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Old 03-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The intent of the law is so that it will make it easy for citizens to protect themselves against criminals. Could you outline your idea of a law better for this?
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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lol at that stupid bitch mothernature calling florida the "deep south"...

that made me laugh heartily out loud at her and her ignorance...

75% of people here are transplants from the north...hardly the deep south when every other person has a yankees license plate...
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I am all for self defense, but extricating ones self from harm, is rule number one in self defense. Chasing a threat, and then confronting it, I believe, nullifies any claim of "Self Defense". I would rather fend for myself, than have this idiot "defending" my neighborhood.
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Old 03-25-2012, 02:03 AM   #24 (permalink)
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lol at that stupid bitch mothernature calling florida the "deep south"...

that made me laugh heartily out loud at her and her ignorance...

75% of people here are transplants from the north...hardly the deep south when every other person has a yankees license plate...
GHM, nice to see you. Missed your smiling face.

I never said it wasn't a nice place to visit.

Since you are our resident Florida YaHookan, lemma ask you this...

Were you born there? Do you have a yankee license plate? Do you date black women? Do you think you are racist? Just wondering.
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The intent of the law is so that it will make it easy for citizens to protect themselves against criminals. Could you outline your idea of a law better for this?
Problem is in this case it looks like this law led to a criminal being treat like a law abiding citizen and a victim being treat like a criminal.

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:45 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Problem is in this case it looks like this law led to a criminal being treat like a law abiding citizen and a victim being treat like a criminal.
I'll concede the fact that this law leaves it wide open for a person to abuse; and that needs to be fixed. However, I think it's important for people to have a legal avenue for citizens to defend themselves against criminals.

I'd hate to turn into England (see their riots last year along with their laws for the public to defend themselves).
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The UK laws are skewed one way, Florida et al have laws that are skewed another.

Both to the detriment of the law abiding citizen.
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The intent of the law is so that it will make it easy for citizens to protect themselves against criminals. Could you outline your idea of a law better for this?
The law is ridiculous. If you shoot someone you SHOULD be arrested unless theres absolutely no doubt it was self defence.
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The UK laws are skewed one way, Florida et al have laws that are skewed another.

Both to the detriment of the law abiding citizen.


I agree with your assessment but what would the "happy medium" be to you?
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The law is ridiculous. If you shoot someone you SHOULD be arrested unless theres absolutely no doubt it was self defence.
I think that law legally defines what "self defense" is in that county.
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Yes, in a stupid way.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:47 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Yes, in a stupid way.
How would you define self defense?
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GHM, nice to see you. Missed your smiling face.

I never said it wasn't a nice place to visit.

Since you are our resident Florida YaHookan, lemma ask you this...

Were you born there? Do you have a yankee license plate? Do you date black women? Do you think you are racist? Just wondering.
I never said you said that florida wasn't nice, I had issue with you calling it the deep south...

ghm is not my name, its obviously dan...learn to read please...

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Florida is mostly Jews, puerto Ricans from NY and other old folks. Then there's killa the only azn in state, a bunch of trannys then a bunch of trailer/swamp folk and they're dumbshits regardless of region.

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How would you define self defense?
Well it definitely isnt shooting someone because he looks dodgy/is black
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Well it definitely isnt shooting someone because he looks dodgy/is black
Pretty sure Zimmerman was attacked by Martin. I just don't know how it was provoked.
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The law is ridiculous. If you shoot someone you SHOULD be arrested unless theres absolutely no doubt it was self defence.
thats an "objective" standard that i could drive a semi through.

...who determines whats objective? the police?

if u see two people lying on the ground, a gun between them, how do u come to figure out what happened to the point of "absolutely no doubt"?

anything about skittles and ice tea is just after the fact armchair quarterbacking... its no different than how nancy grace "knew" natalie holloway was killed by that dutch dude....

ill try to put it into terms that may pull at the heartstrings of u limeys... its just like how obama got up and shat upon BP after the oil spill...even tho as more evidence came out it seemed like halliburton had a huge share of the blame- .... sure there was some evidence for both versions of the "Truth" but how can u say that one or the other was beyond doubt?

most people like to think that there is only one version of the truth - the one they believe. but when asked why they believe it they often cant give anywhere near a satisfactory answer.
(not saying this applies to u just trying to illustrate)
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Pretty sure Zimmerman was attacked by Martin. I just don't know how it was provoked.
pretty sure you weren't there. pretty sure no one knows, as evidence is coming out zimmerman pushed martin.
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Man with a gun and a hint of authority came up against a man who thought he don't have to answer to another man when he wasn't doing shit.

They're both right.

Zimmerman asked to be the eyes of the community.

Martin was in his own 'hood, where he should expect to be able to roam free if he aint doin' shit.

They're both wrong too.

Zimmerman should know who is who and where is where, you need to be the brain behind the eyes of the community and if it was too hard to tell who is who because they all look alike to you then you don't need to be gun totin' and decision making. Your weapon should be a phone and nothing more.

Martin should have left it alone, in a moment he probably could have diffused the situation by showing a clear face, addressing Zimmerman by name (I'm speculating the kid had to know about that fucked up wannabe cop, I knew who to avoid at 13 FFS) and did his best to avoid the man instead of having the testosterone kick in and his manliness attacked.

Again, I'm just guessing, none of us were there but I do know if cooler heads would have prevailed then we would be discussing how to roll the perfect Tulip right now.
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