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Old 11-26-2012, 09:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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An observation on our political discourse, false anger, and dismissing anything that doesnt fit your worldview.

I just wanted to make a small observation here and see what if anything anybody had to say about it.

Now, granted, to follow what im talking about you have to be familiar with a number of recent and past few years events in politics. I dont feel like laying out the whole thing right now, so Ill just try to summarize.

Remember ACORN?

Obama to ACORN: You've Got a Friend in Me - Katie Pavlich

the company that took tons of taxpayer federal money and hired low income community organizers in the inner cities to advise pimps and prostitutes how to claim underage el salvadorian child prostitutes as dependents for tax purposes?

if not, have a watch of those videos for a second to refresh you memory.

Now. Its just interesting to me to observe. The Left wing mainsteam media is not interested in truth...at all. If you watch some more videos related to those either on youtube or by searching, you can find Rachel Maddow again and again talking about the "fake ACORN videos" ... and all the other left wing people talking about "selective editing". and other bs. But, the employees in the videos, WERE ALL FIRED.... so obviously they did something wrong, and its just kind of amazing ot me, because this was in 2009, so with Obama in office (edit)...and all we heard from the New York Times, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS was about how the videos were "misleadingly edited".... well, you can watch them for yourself...unless they cut word by word, and made the acorn employees say sentences that they didnt actually say, it is INDISPUTABLE that at least these employees, (at 5 different acorn headquarters all across the country), did some pretty bad shit, and were advising a pimp on how to get tax credits, by lying.

Now, if you try to find any info about this today- all you find is fox news articles, and some right wing blogs and stuff .... no NYtimes investigations of ACORN, no mainstream media investigation... just a bunch of cover ups and ignorings by the left wing msm.

Ok, so everyone gets that, its what they always do.

But if you watch the acorn videos even more, you see the "community organizers" advising the "pimp" to launder money for his "political campaign", and they talk about fake voter registration, and all the rest of it.

But then, this election season, when republicans wanted to have voter id laws at the polls- ostensibly to prevent voter fraud....which we have good reason to suspect happens- just look at acorn, one of their main missions was "voter registration" - so the same people who advised the pimp to claim underage prostitutes as "dependants", are the ones who "registered voters in inner cities"... ok, at the very least, doesnt that raise suspicion to a reasonable person??? Wouldnt it raise suspicion to a JOURNALIST- whose job uncovering this kind of stuff was.

But if you watched MSNBC or the other liberal networks pre election, all you heard was Al sharpton saying "oh there is no voter fraud, its just a bunch of racist republicans"....and this line was just repeated over and over and over by maddow, matthews, odonnel, and the rest of those freaks on msnbc.

My question is just that, I understand that people have a tendancy to cover up for their own side.... I do, so does everyone. But JOURNALISTS SHOULDNT DO THAT- they should go after every angle and every story....at the very least, they shouldnt do what msnbc has done and create entire narratives to distract and confuse people. Instead of investigating if there really was voter fraud, and in light of ACORN and other groups like it- that were caught red handed doing these "illegal advice and tactics" shit.... instead of fact checking, they went out of their way to destroy any possibility of looking into the truth- they created their meme - that republicans are just racist, and they kept repeating it over and over and over...and never even looked to the substance of the allegations- and such glarring evidence as things like those acorn videos.

If you ask me, those acorn videos were the tip of the iceberg. Lots of people know that there are large segments of the population who "Game the system" it not only minorities, im not being racist, but there are lots of people who game the system, white, black, and every other color. And instead of really delving into this issue, and hopefully finding out more, people like Maddow called it a "false, fake video"...when you can clearly see for yourself that it just isnt false or fake at all...

Basically rachel maddow is no better than Joseph Goebbels - she has a "dog" in this fight, and she will bend and break and disregard the truth, to confuse stupid uncritical people into believing falsehoods.. To me, that should be a crime, in a free society like ours. She can't say she is ignorant or stupid, she knows full well what she and people like her are doing.

I just wonder if they realize (and anybody on the right who would do this too) realize that if the truth is constantly massaged and falsified to further your political position, that eventually, this will cause terrible repercussions in the entire system. our system is based on people acting in their own self interest, but if you bulshit people endlessly, to the point that they just dismiss one allegation after another, in 2009 , its no big deal, in 2012, its just racists who are daring to make these accusations, in 2015, something really bad might happen, and they will still just go back to the old standby of calling it all lies.

It just pisses me off how we dont even get the truth anymore because the mainstream and liberal media is so hell bent and beholden to creating a false narrative (even if some of it is true, they just buldoze over anything that might contradict it). I can either watch NBC or CBS or MSNBC and hear lies, or I can read al arabiya or RT and read anti-american biased shit... but if i want true, investigative reporting, with a pro american spin, but also not afraid to investigate ALL things to the TRUTH, not brush under the rug anything that the left side does to create some false impression that they never have any problems of their own. .... there is basically nowhere to go to get unbiased and true information these days, and i think thats a shame, and it does our country a disservice.

Anybody have anything to say about any part of that? Just try to read up on Acorn for a few minutes and see what you find....after a few weeks in 2009, news sites just stopped talking about it- except for fox....and then when some on the right brought up parts of it later on, they were adressed by the MSM in the context of "well such claims are dubious anyway because of the edited false acorn tapes".... How can you watch Maddow, (if you do anyway which is doubtful ) and not be disgusted....she acts all intelligent and that shes so intellectual and everything, and then she just ignores anything, literaly going out of her way to gloss over and hide it, when those things may conflict with her narrative of the way she wishes things were.

its like my sig- real world competence is no match for a slogan, or in this case, for a propaganda machine that pretty much controls what americans believe and think.
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whoa, sorry that was so long, hopefully someone can read at least some of it and let me know what you think
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another good example that comes to mind is the census worker that was killed in some southern state, i cant remember where. even people like waves rushed on here to claim it must have been racist republicans, that was the headline in all the liberal news for days...until we found out that the guy committed suicide... then it was, no retraction, no righting the facts, just, more on to the next trash-right wingers meme.

Ill think of like 10 more and post them , I cant even remember each and every time right now, but Ill be some of you can think of other instances just like this.
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and with all that lying and divinding, is it any wonder that latinos and blacks dont support republicans? to hear a republican tell it, they want to increase prosperity and take home pay for every american, especially the less fortunate like minorities etc....

to hear the dems tell it (which means by extension all you ever read in 90% of the newspapers and 90% of the cable news) they just want to steal from the working poor to reduce taxes for daddy warbucks...

like, the only reason that our country wont adopt better policies to help all those people now, is because the media lied and tricked people into believing something about republicans that is not borne out by any evidence, and sometimes, in the face of glarring counter evidence, they just lie and make up stories to totally confuse people. Our democracy only works, if people can be free to believe whats true based on evidence. But when you have the entire apparatus of the media invested in selling a lie.... then you get politicians elected who wont fix the problems we have.... by shirking their responsibility, the liberal media has destroyed or at least severely damaged the underpinnings of our democracy.
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the funny thing is that you dont seem to be confused into thinking that fox is unbiased.... but yet, millions and millions of people read the new york times and watch cbs and assume that those things ARENT biased.

you are clearly a higher information person that the people who drink down the liberal media kool aid.

and, there is 1 fox, vs 25 liberal networks.
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I submit to you that if it werent for the lies of the MSM, far more latinos and blacks would think that the republicans have many positions which would be helpful to them, and that republicans support them and want to see them succeed.

But there really is no way to change the perception, because anything the republicans do will be twisted and manipulated by the supposedly "neutral" media.

So they are basically working through deception to create a one party system. I think that anybody should find this frightening and anti democratic.

How should the GOP appeal to minorities? Anything they do will be mischaracterised. And then reinforced by other liberal outlets, and then after 10 days of it, the bs is all the low information voter will remember, and the story becomes the truth.
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Funny how J would never point to links to how even Fox News basically called out Karl Rove lying on national TV.

I, as a left leaning person, have to commend FN for doing that.


PS. You do know Fox news is part of the Mainstream Media, right?
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the funny thing is that you dont seem to be confused into thinking that fox is unbiased.... but yet, millions and millions of people read the new york times and watch cbs and assume that those things ARENT biased.

you are clearly a higher information person that the people who drink down the liberal media kool aid.

and, there is 1 fox, vs 25 liberal networks.

Most semi-competent people know that these stations aren't in the "let's tell the unbiased truth" game but are rather in the "let's blow shit out of proportion, to make a big fuss for ratings" game...

Political affiliation has little to nothing to do with it, it is just the brand they are pandering...

If you are right about one thing, it is that interest is more in getting people aligned to hate one another and to create a schism of indifference and fear...

However it all needs to stop, it isn't a strictly liberal or repub thing, it is a propaganda for the cause game that is robbing the american public of having honest discourse based on reality, rational thought, and unbiased unfiltered facts... Transparency on major media outlets is dead...
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To add, once again this thread like so many before it, seems more like a veiled attempt to trash on "the other side" and comes years too late...Rather than a thread actually looking for a discussion, featuring reasonable talking points based on what "we" all can do to better the situation, the finger pointing instead of the hand outreached....

This kind of thing is what people have been talking about since fucking 2001 after all the pro-america propaganda started to really churn out of control...

It seems so forced and less than genuine when at the same time as you are saying that media lies, you go on to say how if more minorities tuned out it would have helped the gop candidate, as if you are trying to absolve one party of wrong doing and "if those damn minorities learned themselves" than Romney would have been able to save the US and with it the World....
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C'mon J Rachel Maddow is no Goebbels lol. She's some media talking head not propaganda minister for the Fourth Reich.

As for people "gaming the system" Of course some people will take advantage of government benefits, leftist ideas, socialist ideals (gasp!) can be taken advantage of, as Microsoft has taken advantage of monopoly loopholes in our "capitalistic society" or how the publisher of Der Sturmer gamed Hitler into making his paper widely circulated and made himself rich under Fascism.

I went on a stoned rant there but I think the point is you hate Socialism, I think it's a step in the right direction. If getting government assistance turns you into an unproductive leech why are there so many desperate people begging for jobs?
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I guess I had like 3 or 4 different points that all came out together like a big explosion of goey ideas .... or something .

but yea, i guess the bottom line to me is that i still think there was more to the acorn story and yet because of the way the media is (in the tank for dems), they literally dont even follow up on things that interest me- im not gonna unravel it myself- thats the medias job for shit sake.

same with the voter fraud stuff... i want to know the truth, not have something repeated over and over like "ok if you disagree you are racist . period. "

here are 2 more examples i thought of:"

trayvon martin- ok do we need reminding? this was point blank evidence of vile and venomous racism by the florida police, the people of the city, and every republican this side of the mason dixon line....for days and days wall to wall...until of course we saw that the other dude had big marks and gouges on his head and then, just as quick as it had come, it was not "oh sorry we rushed to blame racism once again for our political purposes" but just....whistle and walk away... and these are the people who ACT like they are so "smart" "hip" and "uber cool" the chris hayses and rachel maddows and minka brezinskis, and george soroses... these totally out of touch hypocritcal liberals who make millions and only represent "the poor" out of some idealistic out of touch from their ivory towers game.... they have no idea what they are arguing for most of the time, but yet contine to do it anyway. and when trayvon martin came about, it was one more chance to pound home the narrative, without any concern for what "actually happened". then when the more nuanced truth came out- instead of educating people with equal vigor, they just shuffled quietly away, knowing full well, sophisticated intelligent devious people that they are, that by ignoring it from here on out it was almost as good as if it had gone their way anyway because they whole bs story had already played out so the slander would be all that people would remember...

another one - Susan Rice. Instead of being criticized for LYING OR AT LEAST TELLING THINGS THAT WERE CLEARLY NOT TRUE. to multiple news programs, we are told that it is a racist venomous attack on yet another black woman...this time its not just the racist old party, its the sexist old party as well.... ok dont even get me started about all the lies and bulshit that underpin the mainstream medias false narrative of a republican war on women.... but susan rice... ok, there are legitimate reasons to criticize her- everyone can agree there, to prevent her nomination? perhaps, but AT LEAST to criticise her- instead Obama crusades to the front and steps into the role the liberal mainstream media wrote for him by "Saving susan rice, the poor downtrodden lady".... HEY GUYS , DONT MESS WITH HEr, MESS WITH ME! "ohhhh," chris matthews crows- "he is the protector, how amazing, i have a tingle up my leg just thinking about super obama protecting the weak and defenseless" - you know, like colin powell at the un.
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all media is biased. reporters almost have to be biased these days to make their bosses happy. there is also the old idea that whatever it takes to get readers, do it, even if you are fluffing the shit out of something. the trick is sorting through the bullshit to see the real story.

Personally I get my news from reddit, and care less and less about politics everyday.

oh, and John. In 2009, Bush wasn't president. Obama was. Just pointing that out, though Im sure you meant 08 or 07. or maybe I just read it wrong.
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Dismissing worldviews that don't match your own?

Is that like when you sent me a PM, JFK, saying my argument in support of Obamacare didn't address your concerns, when in fact I was not arguing in support of Obamacare by any means?

Shall I share with the rest of the board to demonstrate to the community what a hypocrite really looks like?
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If liberals suck so much, how come they are kicking the GOPs ass so much?

FOX news gets more viewers than all other cable networks combined, you arent allowed to whine about being an oppressed minority as a republican anymore. Sorry your party sucks and is filled with hypocrites, extremist nutjobs, and child molesters. Maybe the reason your party is in the dumps is because of these people. Maybe your party should focus on improving itself and not pointing fingers hoping that it gets votes.
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j-wonder, our "liberal" media does agree with you on a couple things. Blind loyalty to israel and the troops. Now go fuck yourself.
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Dismissing worldviews that don't match your own?

Is that like when you sent me a PM, JFK, saying my argument in support of Obamacare didn't address your concerns, when in fact I was not arguing in support of Obamacare by any means?

Shall I share with the rest of the board to demonstrate to the community what a hypocrite really looks like?
share it with them man, here in fact i will. sheesh, i dont even fucking know you, who the hell are you ? you keep comming into my threads expecting me to adress you like some king and then getting offended when i dont , i dont know who u are and i literally dont ever recall having a conversation with you, so yeah, thats why i didnt treat your opinion in the huge obamacare thread as gospel..i was trying to be nice and explain that to you but you act like you "caught me" or something. lol.

I would respond to your substantive analysis of the topic in THIS thread, but I didnt see any. so
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If liberals suck so much, how come they are kicking the GOPs ass so much?

FOX news gets more viewers than all other cable networks combined, you arent allowed to whine about being an oppressed minority as a republican anymore. Sorry your party sucks and is filled with hypocrites, extremist nutjobs, and child molesters. Maybe the reason your party is in the dumps is because of these people. Maybe your party should focus on improving itself and not pointing fingers hoping that it gets votes.
good points,

im willing to turn the mirror back on myself and the republican party.... i only wish the dems would too. check this out. in the run up to the election, fox had like 10% negative stories about romney, msnbc had not 1 single negative story about obama, and every single story they did about romney was negative.... they make "fair and balanced" fox look even more fair and balanced by comparison. at least fox SOMETIMES criticizes republicns

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/m...omney-stories/

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