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Old 11-13-2012, 03:18 PM   #241 (permalink)
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If you belong to a group chances are I could give you a few reasons why it sucks.
First reply to the quote from you, was asking you to get into some self deprecation of your own labels and groups that you are part of.

Are any of the ones I mentioned correct or completely off base?

You belong to a group... do you follow me?

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Oh another thing, i joke alot about racism and shit, but the ironic thing is that none of this shit i mean to be serious, and if you were to look at j-wonder you might find that he has some seriously prejudice feelings about some groups such as arabs that in seriousness make my jokes look like stuff you would find in childrens books.
The next quoted from you that I addressed was pretty much calling you out to be a better man.

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Oh sorry you weren't serious....

Come on dude.... why put more negativity into the world?

'Not serious' is just a bullshit excuse, just as much as you saying 'compared to' is.

At that...you being a 'pretend racist', in my opinion, is worse.

Ignorance isn't bliss, nor an excuse for hate and intolerance....
JFK certain has his share of invalid opinions on race, creed etc....
I can not dispute that.

But a willful act???

You're a better man than that, Waves.
Anymore questions or clarifications you have, send 'em.


I'm not trying to be hard on you man.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:31 PM   #242 (permalink)
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Granted.... J's retort isn't helping deescalate things...
Forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but how exactly is J defending himself against ad hominem attacks and restating his opinion not "deescalating" things?
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:33 PM   #243 (permalink)
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Forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but how exactly is J defending himself against ad hominem attacks and restating his opinion not "deescalating" things?
I understand the purpose in J's response....
but he fired back a weeeeeee bit more than needed, imo.
Hope that answers your question.
I don't mind you asking, btw.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:34 PM   #244 (permalink)
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Also Waves don't you live with your parents? Pot kettle black much, you shut in mouthbreathing molefaced fuck?
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:34 PM   #245 (permalink)
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Man it's much more fun when you can just call people names instead of arguing facts in a so called politics sub-forum!
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:36 PM   #246 (permalink)
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i miss the gentle and caring Terry



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Old 11-13-2012, 03:37 PM   #247 (permalink)
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I'm just trying to prove a point.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:42 PM   #248 (permalink)
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Man it's much more fun when you can just call people names instead of arguing facts in a so called politics sub-forum!
+1 (1 more tongue in cheek that is)

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i miss the gentle and caring Terry
I thought you called Terry a gentile.

I like gentile Terry too.

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Uh I haven't posted in like a week since I've been in the middle of a move but thanks for your misguided concern I guess?
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im talking like this entire past year
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When I hear 'chosen one'.. I think of these two guys.... stole the scenes in that movie!!!

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Old 11-13-2012, 04:23 PM   #253 (permalink)
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J-wonder marra, if you're not rich and you're voting for that shit you're fucking mental.
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im talking like this entire past year
ive noticed this too, terry im worried for you man

you come off as having permanent PMS and i know ur cooler than that
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Also Waves don't you live with your parents? Pot kettle black much, you shut in mouthbreathing molefaced fuck?
no. i do not. and have not for years.

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Man it's much more fun when you can just call people names instead of arguing facts in a so called politics sub-forum!
dude you just did exactly that. you jumped in here and added nothing but insults, and you accused me of hypocrisy. now you are being hypocritical.

terry wtf happened to u man?
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no. i do not. and have not for years.

great job making a dumb assumption and adding nothing to the discussion. we are all dumber for your contributions, play billy madison clip, end post.
You don't recognize the difference between getting help from your parents and getting help from the government?
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I was just following the Waves playbook yo.
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I'd like to take a moment to introduce some interesting statistics into the conversation. Feel free to refer to any of these in your discussion, though I think the interpretation is plain.

I throw in a few anecdotal political cartoons here and there for amusement. Read close!

Also, JFK, what you are about to see are what most sensible people would call evidence, or fact. I don't know what fantasy you're living in where you think no one responds to your posts with anything substantive, because you basically wasted my time in laying out for you a coherent argument about what's wrong with health care today and some possible ways of thinking about answers by not even bothering to acknowledge... And then to waste your time defending your e-honor against ad hominems or OMG the Internet??? It's a slap in the face. You make wild, controversial statements, and then you disappear when the adults are talking?

Let's start with the big picture. Here's a look at a comparison of national health expenditure per capita, by country:



Do you want another look at that?



How about yet another way?



I hate when a graph is all cluttered. Let's look at just the US and its friendly neighbor, Canada. Which, btw, for all those who are interested, is a perfectly legitimate country to compare the US to in terms of population and practicality. We live on the same continent, for Christ's sake. We share the same illnesses. Our technologies and environments are similar. Ask anyone who runs statistical analysis, you can't get a better control group.



Also, another interesting tidbit:



Ok! But maybe being a big spender isn't a big deal, though. Heck, some of the most envied people in the world are those who toil and slave, working day and night making their fortunes -- am I right, JP? And look at all the people this industry employs... Maybe, if we can afford it, spending a lot on care is just a mark of what a great country we live in. Let's see what we're getting.





!!!

So. Looks like we're spending more and getting less. And who is this "we" doing the spending? The government? Our insurance companies? No, friend... unfortunately, it's you and I. Take a look at some troubling data.



Unfortunately, it's not only that the whole country isn't getting the quality of care we should from the dollars we spend in today's system. Income inequality is proven to create even further disparity in health and health outcomes -- the rich aren't as healthy as they could be, and the poor are even worse off.







Health care spending is out of control, and we're getting raped in return for our money. You don't need these graphs to know that's a fact. Single payer recommends a way of reigning in costs without sacrificing effective treatment options or having a deleterious effect on the quality of care.

Some things to think about...









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No one is arguing to keep the current system we have now...
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