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Old 07-07-2013, 12:48 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Further plot thickening

Seems that Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia are offering Snowden asylum.

These offers may have been influenced by the denial of airspace to Bolivia's president's jet by France and Spain.
It is unconfirmed as to the reasons for these denials except that Spain has stated they were informed Snowden was aboard the flight. France has subsequently apologised to Bolivia but Bolivia has stated that an apology is inadequate given the unjustified and unlawful detention of their presidential plane.
European states were told Snowden was on Morales plane, says Spain | World news | guardian.co.uk

It can only be assumed that the US was the source of the information and that South Americans are coming to the conclusion that they are sick of being the US's bitch- and that they have no sympathy with Europe acting like the US's bitch.

-NSA is revealed to have harvested huge quantity of data from Brazil.

Brazil Target Of U.S. Spying, Globo Newspaper Reports

-"America's National Security Agency works closely with Germany and other Western states on a no questions asked basis", former NSA employee Edward Snowden said in comments that undermine Chancellor Angela Merkel's indignant talk of "Cold War" tactics

Edward Snowden tells Der Spiegel NSA is 'in bed with the Germans' | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:50 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I feel like we're too in bed with the middle east for that to be USA's biggest downfall. It's our history of terrorism in South America that's gonna hurt in the long run.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:02 PM   #43 (permalink)
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i straight up get a boner every time i read about South America going against the desires of the US.


I hope this inspires more countries to tell the US administration to fuck off with its bullshit.

we Need that external pressure, along with the ever increasing internal pressure, for change to happen.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Go Snowden Go.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:41 PM   #45 (permalink)
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this guy is indeed pretty damn cool...


Is he still being held/free to leave in moscow's airport? They are gonna let him chill there till he finds a country, or not?
So the russians arent letting him in, but still saying fuck you to America by letting him chill in the airport lol.
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:37 PM   #46 (permalink)
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The sooner he gets out of Moscow the better. putin is a douchebag too. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw obomba.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:26 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone's communications at any time. That is the power to change people's fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president's plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela's President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.
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Hard to argue against that. Of course our government will play the terrorism card again. Must keep us safe.
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He committed treason guys, c'mon. National Security guys, national security. Do you want to be un-secure?! Didn't think so.
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Looks like Ed. Snowden is having trouble arranging a flight. Kicking it in Moscow for the time being.
Fugitive Snowden to seek temporary asylum in Russia | Reuters

I wonder if he's having second thoughts about that sexy spy lady's offer lol. Seriously though I hope he gets on a plane to S. America yesterday.
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Obama and GOP can co operate on a few things-

Like bankrolling the NSA and pretty much anything to do with infringement of liberties and warmongering.

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying l Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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I hate to use the "C" word but bachman is a cunt. And 111 democrats did vote for the Amash amendment in the house so maybe some of them are waking up.
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Hard to argue against that. Of course our government will play the terrorism card again. Must keep us safe.
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