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Old 07-24-2012, 08:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How attached to a party are you?

How many people really sit there and twiddle their thumbs and think.... hmmmm who am I going to vote for?

I could never vote for a Republican.... It boils down to a few basic ideas... The environment, guns,... well pretty much all social issues I agree 100% with the democrats.

I will say that my believes are not set in stone... there are a few republicans I do like... I do like McCain, Governor George Pataki has done more then any other governor of NY for the environment. Senator Olympia Snowe might be my favorite Republican....

So wouldn't it make sense for politicians to try and get the other 40% of people to just vote for them(40% of Americans do not vote), opposed to trying and persuaded others to (switch) there side?
will that 40% ever vote?

Can we possibly keep this based in feasible politics...
Can we stay away from F the parties, American politics are BS, etc......
It's the system we are working with now and we need to use it to our benefit.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same coin. Voting for either party will only make this country worse, not better.

Some exceptions include politicians like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, who actually have convictions.
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Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same coin. Voting for either party will only make this country worse, not better.

Some exceptions include politicians like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, who actually have convictions.
Love that quote Terry. Totally shared that on FB.

I've been reading about Christian communism/socialism/anarchy lately.

Always thought it interesting that is one place where both had a pretty strong rally for a while there....
before communismz and socialismz were turned evil in America's eyes.

Funny to me how Christianity/Freedom is made the antithesis of these Two Ideas . And wonder how many people really know that they were intertwined with each other for a long long time.... maybe since the Christianity started even?

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Old 07-25-2012, 09:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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and there it goes out the window...... I was hoping the conversation would not go this way...

though I do share theses believes at the root. We need to work with the current system-in-hand and take it step by step.

I truly believe there are politicians that are doing what they honestly believe is correct. A lot more then people think.

Just think about your job... you might have a great idea, but for the most part you can't just walk into the president's office and make a proposal. So say a senator has an idea he is very passionate about. To get the bill/idea through he/she has to play the game... it's the only way.... so playing the game might make him/her looks bad from an outsiders POV.
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'Within the system' I'd really like it if third party candidates got a fair chance.

Winning an election seems more about money and exposure,
than common sense issues w/ composure.

So who the heck to I elect in the Dem vs Rep system to make that happen?
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elaboration:

the systems fucked, we need a new one. or at least a GIGANTIC SHIFT away from what is currently.

those with power arent just going to GIVE IT up. the people without power have to literally take it from them, just like has happened with transfers of power in every other country in every other society throughout history.

its the way our country was CREATED for fucks sake. Its our very tradition.

as much as it sounds great to have this change from within the system, its becoming more and more apparent to me that its not going to happen and the system is designed in fact, so it DOESNT happen.

the only thing that can fix the shit happening is if the people who arent getting their needs met force those in power to meet those needs. (again, just like has happened throughout history) just look around the world right now. people are rising up and taking the power away from those with it all over the place. in a place like america where everyone is still relatively prosperous and content, its going to take alot of corruption being exposed, alot of shitty situations are going to have to get REALLY SHITTY so people get pissed off enough to do something about it. I see that happening right now in our financial system, OWS was a movement in this vein, just a really shitty movement with not enough momentum and organization.

to quote Rage, "What better place than here, what better time than now?"
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Waves you are completely correct... but I have this glimmer of hope that, we can reform things without a mass take over.... honestly I really don't feel like dealing with that...

I honestly think we can tweak things... it may take a long time, but tearing down a system and rebuilding it, also takes a long time as well. And all of those countries in the past 30+ years that have revolted are no place I would want to live.
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the system is fucked everywhere. i wouldn't want to try and argue that canada is better, because if a party gets a majority they are even less accountable and more powerful than an american president. also somehow the main parties have convinced the people who vote that coalitions between parties are impossible

but then again where i am from nobody likes to vote anyway.
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and ps. the lol was because of you thinking there is any way to change the system by playing their game

that is the stupidest thing i have heard in a while
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also somehow the main parties have convinced the people who vote that coalitions between parties are impossible
they play that game here too. our hot word in the states is to call it "partisanship"

its hilarious, all you have to do to convince the people that compromise is impossible is set up two parties with completely polarized values and give each party specific talking points that correspond to those values. then setup entertainment news channels that run 24/7 broadcasting these talking points and voila youve got yourself control over a modern citizenship. since each party has polarized values, its almost a guarentee that your average citizen will agree with and align themselves with one of the two parties.

thats why you see such a large grassroots following springing up around ron paul and why someone like ron paul would never ever become president in our current system.

its almost like out of an RTS game or something.

its a complete douche-or-turd-sandwich situation and it aint going to change until the people demand it. until they can see they are participating in what is effectively a mass illusion or delusion.
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I have no party affiliation...Nor will I ever..

Stances on issues are just the lies that politicians tell to get their constituents/lobby groups to fund their run at office...
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IMO the best, easiest way to make the biggest impact TODAY would be to not allow corporate donations to politicians. Period. And then from there, don't allow any donations to politicians at all. I would rather pay a few more cents in taxes to fund campaigns if it meant our politicians and government would be that much more honest, and that much more concerned with the citizens and not the dollars.
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why do they even need your money for advertizing? is that supposed to be some legit form of democracy where you pay them to mislead you?
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Well they wouldn't need money for advertisements if our country wasn't so goddamn full of idiots who never do a damn second of research rather than watch american idol or go play angry birds.

So interrupting that music degrading show that is american idol with advertisements about what they are going to do as elected officials is the only way the brain dead part of the country will know about them.
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You guys still think its about actual voting?

ahem....vote rigging machines in florida ring a bell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

this is what i mean when i say the system is setup so it wont fail. theyve got people convinced that its impossible that vote rigging could be happening on such a large scale in such a nice modern civilized society as america!

its like the devils greatest feat was convincing the world he doesnt exist type shit. scary.

i think there exist some ultra-powerful, ultra-rich motherfuckers that are manipulating finances and legislative processes on levels that would make your average joe simply feint.

this just came out:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_1...$21t-offshore/

i cant even comprehend how much money that is. who are these people with this money?
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Liberal, Conservative, NDP, etc. We are still fucked.
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i think the point is that vote stealing doesn't really matter if most people don't vote or don't care to be informed about what their vote means. so they could steal votes--it doesn't mean they need too.
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