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Old 10-10-2012, 11:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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State Department breaks with administration- insists that "we knew from the start that libya was a terrorist pre planned attack"

State Dept. breaks with administration, says Libya attack not over film | Deseret News

its pretty funny also, how, in focusing on the election , and being obamas fifth column, the media has managed to totally ignore the fact that the state department is basically calling its own higher ups in the executive branch liars.... and that this is all over an incident where our ambassador was killed.

this is certainly an issue at least as big as something like watergate, and possibly as big as something like the "misinformation" that led to the iraq war. but nobody is even talking about it.

i know kami is probably with me on this one.
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this issue is nowhere near as big as watergate. the government lieing about international politics is nothing new dude.

what the fuck is wrong with you lately, have you upped your lithium dose?

ANYTHING THAT PAINTS BARACK OBAMA/DEMOCRATS IN A BAD LIGHT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE SINCE WATERGATE OMG OMG OMG

nigga please...
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its a big deal. straight out of the Bush playbook
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I'm still waiting for someone to admit we should have never backed al qaeda, er, I mean the rebels, in the first place. Now we have to go blow up something otherwise we'll be percieved as being weak. And this is about the only thing that ever gets bi-partisan support.
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its pretty funny also, how, in focusing on the election , and being obamas fifth column, the media has managed to totally ignore the fact that the state department is basically calling its own higher ups in the executive branch liars.... and that this is all over an incident where our ambassador was killed.

this is certainly an issue at least as big as something like watergate, and possibly as big as something like the "misinformation" that led to the iraq war. but nobody is even talking about it.

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blowback shouldnt be a surprise anymore. this is what happens when you engage in illegal wars such as lybia etc... totally predictable. our foriegn policy hasnt changed one bit other then becoming even more muddled. the incompetance is astounding
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Very surprising and alarming news!!! I never would have guessed!!!!

So J, if this is something you bring up and slam obama with you must agree that american foreign policy creates blowback?
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like hillary isnt a neocon herself
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if clinton had access to drones, he would have droned the shit out of kosovo...same goes for elder bush and iraq pt 1...
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drones arent that effective against conventional forces or regaining
territory. th ey are bqest used against lightly armed poor people
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so yes on kosovo, no on iraq 1.0
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idk. they dropped a ton of ordidence in kosovo and drones are pretty limited compared to a battleship
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i c...I feel like if needed and if the tech was available, the administration doesn't really matter, the tech is going to be used if it is the "best possible" action, regardless of if a democrat or a republican is sitting in office...Same for declarations of war, if the "threat" is big enough, it could be you or I sitting in office and the result would be the same...
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i would not rely on drones. right now the admin. is using them pretty indisciminetly. i believe the terrorist threat as it exists is "a law enforcement, intelligence gathering issue and breaking international law and killing innocent people only compounds the problem. now Democrats used to understand this and would make that very same arguement. not anymore. so while i agree that there isnt much difference between Dems and Repubs as far as foriegn policy goes its because no one is eber held accountable for thier misdeeds. if BushCo didnt deserve jail time(or even a decent investigation) i guess no one does. it would help if the parties nominated ethical people for higher offive but they dont..obomba was a fine senator but an aweful president. as senator all you really ever do isake speeches. as president speeches arent enough. when people hear u say one thing, and do another it destroys ur credibility. he uses drones to the extent he does because he is intellectually bankrupt and unwilling to buck the establishment. Ike and to a lesser degree Truman both made decisions unpopular with the military brass. even Reagan did when it came to Lebanon and nuclear arms. all obomba seems willing to do is split the difference so we end up having an esvalation of war with no results and even more distrust of america and its motives
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I'm still waiting for someone to admit we should have never backed al qaeda, er, I mean the rebels, in the first place. Now we have to go blow up something otherwise we'll be percieved as being weak. And this is about the only thing that ever gets bi-partisan support.
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& then they fly planes into buildings and assainate ambasadors. pretty soon all youre left with are enemies
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it really is the height of hubris to go with a story so obviously false so strong

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Yea it was clear without even looking into the issue (I guess unless you have a raging hard on for muslim hate)
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I think its a huge issue. It goes right to obama's "who is best on national security" argument. to put it in as non confrontational and chill a manner as possible, obama didnt get osama bin laden, the apparatus created by Bush and CRITICIZED by OBAMA to get elected only to 180 reverse and support it after getting in leading to the killing of bin laden, besides this, he has done nothing but bow and fawn and apologize to dictators and despots from the arabian gulf to the south china sea... his wavering foreign policies (which are the subject of one of the later debates) have been pretty disastrous all around - heck, he gave a new approach a try, and i give him some credit for that, im not simply casting aspersions on the president, but his policies in the foreign arena havent worked any better than his domestic polcies...and in only a few places does it even really differ from Bush's all that much... hence people like kami, talking all tha tyme.... word. so you see what i mean sukkass?
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I think its a huge issue. It goes right to obama's "who is best on national security" argument. to put it in as non confrontational and chill a manner as possible, obama didnt get osama bin laden, the apparatus created by Bush and CRITICIZED by OBAMA to get elected only to 180 reverse and support it after getting in leading to the killing of bin laden, besides this, he has done nothing but bow and fawn and apologize to dictators and despots from the arabian gulf to the south china sea... his wavering foreign policies (which are the subject of one of the later debates) have been pretty disastrous all around - heck, he gave a new approach a try, and i give him some credit for that, im not simply casting aspersions on the president, but his policies in the foreign arena havent worked any better than his domestic polcies...and in only a few places does it even really differ from Bush's all that much... hence people like kami, talking all tha tyme.... word. so you see what i mean sukkass?
If bush had the "apparatus" in place then why didn't he use it himself? And what apparatus is that anyway? Did bush create the navy seals? Or are you implying toture worked, like the rest of the neocons did following the raid?

Your main problem with obomba's foreign policy is that he doesn't kiss israel's ass enough. And as digusting as his foreign policy is, it pales in comparison to bibi's buddy rawmoney.
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