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Old 07-25-2013, 01:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

proof positive we do not live in a Democracy.
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Yes we do. It is called the supremacy clause of the constitution. It says federal law always trumps state law. It is what makes a country a country and not just some loose collection of states. It is ok. Just go huff some paint or sniff glue, your basic objective will be achieved. To damage your brain for. Few hours while you walk around in a stupor.

In other news, this is day 17 not smoking except one time a few days ago when picked up a gram. I have a least about sixty bucks, completely disposable, and hadn't gone to the hood. So I really feel,super excited this time will stick. The meditation thing had a big effect on me. I feel it may have removed the desire to get high, but only time will tell.
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What is Obama doing about this? He said no more raids years ago. Ugh pissed me off.

Feds don't belong in our states.
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Another broken promise by President obomba. No relation to candidate Obama.
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A Case of Incremental Retardation...

Feds only bust Commerce that is not legal in any state. Or can Obama tweak federal law to please a few states. Thankyou very much. Obama said in clintoneze that he would not waste funds busting individuals or patients in states with laws. He has no jurisdiction unless the individuals sell it or exchange it. He hasn't busted individual patients but states do and have busted most of the 800,000 a year. Especially the other states with cop written initiatives that include limits the feds don't have any authority over. States busting patients for growing more than the limits or busted for selling it. That is the options until the bogus CSA is over turned. Appeasing prisons and profiteers at the expense of taking away what we already have. Politicians aren't in it for we the people. Wall St wages the Ganjawar for profits and keeping competition prohibited. How hard is that to comprehend?

N.H. Becomes 19th State to Legalize MMJ

“Allowing doctors to provide relief to patients through the use of appropriately regulated and dispensed medical marijuana is the compassionate and right policy for the state of New Hampshire, and this legislation ensures that we approach this policy in the right way with measures to prevent abuse,”

Sounds OK except states can't sell it as a controlled substance. SOS

Hassan, a Democrat who took office this year, indicated she would support a medical marijuana program – so long as it controlled the legal supply of marijuana by requiring patients to buy it from dispensaries instead of allowing them to grow it themselves.

The law allows patients with cancer and other conditions to possess up to 2 ounces of marijuana obtained from nonprofit dispensaries.

How in the hell do you grow 2 ounces or less? Never-mind its illegal to grow it under this cop initiative to save the poor underprivileged prison industrial complex.

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What happens when cops write initiatives.

Commerce is NOT included in Prop 215

CSA deems reasonable amounts as state jurisdiction.
10h amendment. NO sales or charity give away or exchanges.
This is the clintonspeak Obama used when he said he would not waste funds busting individuals and patients. He hasn't. States busted most of the 800,000 individuals and patients a year.

Raich v Gonzales, the Supreme Court decided anything over 100 plants with or without intent to sell is Commerce. Treasury Dept. IRS. Busting dispensaries mainly who have not paid taxes. No matter how righteous a dispensary is. Reason common sense and decency have nothing to do with the shuck and jive prohibition. How hard is that to understand? Local politicians appeasing their constituents with more shuck and jive. Oh there's a surprise...

Only CA has provisions for individuals without limits or reasons to use. Every other state initiative written by politicians and cops do. Forcing a catch 22 political game with the Feds. Can't buy it and limits prohibit growing since a plant yields more than an ounce.

Follow CA or Bust’

Profiteers are willing to toss out the baby with the bath water. For temporary profits at the expense of what we already have to provide for ourselves. A burden for some republicans without connections and seniors without caregivers or in corporate housing trying to forbid it on the same shuck and jive prohibitionists use. This is degrading to hear so many cheer on any morsel when the law is what is in need of over turning. Not more incremental retardation. The CSA is a lie to include cannabis. The only legal means is to remove it and then sell it as Commerce or raw vegetables. But times a wasting and the Feds are already set up to distribute through Big Pharma, keeping Hemp a controlled substance out of Wall St competition. The refs are here. None of the excerpts debate it or bring it up.

Dennis Peron — A guiding force behind California’s medical marijuana law who says he was fired by Prop. 19 co-author Richard Lee’s Oaksterdam University because of his opposition to the measure, Peron, of San Francisco, feels the measure is too tough on marijuana. Limiting people to an ounce or 25 square feet of growing space is like limiting wine collectors to one bottle; taxation would be disproportionate and unfair; and prison terms for teens who toke or parents who smoke in front of their kids are excessive, he says.


Do we really want to grant a politician president power to disregard the Constitution more than we think he has already without our blessings. To ask him to change Federal law for a few states is as silly as the rednecks asking Johnson for a few states having Jim Crow and segregation. He can't tweak it just because it would be better for we the people. Lies run the Ganjawar, for Wall St profits and profits perpetuating the wars. Big Ag/Pharma, the Military and Prison Industrial Complexes control the conversation and those continuing to toss these carrots at vulnerable people every few months are cruel, stop it! Over turn the CSA as the MTA was. Or don't let cops write your catch 22's on tax dollars to boot.

No politikan or cop can change the Compassionate Use Act. Not by adding limits or "regulations" to appease the prison industrial complex. Only zoning laws for locations of Buyers Clubs that are NOT mentioned or recognized under Prop 215, so they have no protections. No sales are recognized by the Feds due to the Raich v Gonzales decision. No state can trump Federal laws, No Feds can interfere with state laws. Why is this so complicated?

Profiteers providing a common sense Dispensary for patients should not be a problem. The reason it is has nothing to due with the dangers of pot. Its the profits Wall St is risking and the profits perpetuated waging the war. Including mandatory minimum sentences for long term investments. Enough. If this country has any integrity they will remove cannabis as a CSA listing. The fact they choose the sneaky route around individuals rights is proof they have no desire to help citizens or concern over their well being. The Feds have patents on cannabinoids and grow it to supply GW Pharmaceuticals for their sublingual spray. Keeping it with Big Pharma and keeping Hemp as a controlled substance. Why would he piss off Walmartians just so a few states can try another Great and Noble Experiment. Until the CSA is dissolved or amended without cannabis I'll toke my legal joints I've grown

The drug war is waged by Wall St. Obama can't change the CSA unless he changes it for all 50 states. No more than he can tax the rich or stop off shore shelters bypassing Congress. Congress declared this war and Wall St profits and keeps competition off the markets with it. This continuous incremental retardation has no authority to stop the CSA. Only individuals without intent to sell it in possession of a reasonable amount are legal... in states with laws on the books. And under the guidelines of those laws. No selling as of the Supreme Court Raich v Gonzales decision.

Federal law is the jurisdiction of federal authority and state laws covering individuals are state authority as of the 10th amendment. States with cop initiatives adding limits are forcing a catch 22 on citizens that can not grow limited amounts and can not buy it under federal prohibition. Only CA has no limits or reasons for using. So its another plea to change the entire Constitution when all that is needed is truth and science to prove cannabis, especially Hemp. Is not qualified to be a schedule#1 narcotic. It isn't and Nixon lied to Congress to fast track the CSA after the Marijuana Tax Act was deemed UnConstitutional in Leary v US. It is still UnConstitutional and for Nixon to simply disregard the decision and change the title is UnAmerican as trying to legitimize selling it when the feds and Wall St are so dependent on its profits. Change the CSA and stop traumatizing patients hearing hopes for the future made out of wishful thinking and profiteers tweaking.

What was the Law during the 526 day interim?
That’s all the Ganja policy required… Nothing


Leary v. United States – 395 U.S. 6 (decided May 19, 1969)
Marihuana Tax Act proven UnConstitutional

May 19, 1969 is the 139th day of the year 1969 in the Gregorian calendar. There are 226 days remaining until the end of this year.

October 27, 1970 is the 300th day of the year 1970 in the Gregorian calendar.

Controlled Substances Act in effect on October 27, 1970

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Their “plan” is clear for all to see. Those in it for the money don’t want to see. Letting the Mississippi Schwag Farm grow for Sativex, and the patents the DEA has will keep it with Big Pharma while the Dispensaries will continue to provide cage profits for Koch’s private prisons. Most importantly to the status weirdo Wall St whores is that with this arrangement Hemp will stay a schedule#1 controlled substance and out of the competition.

Is The DEA Legalizing THC?
So, in other words, if a pharmaceutical product contains THC extracted from the marijuana plant, that would be a legal commodity. But if you or I possessed THC extracted from the marijuana plant, that would remain an illegal commodity.

Wait, it gets even more absurd.

Since the cannabis plant itself will remain illegal under federal law, then from whom precisely could Big Pharma legally obtain their soon-to-be legal THC extracts? There’s only one answer: The federal government’s lone legally licensed marijuana cultivator, The University of Mississippi at Oxford, which already has the licensing agreements with the pharmaceutical industry in hand.

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Bush Barthwell & Drugs

US Government Patents Medical Pot

The Feds IND program has already established what a reasonable amount would be for individuals to grow for themselves, without selling it or giving it away or any exchange. That was determined to be Commerce, under the Treasury Dept. and IRS, those actually busting the buyers clubs, per the SCotUS Raich v Gonzales decision. State initiatives written by cops and politikans add limits and nullify individuals that the feds have no jurisdiction over. As stated, most of the 800,000 busts are by states. For having more than the state limit allows. Catch 22 since any amount sold is illegal under the CSA and no one can physically grow a plant to produce an ounce or less. Don[t let cops write initiatives!

I’ve put this out a couple years ago and can’t get any of the excerpts to agree or disagree. Nathan or Paul never answer, some delete it and most hem and haw but really never address it. Or maybe hope its not true and continue with this Incremental-retardation with limits for the profiteers to quasi legally sell pot, temporarily. In the end I predict WA and CO will find the same IRS busting down their door as in CA. That was written on Wednesday. I didn't think it would be this quick but I'm not overly surpirsed either. Or that the same whiners keep blaming Obama when its the corporations selling the war. Its the money not the Ganja. Many of the Dispensaries are financed by people who don't even toke. Nothing wrong with that unless it removes the rights we already have. With appeasing the drug worriers to the point of ridiculousness.

Recreational-Marijuana Merchants Rattled by Raids

Strange how it seems its only the Dispensaries not paying taxes because they can’t get standard business deductions. Not sure if that will continue. Seems until the CSA is overturned as was the Marihuana Tax Act. Then the Feds can bust whomever they please for amounts considered more than an individual would use or by actually selling it. Thats my story and I’m sticking to it. All legal in SCruz, as far as I’m concerned.

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Cannabis Yields and Dosage (Part 1)
This 6-inch diameter canister held 254.89 grams of federal medical marijuana for an IND patient, a typical monthly supply mailed from the federal cannabis research garden in Mississippi.

Note. Compassionate Use Act not the MMJ Act
And it stands individuals are protected by the 10th amendment for personal use, not sales or exchanges. If the profiteers pass an initiative like WA or CO, and it nullifies Prop 215 then we will be in the same boat. Not legal and a whack a mole scenario busting clubs at their leisure. As it stands Prop 215 is the law of the land and NO politician or cop can tweak it to appease the prisons. As much as they have tried and gotten away with. Don’t throw away what we have so a few can get rich selling it.

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So much rambling and babbling just over a stupid drug. Sad.
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Yes we do. It is called the supremacy clause of the constitution. It says federal law always trumps state law. It is what makes a country a country and not just some loose collection of states. It is ok. Just go huff some paint or sniff glue, your basic objective will be achieved. To damage your brain for. Few hours while you walk around in a stupor.

In other news, this is day 17 not smoking except one time a few days ago when picked up a gram. I have a least about sixty bucks, completely disposable, and hadn't gone to the hood. So I really feel,super excited this time will stick. The meditation thing had a big effect on me. I feel it may have removed the desire to get high, but only time will tell.
Start smoking again. You can't be as big of an asshole when you're stoned. Not possible.
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What is honestly in it for the Federal Government to continue to do this jack-booted shit? I know all the conspiracy theories and they could very well be true, but surely if public opinion continues to sway why does the government continue to balance against the scale?
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does Dcd write all that or is he just copy/pasting?
Does it matter? Personally, I scan thru his posts and pick out something that catches my eye and disregard the rest. I've learned a ton of shit from the dude's posts and respect the hell out of him(and Patriot)for their diligence to the cause.
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What is honestly in it for the Federal Government to continue to do this jack-booted shit? I know all the conspiracy theories and they could very well be true, but surely if public opinion continues to sway why does the government continue to balance against the scale?

The Feds hold money over the heads of the States, you want these funds, you'll do this or we cut you off. Federal politicians get plenty of money from the PIC for their 'campaigns' so they keep the ball rolling no matter what the rest of the people want.


Why the medical marijuana industry doesn't just go out and buy a couple congressmen is beyond me, it seems to be how things are done in this joke of a government.

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The question that begs for an answer is why were THOSE dispensaries targeted in the raid?

By the way, I find it hilarious in a dark humor sort of way that Patriot says, 'proof positive we do not live in a Democracy.'

For someone who rallies for the people, you're ill-informed about some very basic principles of civics, my friend. You're right-we don't live in a democracy and thank what ever higher power you believe in that we don't.

A democracy is nearly mob rule in that the majority wins and the minority loses. A republic establishes the sovereignty in each individual person and their unalienable rights that can't be out voted as they would be if we lived in a democracy.

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The question that begs for an answer is why were THOSE dispensaries targeted in the raid?

By the way, I find it hilarious in a dark humor sort of way that Patriot says, 'proof positive we do not live in a Democracy.'

For someone who rallies for the people, you're ill-informed about some very basic principles of civics, my friend. You're right-we don't live in a democracy and thank what ever higher power you believe in that we don't.

A democracy is nearly mob rule in that the majority wins and the minority loses. A republic establishes the sovereignty in each individual person and their unalienable rights that can't be out voted as they would be if we lived in a democracy.

For a more thorough explanation use da googles and search Republic vs Democracy.
For someone who rallies for the people, you're ill-informed about some very basic reality of civics, my friend. This is pure unadulterated Fascism when it concerns Ganja or Hemp. Circumventing the Constitution in the name of protecting the kiddies. Not a republic and not a democracy in theory the majority are supposed to be a consensus of the people not a small minority of rich with their thugs ruling by intimidation as most see rebublics. But neither are in play here. It is keeping out competition via prohibition and putting those tax dollars in the pockets of the Ganjawar perpetuators. Reason, common sense and truth were the first casualties.

Where are all of the Taxbaggers and Norquest?

Ganjawar keeps these products out of the competition forcing importation and higher prices by banning American farmers from growing.

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For someone who rallies for the people, you're ill-informed about some very basic reality of civics, my friend. This is pure unadulterated Fascism when it concerns Ganja or Hemp. Circumventing the Constitution in the name of protecting the kiddies. Not a republic and not a democracy in theory the majority are supposed to be a consensus of the people not a small minority of rich with their thugs ruling by intimidation as most see rebublics. But neither are in play here. It is keeping out competition via prohibition and putting those tax dollars in the pockets of the Ganjawar perpetuators. Reason, common sense and truth were the first casualties.

Where are all of the Taxbaggers and Norquest?

Ganjawar keeps these products out of the competition forcing importation and higher prices by banning American farmers from growing.

There's a war on marijuana? Really?

The point of my post was that democracy in the way that patriot referred to it was incorrect.
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Yes we do. It is called the supremacy clause of the constitution. It says federal law always trumps state law. It is what makes a country a country and not just some loose collection of states. It is ok. Just go huff some paint or sniff glue, your basic objective will be achieved. To damage your brain for. Few hours while you walk around in a stupor.

In other news, this is day 17 not smoking except one time a few days ago when picked up a gram. I have a least about sixty bucks, completely disposable, and hadn't gone to the hood. So I really feel,super excited this time will stick. The meditation thing had a big effect on me. I feel it may have removed the desire to get high, but only time will tell.

And you don't think the Feds's policies on the issue is an abuse of the commerce clause and unconstitutional in accordance with the 10th amendment?
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The question that begs for an answer is why were THOSE dispensaries targeted in the raid?

By the way, I find it hilarious in a dark humor sort of way that Patriot says, 'proof positive we do not live in a Democracy.'

For someone who rallies for the people, you're ill-informed about some very basic principles of civics, my friend. You're right-we don't live in a democracy and thank what ever higher power you believe in that we don't.

A democracy is nearly mob rule in that the majority wins and the minority loses. A republic establishes the sovereignty in each individual person and their unalienable rights that can't be out voted as they would be if we lived in a democracy.

For a more thorough explanation use da googles and search Republic vs Democracy.
But he was talking about something that was voted in by the people.
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Okay, look-I made a fuckin' joke about the context in which he used a particular word.

Does everybody get it now? Because I can tell you sure as fuck didn't actually read what I suggested so you'd understand what I meant.

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While you're technically correct (the United States is a federal republic, not a democracy) you didn't have to be so jerkish about it brah, just sayin'.
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Hmmm...I believe this is the third time in as many weeks that you've misunderstood what I was implying, Terry. And I'd like to also point out that not all of us share the same sense of humor, sarcasm, or appreciation of satire.

I specifically said 'hilarious in a dark humor sort of way' and even said 'my friend' after I shared my observation. Had I used 'dumb ass, retard or idiot' in place of 'my friend', I could understand you saying I was a jerk about it, but I didn't say that, brah.

Now, Why hasn't anyone even shown any interest in why THOSE dispensaries were targeted?
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