...
but any repulibcan, even a stupid one, would have caused a much greater confidence in the market among the people who move and shake it. so america will win out eventually... anyway, its like a forgone conclusion.... but with obama its like the america train has to constantly deal with track missing and derailments....

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kamikazi89

you mean among the people who broke it?

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Waves

what the fuck are you talking about with "class warfare"

sounds suspiciously like a GOP talking point to me

also wtf does obama have to do with OWS?

for all we lowly peons know he could have been responsible for it being shut down.

as for jobs and "growth policies" shut the hell up- bush fucked up our economy worse with his "growth policies" than obama did by far.

trickle down economics? bullshit. all that does is create more space between those with wealth and those without.

blaming obama for the state of the economy is like blaming a ships captain cuz the seas are stormy. hes just one guy.

the same thing goes for blaming any one president or administration. we need to get past that bullshit, as americans. stop pointing fingers and start doing what you can do to get this country back on track. all i see you post are indictments of politicians that you disagree with j. i never see you discussing any productive solutions.

any fucking retard can sit here and bash the other side. thats how the country has been run since its inception and look where its gotten us. a politicial arena that is completely black and white and polarized, where you either elect the guy way to the left or the guy way to the right.

cant we evolve already? jesus.

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DING DING DING we have a winner.



man, i was enjoying debating.... hopefuly jfk stays out of kami and i's way

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this is jfk's mantra man, its what he does

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Roach

In the interest of keeping these boards somewhat civil, I will not call jfk a complete idiot.

I'll just vote for the best candidate for president.

Obama.

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stoneric

We have evolved. nixon would be considered "left" today.

Roach

nixon would be considered "left out" today.



he broke the golden rule of politicians and bank robbers, "Don't get caught"

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Kompressor

A have a theory that People who can't/refuse to see the difference in their authority figures have father issues.

[This is not targeted at anyone specifically]

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SageTree

I stopped reading after this sensational remark.

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wellfleation

The ones re-enforcing class warfare are the republicans themselves just by talking.

Mitt - "$350,000 isn't a lot of money!" Well not to you. You make $57,000 a day not even working, making money off other peoples money, and on top of that, paying 1/2 in taxes than those of us who actually work for a living and are lucky if we make 57,000 a year. Fair, huh?

Mit - "The foreclosure process should go through it's natural course. Then investors will buy up the properties [for next to nothing, of course], fix them up, and then rent them.." Great Mitt, from home ownership to renters. Meanwhile, while channeling more money from the middle class to to super wealthy. Thanks for respecting the American Dream. Out of touch much?

Mitt on paying 14% in taxes - "I paid my taxes in full and not a dime more!" Yeah, by taking advantage of oversea bank accounts and loopholes only available to the super rich? People like Mitt, whose is rich because daddy took advantage of American Freedoms; he should be more than happy to not only pay taxes but pay HIS FAIR SHARE.

There are numerous other examples with Newt as well. So all republicans have to do is open their mouths and they themselves, being so out of touch with reality, show why the rest of us should be angry.

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wellfleation

I'm sick of this bull-shit too. You really ought to read more before you post the propaganda you hear but never educate yourself about. Obama's health care plan has only very small portions in effect at this time and just VERY recently. So you are full of shit.

And my 60-year-old co-worker is anything but bitching that his recently graduated from college daughter is able to stay on his health care plan. Actually, I have several co-workers reaping this benefit alone and who are VERY thankful.

But this is a very small piece. Again, most of his plan doesn't even go into effect for another 5 years. Independent studies have shown his plan SAVES money over the long term. So to say the economy is suffering and pointing to this is simply the ultimate straw-man.

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wellfleation

If the shit didn't hit the fan, Nixon had a health care plan WAY more "liberal" (whatever the fuck that means) ready to submit - look it up.

Shit, their hero Reagan would be considered left now-a-days. That's because there is no such thing as liberal in American politics. Center right is the new "liberal".

j-wonder is an an example of a right wing extremist, which unfortunately seems to now be the republican base. I would run from that implosion.

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John F. Kerry

i appreciate that some of you are obama schills.

but how has the economy been doing well for the past three years?

by what measure?

or you're still on the its-bush's-fault-obama-inherited-it shtick ?

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John F. Kerry

and as if you need any further proof, you would see that i am in favor of possible tax increases, and closing the carried interest loophole. i just dont think that saying your going to raise taxes on "millionaires and billionaries" only to have it come down on people who make 200k a year, to me, thats just a plain old fashioned lie.

so if you put me on a political continuum, the idea that i would be a right wing extremist, makes me wonder what you would call actual right wing extremists... despite it being convenient to your slash and burn campaign against anybody who doesnt drink the O-mans kool aid, i simply am not and cannot be pigeonholed as a right wing ideologue.

...just like how obama said that with his plan you could "keep the plan you like best".... even tho under his plan, that plan would be forced to compete unfairly with other plans that are subsidized by taxpayers and thus, you wouldnt be able to keep the plan you like best, because your plan as it was pre obamacare, will not be around, five years post obamacare.... so
the main thing about obama that pisses me off is how he frames his policy ideas to slickly lie about the most important parts- and then the liberal media gets all excited about those parts and talks about them- but still they all sorta half pretend that those parts arent going to do what they congratulate themselves about the plan actually doing.... so its like a lie, and we also see the wink, but apparently they think we're too stupid to notice... its like the ultimate contempt for people.

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