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Old 06-09-2013, 02:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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PRISM

Big Brother is watching and he has Boundless Information.

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Reports based on leaked documents describe the PRISM program as enabling in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. It provides for the targeting of any customers of participating corporations who live outside the United States, or American citizens whose communications include people outside the United States. Data which the NSA is able to obtain under PRISM allegedly includes email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice over IP conversations, file transfers, login notifications and social networking details.
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Boundless Informant is a big data or data mining computer system and electronic surveillance program, classified as top secret, run by the United States National Security Agency (NSA). According to documents about the program, almost 3 billion data elements from inside the United States were analyzed or captured in the Boundless Informant system over a 30-day period ending in March 2013.

Related to PRISM, a government codename for a collection effort known officially as US-984XN, the Boundless Informant computer system is used to analyze electronic information captured globally by the NSA
Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data | World news | guardian.co.uk
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The disclosure of the internal Boundless Informant system comes amid a struggle between the NSA and its overseers in the Senate over whether it can track the intelligence it collects on American communications. The NSA's position is that it is not technologically feasible to do so.

At a hearing of the Senate intelligence committee In March this year, Democratic senator Ron Wyden asked James Clapper, the director of national intelligence: "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

"No sir," replied Clapper.

Judith Emmel, an NSA spokeswoman, told the Guardian in a response to the latest disclosures: "NSA has consistently reported – including to Congress – that we do not have the ability to determine with certainty the identity or location of all communicants within a given communication. That remains the case."

Other documents seen by the Guardian further demonstrate that the NSA does in fact break down its surveillance intercepts which could allow the agency to determine how many of them are from the US. The level of detail includes individual IP addresses.
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Is Prism Really a Scandal? - The Daily Beast

good article by dershowitz on this
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Is Prism Really a Scandal? - The Daily Beast

good article by dershowitz on this
I read the article until the douchebag started ripping on Glen Greenwald. He obviously doesn't actually read Greenwald if he calls him an apologist for "terrorists".
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All these people get jumbled up in my head, i dont ever remember which side greenwald is shilling for anymore
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Greenwald doesn't shill for any side. He's as disgusted with obomba as he was with bush. He's not Olberman.
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wow, this guy is amazing.

if he is really being truthful in this interview then this guy is like the greatest patriot of our generation

NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' - YouTube
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im so conditioned by propeganda and bullshit by this point that i really dont even care. do what you gotta do, us government, just let me get to work and get my shit done and get home to my hungry family for gods sake.

-general u.s.a public who is rightly outraged by this but typically not outraged enough to actually do anything about it
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^ thats why this edward snowden dude is my new hero.

he is basically like george washington- he gave up his life and cushy career to do something important for the us public, in this case, expose the truth about the Orwellian police state being set up by the feds in cooperation with all the major telecom companies... he is obviously fucked now, but listen to his interview and it really seems like he was motivated purely by a desire to expose what he honestly thought was a gross miscarriage of justice.

have you guys been following the news about him? he was the nsa leak. check out the interview i linked to- once you watch it i think you will be amazed too.
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The most transparent administration in history...
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Apparently Snowden is on the run. He has checked out of his hotel and his whereabouts are now unknown.
Russia is said to be considering offering him political asylum.
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there is a fine line between patriot and traitor.

I will reserve judgment on this guy, because i suppose he could have gone thru the established whistleblowing channels..

but you know... sometimes the system is so sick from the top down that there IS not way to change the system from within.

I don't want to condone people hurting our country, and i also dont want russia to give comfort and aid to traitors...

But, at some point a wrong system needs to be exposed, and this guy did it in about the least offensive and most careful way i have ever seen-

There really is no substitute for a brave, courageous human being acting not out of his own self interest but as his interest as a human being, one of the human family.

I can't say for sure whether this is right or wrong, but it is amazing.
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Russia offering asylum to dissidents- just like old times.
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just the other day we heard about how the army brass guy who was in charge of the anti violence against women's unit was convicted of raping new women recruits-

Mccain told a hearing that he was asked if he could recommend that a man send his daughter to join the army, and mccain said " i had to tell him no".

so... what should they do? go report it to the higher up who is also abusing women?

...."oh yes nsa guardian person- i think we are looking at too much informayzors.... ok dude we'll get right on that".
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NSA surveillance: The US is behaving like China | Ai Weiwei | Comment is free | The Guardian

ai weiwei - "The US is behaving like China"

The coolest thing about this new revolution is that its like People vs the governments...

here we are , on a message board that has people from all around the world reading it- and so it is across the web - and we are all joining in talking about how we are furious about the Us government's actions here- and then people like ai weiwei can join in and add to the discussion - Its actually a really positive revolution in society - the people will control the world, the governments are just trying to DESPERATELY and hopelessly hold onto the past.... unless the shut off the internet, there is no way to stop it.

Think of a world where the most important thing a country does is not what its government does, but the opinions its people express to the world, through the unfiltered internet - its the same way the arab spring took off-

this is global democracy , in its proto stages. it also means reason over national interests...which might suck for those currently in the upper tiers....
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The most transparent administration in history...

elaborate?

idk if you are being sarcastic or not, cause it can go either way really.


while the current US government is very transparent compared to past governments and other nations, this is certainly not by choice and mainly just due to increase in technology available to the common people which the government cannot keep up with.

However the US government is still one of the most secretive administrations ever to exist.


The administration should get ZERO of that credit, of being comparatively transparent.
We the people deserve it all.

it isnt that the administration is the most transparent in history, but today's people are the most investigative in history.
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idk if you are being sarcastic or not, cause it can go either way really.
He is being sarcastic.
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Obama himself used those exact words to describe his administration.
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This morning we sent the following letter to the offices of the Attorney General and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Read the full text below. -Ed.

Dear Attorney General Holder and Director Mueller

Google has worked tremendously hard over the past fifteen years to earn our users’ trust. For example, we offer encryption across our services; we have hired some of the best security engineers in the world; and we have consistently pushed back on overly broad government requests for our users’ data.

We have always made clear that we comply with valid legal requests. And last week, the Director of National Intelligence acknowledged that service providers have received Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests.

Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.

We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our Transparency Report aggregate numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the claims being made. Google has nothing to hide.

Google appreciates that you authorized the recent disclosure of general numbers for national security letters. There have been no adverse consequences arising from their publication, and in fact more companies are receiving your approval to do so as a result of Google’s initiative. Transparency here will likewise serve the public interest without harming national security.

We will be making this letter public and await your response.

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