Ron Paul causing quite a stir (Winning Iowa, Minnesota, Washington and more)

Snowmayne · 05-03-2012, 01:39 AM

Snowmayne · 05-03-2012, 07:33 AM

I'd also like to point out these aren't straw polls, these are delegates.

**Jimmycube** · 05-03-2012, 07:57 AM

mang MN is such a odd state..half ron paul...half santorum?

there is a big divide among the way the new guard sees the old guard

Rubix · 05-03-2012, 07:59 AM

Fuckin right

deadhead94 · 05-03-2012, 08:05 AM

That guy is a physician who thinks we all just appeared out of thin air. why would anyone elect that?

because he says he would legalize?

he will change his tune pretty fucking quick once he's on office.

good luck with that.

at least gwb was up front about his bullshit.

Snowmayne · 05-03-2012, 10:00 AM

lol, one of those people huh

Buds Bundy · 05-03-2012, 10:47 AM

shouldnt this be in politics and current affairs

**Stonie Jo** · 05-03-2012, 11:39 AM

Yes.

farmergiles · 05-03-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deadhead94

That guy is a physician who thinks we all just appeared out of thin air. why would anyone elect that?

because he says he would legalize?

he will change his tune pretty fucking quick once he's on office.

He has been very consistent with his views in his long political career, more so than any other living politician I can think of.

Who cares what his religious beliefs are, I don't think it has any bearing on his politics.

A more serious issue is that congress would likely try to block his every move, but that's hardly his fault, they would likely do the same to any other president that actually had any balls.

The only thing about Paul I would worry about is that his policies on welfare and public services might cause a lot of hardship.

fenderbender · 05-03-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by farmergiles

The only thing about Paul I would worry about is that his policies on welfare and public services might cause a lot of hardship.

^

cant be looked past if you ask me.

i think electing ron paul would do more damage than good in all honesty. Of course i like many of the things he says, not enough to ignore other things tho...

idk, i think we should wait for a better version of ron paul to come around...

stoneric · 05-03-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhead94

That guy is a physician who thinks we all just appeared out of thin air. why would anyone elect that?

because he says he would legalize?

he will change his tune pretty fucking quick once he's on office.

good luck with that.

at least gwb was up front about his bullshit.

"gwb was upfront about his bullshit" Are you fucking kidding me? If he was pinnocio his nose would stretch from coast to coast.

deadhead94 · 05-03-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stoneric

"gwb was upfront about his bullshit" Are you fucking kidding me? If he was pinnocio his nose would stretch from coast to coast.

You can't have bullshit without lying. But gwb's lies were so outlandish, you would have to know they were lies. unless you are a little on the slow side.

farmergiles · 05-03-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhead94

gwb's lies were so outlandish, you would have to know they were lies. unless you are a little on the slow side.

Strangely enough he got voted in once and no one (much) questioned the first time he got in despite not actually being voted in.

Snowmayne · 05-03-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhead94

You can't have bullshit without lying. But gwb's lies were so outlandish, you would have to know they were lies. unless you are a little on the slow side.

brb saying at least someone was upfront and not lying.. then admitting they were lying.

good post dude.

Grieves · 05-03-2012, 03:24 PM

"It's not the liars fault that they are morally flawed...It is the person who falls for the lie that is the one who is flawed"...

wtf...

Snowmayne · 05-03-2012, 03:37 PM

dudes been full of shit ever since he came back, not sure why we should buy into it now.

Terry · 05-03-2012, 03:41 PM

He's just cranky because he works in billing. This place is the only thing stopping him from a full-on office massacre.

farmergiles · 05-03-2012, 03:56 PM

Being · 05-03-2012, 04:20 PM

Paul Krugman To Ron Paul: 'You're Living In A World That Was 150 Years Ago' (VIDEO)

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"You can't leave the government out of monetary policy," Krugman said during the not-quite-epic debate billed as "Paul vs. Paul." "If you think that you can avoid that you're living in the world that was 150 years ago."

This New Federal Reserve Report Debunks Two Big Ron Paul Conspiracy Theories - Business Insider

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The Federal Reserve's Inspector General revealed the findings of a 16-month investigation into two big Ron Paul conspiracy theories this week, publishing a new report that claims to disprove Paul's allegations that the central bank played a role in the Watergate scandal and helped facilitate weapons loans to Iraq in the 1980s.

Read more: This New Federal Reserve Report Debunks Two Big Ron Paul Conspiracy Theories - Business Insider

Ron Paul's Hypocrisy on Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending - Yahoo! News

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Ron Paul runs political ads targeting Rick Santorum, accusing him of being a "fake" fiscal conservative. He criticizes Santorum's use of congressional earmarks, but Paul himself has put in for over half a billion dollars in earmarks for his district in the past two fiscal years.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01...vote-for-paul/

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10 Reasons Not To Vote For Ron Paul
Addicting Info posted an article several months ago regarding Ron Paul and his ties to white supremacy, and we were barraged with pleas and “stories” to win us over. In honor of Ron Paul’s obsessive fans we’re publishing the following article, showing his history of discrimination.

Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
As anyone with a blog, YouTube account, MySpace page, or web site knows Ron Paul supporters are everywhere! The internet is filled with them. The frightening thing that I have witnessed is that many liberal voters are giving some credence to Ron Paul’s campaign and message. He somehow comes across as different or better than the run of the mill conservatives filling the Republican ticket.

I do not support Ron Paul at all, and I find his Congressional record and policies to be, at times, even scarier than his counterparts. The only thing that I have found to agree with him on is the fact that he does not support the war in Iraq. After extensive research I have compiled a list of 10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul!

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.

2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720

4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary

5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936

6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154

7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?

10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

So there you have it, my 10 reasons not to vote for Ron Paul. Please take the time to thoroughly review the records of the people running for office so you know where they really stand. Ron Paul has good rhetoric and he opposes the war but he’s not a good man in the human rights sense of the phrase. He is pretty much like every other Republican but more insidious. Here is a video that you should watch after reading this article. Really listen to what he says and how he says it. Watch out for the sneaky ones and RESEARCH! ((Orcinus: Ron Paul’s Record in Congress ))

just a few points....

I'm sorry, but this guy is dangerous and IMO he's not this honest guy everyone makes him out to be. Yeah he may want to legalize weed, but thats it. And I'm sorry, there never has been any politician that will say they are for the war. Everything else about him is either about saving us from his crackpot conspiracy theories or having the church and state become one.

stoneric · 05-03-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Being

And I'm sorry, there never has been any politician that will say they are for the war.

Seriously?

05-03-2012, 01:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,864 Thanks: 611 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 1,462 Posts	Ron Paul causing quite a stir (Winning Iowa, Minnesota, Washington and more) __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! " ☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★ we JACKED, you mad?☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★

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Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,864 Thanks: 611 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 1,462 Posts	I'd also like to point out these aren't straw polls, these are delegates. __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! " ☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★ we JACKED, you mad?☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★

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Rubix Stoner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 8,866 Thanks: 3,416 Thanked 1,150 Times in 834 Posts	Fuckin right __________________ "The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease." -Thomas Edison

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Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,864 Thanks: 611 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 1,462 Posts	lol, one of those people huh __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! " ☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★ we JACKED, you mad?☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★

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Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,864 Thanks: 611 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 1,462 Posts	dudes been full of shit ever since he came back, not sure why we should buy into it now. __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! " ☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★ we JACKED, you mad?☆ ★ ☆ ★ ☆ ★

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