Roach

Let me ask a question.

Do you realy think either bush or obama in their "killing of whatever people you're talking about", are motivated by stopping terrorism, seeking oil, or trying to satisfy jewish hatred of Arabs ?


you only get to choose one answer.

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stoneric

ok dude.

kitch

I just think it's pathetic that people bash Obama and act like there's some one capable of doing a better job.

It's easy to say some one else is wrong without saying what's right.

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Cerpin Taxt

I don't think anyone wants to bash Obama, but everyone banked on him being a catalyst for a major shift in American politics, and it just hasn't happened.

Therefore, it's the system itself that is now being brought into question more than it ever has before. Rightfully so. I don't buy that these various bills being proposed to censor/regulate/restrict the Internet are a coincidence.

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Roach

ok dude

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Roach

yet.

I wouldnt be surprised if he's the next 3 term president.

maybe 4

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Terry

^^Reported as spam. Do try to at least stay in the ballpark of the topic, thanks.

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Cerpin Taxt

I think he makes a rather convincing argument Terry. Let stoneric try and muster up a rebuttal to that.

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Terry

lol you got a point there. Hard to argue with three feet of smilies flipping you off.

Also hard to see the point though.

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Sir-Ex

You fucking idiots are gonna keep arguing and then some shit's going to happen that'll make you realize you're arguing about fuck all.

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Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

BudSniffer

"Change"

You promised
We believed you
The water's getting high
I got I,
You got you,
Why must we choose and die
Yeah, yeah
Why must we choose and die

We are, we are
Waiting, waiting
We keep hearin' the change has come and gone
It's been too long
If it's comin'
I wanna know where the change is coming from

Deep pockets
Bodies piled high
How can you sleep at night

I got I,
You got you,
Why must we choose and die
Yeah, yeah
Why must we choose and die

We are, we are
Waiting, waiting
We keep hearin' the change has come and gone
It's been too long
If it's comin'
I wanna know where the change is coming from

Make no move
It's dark
It's true
If you can
It's time
You do

We are, we are
Waiting, waiting
We are, we are
We're waiting for a change

We are, we are
Waiting, waiting
We keep hearin' the change has come and gone
It's been too long
If it's comin'
I wanna know where the change is coming from

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BudSniffer

Just my opinion ya'll, but it doesn't matter, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan.... They are all the same........None of them were for us, it's about what them and their buddies and financiers want, and what makes them look good to the people, to convince us that they are doing what we want, when in reality, none of it is for us......

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kitch

I can't find the clip but all this reminds me so much of the southpark episode the day after obama was elected, when randy parties too hard and wakes up and starts shouting "where are my pants!?!?! WHERE'S MY TV!?!?! WHERE ARE MY PANTS AND TV!? OBAMA SAID EVERYTHING WAS GONNA BE BETTER HE LIED TO US!!!

the reason people perceive him as failing is only because our expectations were unreasonably high. The man is not God but people seemed to think he could some how singlehandedly save the country. Tough titties kids, one man can't do much even if he is the president, especially when congress is blocking every move he tries to make. Your issue should be with republicans in the house and senate who fillibuster or add amendments to bills to stop progress. Instead you target the one man who's trying his best to fix the country. Ain't that some shit. Just because he couldn't override any opposition you guys are ready to throw him to the wolves.

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kamikazi89

the afghanistan surge was an enormous waste of time and resources

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Roach

^ overlooking the fact that he's with drawn troops from Iraq, and will be removing them from Afghanistan in 2013.

{while fighting the republicans...(the ones leading the republican races) want to send troops back into Iraq., And maintain the war in Afghanistan.}

never enough is it ?

Meanwhile America's Israeli intelligence keeps badgering the US to invade Iran, while assassinating Iran's nuclear scientists.

all this while trying to pass any one of (four so far) jobs bills through the house.

but that's the mark of failure

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kamikazi89

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Galt

While I support your premise and empathize with your frustration and rage, I think you're missing the mark. Nobody owes us shit. You want government out of the way, that means that we all do for ourselves, and I'm fine with that, but there's a huge percentage of our populace that can't survive in Darwin's world, so they work for the government.

No fan of Romney at all, but the tax equation is also way off base. His net rate is meaningless, just like the whole Buffett/secretary scam. If you were able to resist the temptation to borrow and live at or beyond your means, you would have acquired what is called wealth - and the first chunk of that earnings is tax free. Then as you earn more you pay more. What you do with the money that you have left over is totally up to you. Most of the less educated we'll call them, choose to spend it.

New cell phones, leased cars, some ink and maybe a new grill or a nice vacation, hey... how about a stack of lottery tickets? These aren't investments, they are straight up expenses that people choose to make every day 'cuz they see shit on the vidiot box and gotta have it... so they go get it. That's the end of their money... all gone. Easy come, easy go. Go visit one of the state sponsored casino's some time and watch all of the pensioners that wander in to piss their savings and SSI checks away, it's utterly confounding!

Mr. Romney in particular, comes from the "No Fun" cult. The Mormons aren't really big on the whole drinkin' and smokin' thing to start with, so they already have a leg up on the average idiot. Just look at the knucklehead and his significant other that smoke cigs. At a pack a day each, that's about a million dollars in a working lifetime (time value of money, etc.). Let's add some weed, and maybe some alcohol to the equation and there's another million. Maybe, instead of going to Red Lobster or TGIF and dropping $40-50 one night a week, ya stay home and eat. Maybe ya brown bag it to work and make your coffee at home and skip the Star Bucks? Bingo... another mil. Gettin' rich is NOT as hard as it sounds, it's more about being disciplined than lucky or smart (although one could argue that not getting sucked into the consumerist lifestyle is smart).

So whether you saved every penny, or just managed a decent job that let ya put a few sheckles away steady like, eventually, wherever you put that money it would presumably and hopefully grow. Now we are talking about money that you have ALREADY paid taxes on ONCE. So let's say that you ain't the swiftest day trader and you just dumped your money into some sort of index fund that maybe paid you a 5% return. That 5% is "unearned income", be it interest on savings or a dividend from a stock. Unless you bought into some sort of government debt instrument that offers tax free returns, the government WILL have a piece of whatever you just received. Since not only the stock market, but also their debt market (we call them bonds) are dependent on sucker capital to keep their shit rolling, they want to encourage the folks with the mostest to let them have it to play with some more... and to collect a tax on it yet again.

Let's face it, up to a point we all have the same basic needs. Romney's house and car cost a lot more, and he doubtless eats much better food, but at the end of the day, a guy can only spend so much and need so much, so as you acquire wealth, it tends to become its own multiplier. This is not the result of some evil manipulation by the 1%, it's just simple math. The danger is that the have not's get consumed with their wants and forget that the real evil is at the very tip top of the food chain. The rest of us are honestly just trying to stay off of the bottom or get to where he is. The simple truth is that he should have paid even less tax than he did.

Why should the government get a second bight of OUR apple. They tax everything that we buy, the money that we earned to buy it with, the gas used to get us to work and the store, the tires on the car and the car that carried us. We paid to build the road and then pay a toll to use it, while trying not to get picked out for another tax for how we use it. They tax what we save, what we watch, what we eat, smoke and drink. They tax our home when we buy it, and tax us every year to live in it, before taxing us again when we sell it, and if there's anything left when we die.... they tax the fuck out of that too. And what do they do with all of that tax money? Well other than make sure that they and theirs get well rewarded, pretty much waste the fuck out of it in ways that even we wouldn't ever consider spending it on. Declaring war on drugs?

I disagree with Romney's politics and would never vote for him or Obama, but what he does and did with his money is no better, no worse than any jackass that pisses his hard earned pay down toilet every Friday night. He paid his tax on it when he first earned it, and then decided to save it instead of drinkin' it or smokin' it. Just 'cuz he did and you maybe didn't, isn't a reason to hate. Him wanting to keep using OUR money to support American hegemony... now that's a reason to hate, but that's also where he and all of the rest become indistinguishable from one another, except Dr. Paul of course.

There isn't much of anything that's wrong that we can't better fix by getting government out of it, but that brings me right back to the original problem and the issue of what do we do with a huge percentage of the populace whose only "skill" is doing what they are told (government employees). They will all likely starve if we were to force them to try and coexists out in the real world (not that that would bother me), but then who would clean up all of those corpses?

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Wow. So what's your excuse for his first two years when he and his Democratic Congressional majority were like crack ho's gone wild. "We'll read it after we pass it"???

Oh... that's right, he couldn't do shit but fuck things up worse 'cuz of Bush.

So if he's such a complete fucking zero... just why are we paying this fool?

One man can't do anything? How very collectivist of you. It takes a village, huh Hitlery?

Never ceases to amaze me that with the Democrats controlling half of the legislative branch, and the Executive branch, it's the minority of the minority party that actually call the shots and decide our future. How can you actually even say that in your head and make sense of it? And while you're at it, how is it that Clinton, when faced with a salamander led House, still managed to find a way to take credit for accomplishing so much - if we are to believe the Liberals' revisionist history? Sounds like stealing my cake and eating it too.

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stoneric

He withdrew the troops from Iraq because they wouldn't extend the SOFA. obomba wanted continued immunity from our indiscriminate killing and Iraq said no. We still have a large footprint in Iraq as we will in Afghanistan after we "withdraw" from there. And the initial withdraw will be the additional troops he sent since taking office.

I give obomba credit for holding back the israel firsters in their quest for war with Iran. Still, no diplomacy and the "we leave all options on the table" threat continues.

Bitching about obomba's foreign policy doesn't mean I agree with the leading contenders in the republican race. I don't accept the lesser of two evils argument.

Edit: minus the birds.