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Old 06-12-2014, 09:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Iraq getting run over

so iraq is on the brink of being completely taken over by muslim extremists, the ISIL.

the invasion of Iraq was just a complete failure in every sense, Except making a couple CEOs and bankers a buttload of money..

Overthrew a dictator, bombed it into the stone age, and left the country to be taken over by our worst enemy. An enemy we created and is currently red hot from when the US just killed his family member.

Great...


This is what the US leaves in its wake..

The US government has been sold to the highest bidder. Everyone needs to accept this so we can move forward.
Thos in power do not care for the good of the nation, nor of its people... especially not people in other countries..


How long are we gonna let this scum represent us? create a future for us?



/short rant. Probably will rant more later.
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Well thats what we've been doing for 60+ years now, its sad that its just become an accepted way our country operates in the world. Like we're the guys that go in and help overthrow governments and then either help a worse guy get into power or just give up and let the worse guy get into power. The worst is that its all done in the name of freedom and liberation, when in fact our actions only lead to the opposite of those things. We're like an abusive husband- how many wifes gotta show up to work the next day with black eyes and busted lips before everyone else sees what we truly are?

The even more sad part is that as we continue to decline as a nation and world power we will probably only engage in more and more acts like this out of desperation. Until we've become the people who we used to portray as bad guys in movies like china and russia.
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My sentiments exactly in fender's OP. Waves too. I think as America declines more overall, economically and in terms of productivity, there will be more of this rabid dog shit.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Iraqi's now look fondly on the sanction years. Talk about a systematic destruction of a country. Now I'm sure we'll have to go back in and get rid of something that wasn't there before "liberation".
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obomba didn't do Iraq.
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whhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy didn't we learn anything after Vietnam
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whhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy didn't we learn anything after Vietnam
We did, or should I say, they did. Propaganda. They are that good. Fuck, we can get lied into going to war, destroy a sovereign country, blame them for their own destruction and claim victory. USA! USA!
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whhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy didn't we learn anything after Vietnam
We did.

Bush Sr. knew there wasn't an exit strategy.

Bush Jr. didn't give a shit.

GWB is probably aware the history books aren't going to be kind to him, so he just quietly paints.

From his own book, Decision Points:

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I reflected on everything we were facing. Over the past few weeks we had seen the failure of America's two largest mortgage entities, the bankruptcy of a major investment bank, the sale of another, the nationalization of the world's largest insurance company, and now the most drastic intervention in the free market since the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. At the same time, Russia had invaded and occupied Georgia, Hurricane Ike had hit Texas, and America was fighting a two-front war in Iraq and Afghanistan. This was one ugly way to end the presidency.
It's still kinda funny he doesn't mention Katrina and Louisiana.

Obama's legacy seems to be mopping up the horrors of the 2000's, regardless of what he wanted to do.
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Can't give George W. all the credit though. There were a lot of people that were part of that fucked up decision making.
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We did.

Bush Sr. knew there wasn't an exit strategy.

Bush Jr. didn't give a shit.

GWB is probably aware the history books aren't going to be kind to him, so he just quietly paints.

From his own book, Decision Points:



It's still kinda funny he doesn't mention Katrina and Louisiana.

Obama's legacy seems to be mopping up the horrors of the 2000's, regardless of what he wanted to do.
Obama is getting what he wants done. It was inevitable we'd turn into a welfare state before the upcoming collapse. Why not spend the rest of our funny Jew money and partaaaay!
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the extremists currently taking over Iraq are so fucked up that Al-Queda denounced ties with them because they were too extreme.

Pouring in from syria, from a situation that the US fanned the flames of big-time.


The US's involvment in the middle east is SO big of a fuck up, that i believe the only logical conclusion is that it Isnt truly a fuck up at all, and things are going exactly as planned.

Someone wanted to destabalize the region, and likely also wanted to Create a prominent enemy for the United states to war against... Again... Get ready for Round 2.
My money is on the big time international bankers who still have a few countries left to install central banks in.

Remember:
Our government has been bought out. It is no longer even "ours". Those who truly own it, are likely not even american, and wouldnt think twice about any americans dieing as long as they could get away with it. As long as it didnt affect their profit.

I truly worry about the future of safety within America. Very greedy people are capable of fucking things up big time, especially with the entire US government at their disposal.
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed.
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the extremists currently taking over Iraq are so fucked up that Al-Queda denounced ties with them because they were too extreme.
And I take that with a grain of salt just like Iraq having wmd's. It's an easy way to make us think, 'how could anyone have ever expected that?!?!'.
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We should become allies with Iran and Syria and all of our problems would be solved.
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I almost lost it today when reading how obama said how Iraq has to handle its own problems.


The US is just SO at fault over there, and while im not saying we need to put troops on the ground, to say it is Iraq's problem and to avoid accepting blame is just freaking infuriating.


I hate even referring to our government as the "US government", due to how little i feel that actually represent the US. I feel as though im applying blame to the entire country, when i know it isnt like that. Just goes to show you though how easily anti-american feelings can arise now-a-days in other countries. Even being an american and being aware how little our government represents us, i still end feeling very "anti-american", even though the bastards that deserve the blame are as un-american as they come.
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed.
i dont know if its changed that much.

i dont know if war was ever ABOUT ideology or ethnicity, and "nations" is a fairly nebulous term to use to describe a motivation of war. its always just been about power and resources/money. that hasnt changed. we went into iraq for those reasons. i dont see that changing, especially as we begin to hit peak oil and dont have workable alternatives to the system.

its changed in it IS more well-oiled because of technology and stuff, but we are really still the same humans we have always been.

i mean talk about well-oiled machines, go look at some of the numbers some of the past conquerors of the worlds did in terms of consuming life. past dictators and kings and emperors and shit. we've always been killing each other quite efficiently on massive scales. we're actually at a more peaceful point in our collective history than we ever have been. (i posted an article about this with like facts and numbers and stuff awhile ago i can post it again if wanted.

i dunno. im rambling. i just am really optimistic about the future. i dont think war CAN change that much, as long as the motivations for engaging it stay the same. we can become more efficient at it but it will always have the same root motivation until those motivations no longer are a concern for humans. and i do believe they wont be a concern at some point in our history. at some point we've gotta go star trek style and become truly peaceful and co-operate simply if we want to survive as a species. it will be out of necessity, like the same necessity that nuclear bombs create, that force us to kind of come together as one and drop the bullshit.

PS- i dont mean to like discount what you were saying. im just posting my own thoughts on it because i found your post really provoking and interesting.
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