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Old 04-15-2012, 04:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rich people and taxes... thoughts?




IMO what people forget is that taxes were paid to lay the infrastructure and services that allowed the rich and super rich to gain all of that wealth. It is A LOT harder in these days to start off a life, build a solid base and possibly take chances to become more than just solid. Now its tough just to survive.
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but I do show—thanks to a lot of in-depth interviews with GOP sources—how they plotted to obstruct Obama before he even took office. I show how the stimulus was chock full of stuff they claimed to support until Jan. 20, 2009—not just things like health IT and the smart grid and energy efficiency and scientific research, but the very idea of Keynesian stimulus. Every presidential candidate in 2008 proposed a stimulus package, and Mitt Romney’s was the largest.
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Sounds like a plan but it won't happen
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I know it won't, big money controls politics too much. I wouldn't have a problem having all political campaigns funded publicly and not allow any donations. Or at least not allow any corporate donations at all. Looking for some other opinions and ideas and such, helps me decide my opinions.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you have concerns about the unlimited amount of money that can be poured in to candidates by corporations, you will want to read this article to bring you up to date on whats about to go down.

Citizens United Faces Constitutional Challenge in Supreme Court -- WASHINGTON, April 13, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
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The Supreme Court is supremely partisan. That is it's downfall.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Which is why Obama needs to have a second term, or else we get stuck with more Repub judges if Raw Money gets the win.
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I bet if you add up all the tax loopholes, givebacks, and exceptions, and big Co. probably takes far more government welfare, aid, whatever you want to call it than all welfare recipients combined. If not, it's gotta be close.

The game is rigged. It just becoming more obvious now that communication is so widely available via the internet. So what do the well-healed do? They start the usual smear campaign of blaming those with no voice and no power, the poor. Fuck these whiney never really worked a day in their lives (that is MOST of them) ass-holes. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire and I'm 100% sure the feeling is mutual. I am fine with that cause the rich are generally smug douche-bags who believe because 1% of their their net worth is is a couple million dollars, and therefore, when they donate a couple of million dollars they are treated like angels, when in fact they are simply wiping their asses with dollar bills to keep the masses just fat, just happy, and just stupid enough to ignore them while they use and abuse our country, our resources, our environment, while continuing to exploit any human that can make them more money.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I like that idea. It's always anti-help for the poor, cut government assistance etc etc. Yet the people usually calling for that are receiving more aide than the poor.
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I do realize their are some heavy generalizations there. But I stand by them based on my experiences.
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Getting rid of loopholes would be a good start.
There is no reason that a CEO should have a lesser tax rate than his secretary.
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Spreading my money around like that. My parents whom this money came from would be bull-shit! We earned this money in America and deserve to keep every last penny we can. It's the "patriotic" thing to do! It's not my fault you didn't inherit a boatload of money like me!

I got mine, fuck you, You suck, I win. It's the new American way.
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If you want people to act in a moral fashion you must give them incentives...

Now the system gives incentives to the immoral and cheats, it must be reconfigured to reward "moral" behavior...

I do not have any answers but it is clear as day that the people who have the biggest burden of responsibly are taking the path of least resistance rather than doing the "right" thing...
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Across concrete fields of broken glass
with five year olds having heart attacks
You fed em too well on TV
cut me I wont even bleed
My bloods as lazy as the mums and dads
whose fantastic mundane can't all be bad
So lets just keep eating more, more, more, more and more

And then we all go throw up on the poor
If I could talk to you
And only speak the truth

We are so happy
happy to see
all of our children will run blind and free
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SOCIALIST!
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If you want people to act in a moral fashion you must give them incentives...

Now the system gives incentives to the immoral and cheats, it must be reconfigured to reward "moral" behavior...

I do not have any answers but it is clear as day that the people who have the biggest burden of responsibly are taking the path of least resistance rather than doing the "right" thing...
Mr. Grieves for Prez!

This is a brilliant post man....

1000% agree, thanks for concisely hitting this nail on the head.
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Wow, you said "hit the nail on the head" at the exact same time I post the above (9:13).

I'm getting out a here!
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bang on dude!


great or not... we're thinkin' alike!

But how CAN you disagree with Grieves' post?

I've said for a long time Socialism needs more heart and Capitalism need morals but it was great the way G put it.
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How do you think the rich got that way...?

Taxing them will only make them poorer..

You cannot expect an aristocrat to live on a middle class income, what are you crazy ?

Not all wealthy folks are total crooks...

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trickle down doesn't work

vacuum up does.

aka, money rich people save doesn't go anywhere but a bank account.
money poor people save goes into paying off bills owed to the rich people.
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someone paid attention in class.


Now, tell me who makes the laws that govern the rich in a "rich way" and the poor in a poor way ?


That would be the poor correct ?....majority rules ?


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