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Old 02-11-2015, 05:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Straight up, homies. I been way bummed about the Brian Williams scandal.

Brian Williams Admits He Wasn't on Copter Shot Down in Iraq - NYTimes.com

I need a new public figure to respect, because there's not many. I know I'm a scumbag, but I don't talk to 40mil people every night in their living rooms and claim to present facts. Don't get me wrong, I know there's bias. The way Nightly News has been handling the developing measles outbreak is pretty good evidence. There's bias in everything, but I think that's because everything has context. And understanding the context is key.

Any other Yahookans giving a shit about this?
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Nah... they all suck. The only real entertainment value that these wannabe celebs bring to the table is the fun of watching them stick a gun in their own mouths and continuously pull the trigger. Rush on oxy, Matt's shitty treatment of women, O'Reilly's sexual harassment settlement, they're all full of shit... and themselves... which is pretty much the same thing. Don't look to any of these asses for news. The bias of them and their networks is so out of control and context that they are useless... except for the aforementioned fun of watching them twitch.

If you don't have the time or energy to search for less bullshit in your dogma and insist on being spoon fed from the vidiot box try Aljizeera America. It'll surprise you.
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No shits to give.

People lie all day, everyday.

Media should be unbiased/truthful but it would be childish to expect anything less than a masquerade of respect for its viewers.
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If you don't have the time or energy to search for less bullshit in your dogma and insist on being spoon fed from the vidiot box try Aljizeera America. It'll surprise you.
I actually don't own a TV. I listen to the radio, podcasts mainly. Nightly News being one of very few American news sources I give credence to. As I mentioned, I recognize the bias. Al Jazeera (your misspelling intentional?) is ok. I like the BBC and CBC better.

"your dogma", "insist on being spoonfed" wtf is your problem
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Silverleaf - I think you would appreciate the journalism of Abby Martin and her show "Breaking the Set."

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I was confused as to it all. I read a few articles just now at a cursory glance, and I can't help but give a resounding "meh".

When you are an embedded journalist, or really any journalist who is sent to the scene of the news instead of reporting news from afar, of COURSE you are going to embellish and over-exaggerate what you've seen and experienced. That is what you are, quite literally, being PAID to do.

If all he did was say his helicopter was hit instead of the one in front of him, I really can't fathom why this is such a big deal. I saw the little snafu about a suicide he "witnessed" in New Orleans but imo it's pretty much the same thing. After so many years reporting on the ground, hearing about how the person you just interviewed a few hours ago was just killed, the craziness of embedded journalism as a whole, etc.

I dunno I guess I still just don't see why this is a big deal. Without some sort of embellishment every news story would read like a telegram from the 19th century.

Whether or not that speaks well or ill of modern journalism depends on the person, I'd say.
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i read a line someone posted on facebook, dunno who said it. Sounds like "daily show" esque but i dunno.
Either way it basically sums up how i feel about this.

something along the lines of
"It'd be nice if the media put as much effort as they did investigating a 'journalist''s stories about the war.... into actually investigating the war in the first place..."
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I actually don't own a TV. I listen to the radio, podcasts mainly. Nightly News being one of very few American news sources I give credence to.
Your OP featured a lament over one of your "respect" icons having been exposed as a fraud. The follow-up about needing a replacement sounded kinda pathetic in the context of you having chosen someone like a news reader for NBC in the first place.
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As I mentioned, I recognize the bias. Al Jazeera (your misspelling intentional?) is ok.
Hah! No it wasn't. Thanks for the correction though.
Amusing though why you admit to recognizing their bias, and in the same breath admit an inexplicable (to me) development of "respect" for their featured talking head? You don't see that as even a little strange?
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I like the BBC and CBC better.
You like them better for why??? Better intro and outro music? Hunkier male models, more tits and better legs on the girls, or you just have a penchant for talking heads with crooked teeth? Since you stated not a watcher but a listener I'm at a total lose as to why else anyone would have an expressed preference of one over the other... unless of course the what of what they are saying sits comfortably with you, in which case it seems safe to assume that your enjoyment of the echo chamber illustrates your already having been suckered into believing they are worth listening to, hence the "spoon fed dogma" crack. If you enjoy the soothing opiate effect of agreeing with their agenda of bent and purposed story telling that's a perfectly understandable human trait. It's what makes the selling of heaven so simple. It's just your inclusion of that whole "respect" thing that throws me.

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Hah, hah! That list is long and far from complete, but then again, I don't nor ever did have any respect for Brian Williams and the company that he represents. That would be your baby.

Of all of the people in all of the world who actually do provide something of value for all of us to share, enjoy, and learn by, the idea that anyone could or would "respect" such a morally challenged ego hound is more than a little disturbing, or maybe disappointing is a better word. The question that I just can't shake is "why"? What exactly is it about his performances is it that would cause you to respect him... the sound of his voice? What am I missing here? The guy was given a Peabody Award for journalistic excellence for his complete cock-and-bull Katrina sham, and that's pretty much old news now. Did you just look at that and go "yeah, well he's a serial liar and all, but I still respect him 'cuz..." why? Aside from that, his extemporaneous efforts to be witty while acting well informed, have proven him a veritable idiot on par with Maher and O'Reilly (my only forgiveness to Maher being that he produces Vice... and he's a self proclaimed comedian - even if he sucks at that too).

The idea that Brian Williams and his ilk are even allowed to call themselves journalists is pretty fucking grim... especially if you're a real journalist. I'd say they are the ones that should be lighting the torches and sharpening the pitch forks, 'cuz assholes like him should be permanently relegated to shoveling literal shit.


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Haven't yet viewed but a cursory scan of the segment titles looks promising. Thanks for the link.
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I was confused as to it all. I read a few articles just now at a cursory glance, and I can't help but give a resounding "meh".

When you are an embedded journalist, or really any journalist who is sent to the scene of the news instead of reporting news from afar, of COURSE you are going to embellish and over-exaggerate what you've seen and experienced. That is what you are, quite literally, being PAID to do.

If all he did was say his helicopter was hit instead of the one in front of him, I really can't fathom why this is such a big deal. I saw the little snafu about a suicide he "witnessed" in New Orleans but imo it's pretty much the same thing. After so many years reporting on the ground, hearing about how the person you just interviewed a few hours ago was just killed, the craziness of embedded journalism as a whole, etc.

I dunno I guess I still just don't see why this is a big deal. Without some sort of embellishment every news story would read like a telegram from the 19th century.

Whether or not that speaks well or ill of modern journalism depends on the person, I'd say.
I believe you just hit on a particularly salient issue as relates to the purpose and believability of the old guard vs. the new. What with numerous "well respected" print journalists being outed as serial plagiarists and fairy tale tellers, it shouldn't be surprising that so much of what they have resorted to (in response to the new challenges of the web) is crap, especially in the 30 second sound byte world of the Talking Heads. A quick glance at MSNBC or Fox should confirm that, but the example of young Dan Rather (he had once famously tried heroin as part of his reporting on the subject) vs. the Dan Rather influenced CBS of Bernie Goldberg's expose Bias, is a study of opposites, and helps, I think, to illustrate how the good go bad. As this relates to assholes like Brian Williams... well he ain't no Joe Galloway (the only civilian ever awarded a bronze star for bravery for his actions while reporting under fire in Viet Nam).

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i read a line someone posted on facebook, dunno who said it. Sounds like "daily show" esque but i dunno.
Either way it basically sums up how i feel about this.

something along the lines of
"It'd be nice if the media put as much effort as they did investigating a 'journalist''s stories about the war.... into actually investigating the war in the first place..."
I was amusing myself the other night flipping around to listen to all of the bullshit and spin that everyone was trying to spew, and it was pretty entertaining, albeit not in the way that they intended, but that's just me I suppose. In the midst of it I happened upon one of the most vile fucks on television, Bill O'Reilly. He had a woman by the name of Krystal something-or-other on and he was doing his usual hatchet job about the killing of a white girl in Syria by some radicals that seem to have a problem with Westerners. I was prepared for the worst... Bill exercising his usual contempt for women and loudly speaking over her and cutting her off the minute she offered a logical rebuttal, but a funny thing happened. Actually it was quite priceless as she managed to continue speaking as he tried shouting her down, and she outlasted the bombastic turd, finally gaining enough clear air to confront him with her quite valid point, to paraphrase... WTF do you spend so much time whipping people into a frenzy over four volunteers who purposely put themselves in harms way, and never say shit about the 4,000 lives of military folks that we have been wasting here for over a decade? Why isn't that the lead story EVERY night, just as it was during Viet Nam? In effect she called him out for his complete lack of any kind of journalistic ethic, and I swear it left him so frustrated I thought he was just going to call her a doodie head and run away. It was totally precious.

The issue of the Williams lies, and its importance, is exemplified by the OP's statement that this was a person that they had held in "respect". That goes to their believability, and if what they say can be categorized as "whatever the fuck makes me sound good", well that just adds another layer of shit to the majors' shitty rep that's already existing relative to their obvious bias's. I lump Fox and NBC, et al, in the same boat... 'cuz much like our Republitard and Demoncrap politicos, they are all the same, serving the same master. Just look at the small handful of .000001%er's that own and control this shit, and what their messaging is. The question is, why does anyone watch their so called news programming, if not to laugh and cringe over what the say?

When we look at the many obvious ways that our world is fucked up and how we got here, you can't ignore this type of shit in particular, since it has been an integral part in the dissemination of bullshit that makes people as dumb as they are. When you wonder "who the fuck voted for that asshole?", well... the reasons that many do vote for assholes is 'cuz that's what they are being sold on their nightly news, one way or another.

The other place to look is at our schools, but for the Millennial's in particular, you're looking at a group that has self admitted to getting their news from a comedian on television in the form of The Daily Show? While I enjoy the show, that's pretty fucked up. Kinda like Lewis Black's joke about evangelical Christians watching the Flintstones as if it were a documentary.
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I don't get the uproar either but it is poetic justice for this clown to take a fall. I have no pity for one of the stenographers for the war party.
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Nah... they all suck. The only real entertainment value that these wannabe celebs bring to the table is the fun of watching them stick a gun in their own mouths and continuously pull the trigger. Rush on oxy, Matt's shitty treatment of women, O'Reilly's sexual harassment settlement, they're all full of shit... and themselves... which is pretty much the same thing. Don't look to any of these asses for news. The bias of them and their networks is so out of control and context that they are useless... except for the aforementioned fun of watching them twitch.

If you don't have the time or energy to search for less bullshit in your dogma and insist on being spoon fed from the vidiot box try Aljizeera America. It'll surprise you.
AlJazeera wasn't impressive. It was like RT and democracy now. Better than mainstream stuff, but still retarded.

The only people telling the truth anymore are (people labeled as) terrorists and hate groups.

In fact any outlet that is designed for mainstream will be blue pilled to some extent.
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AlJazeera wasn't impressive. It was like RT and democracy now. Better than mainstream stuff, but still retarded.

The only people telling the truth anymore are (people labeled as) terrorists and hate groups.

In fact any outlet that is designed for mainstream will be blue pilled to some extent.
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aljazera america is the best news source you can get on american TV at the moment. Not saying much... but it is alright for what it is.

Their website is decent enough too, but you have to go to the international page. The american page is shit.

The only solid news ive ever found as of late, are direct feeds coming from independent journalists currently immersed in whatever situation/conflict they are reporting on.

I had a real good dude reporting on the recent thai 'revolution', and it was truly amazing to see just how far off base sources like BBC and AlJazera really were.
After seeing that, it just sealed the deal on never truly trusting anything coming from those mainstream sources. (and those are the "good ones". Anyone actually listening to american tv "news" should just do us all a favor and drink some bleach..)
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