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Old 03-09-2015, 06:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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And to the people like stoneric, who i think said he voted for her..
Who? I didn't see Jill Stein's name mentioned and that is who I voted for. I'd never vote for that insufferable bitch Clinton. And I'm with Galt, she will win.
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And to the people like stoneric, who i think said he voted for her..

Elizebeth Warren has no chance either. She is second to hillery and above bernie in the retarded TV voting polls, but just has not shot at all IMO.


Unless some awesome independent comes out of left field (and it will have to be VERY soon), and unifies the independent, liberal voting bases.... We are totally fucking doomed into getting another republican president IMO

maybe even another Bush.... /shudders..
Though if they were intelligent at all they'd choose to nominate someone other than a bush, to make the win even easier for them... Even some diehard repubs might have a hard time voting for a bush again... But maybe not honestly(which is fucking insane..)

But yeah, im calling it. Republican in the whitehouse 2016. Shitstorm will ensue.

Edit: lol ill take that bet Galt.
Curious how and where you see any difference in either a red or blue regime. WTF is the difference? I mean specifically, it seems you're making a case for a Dem as the lesser of two evils, and there really isn't any such thing. It's a bucket of shit or a bucket of vomit.

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Honestly, im really thinking that there should be a serious push to motivate the currently unsatisfied part of our population to all vote next election... But not for a candidate.

I think everyone should fill in "No Confidence" or something to that effect.

If alone, just to make a large statement to our country and the rest of the world even.


If such a plan got enough exposure and got people motivated, i think it could seriously hold the majority vote next election.
Have you been smokin' that weed stuff again?

Boy, where do you get this shit?
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Who? I didn't see Jill Stein's name mentioned and that is who I voted for. I'd never vote for that insufferable bitch Clinton. And I'm with Galt, she will win.
I hadn't been up on her til you mentioned her and I'd vote for her over any of these others in a heart beat. Actually, Libertarian devotions aside, I'd probably choose her over Rand Paul. Not his old man, unless he's just playin' possum til he gets a leg up... who knows? Not the most forthright approach, but like Sage was sayin', there's a game to be played if ya wanna get elected. The only thing I really like about the possibility of voting for him is that I could register as a Reptilian and maybe keep some other really crazy fuck off of the ticket.

Ya know, that just might be the best strategy here. Encourage Reptilians to re-register as Demoncraps and Dems to pull the reverse for the primaries.
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Gotta go. Still tryin' to learnmore about this guy who keeps a shotgun trained on the visitor's chair in his office.


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Galt, I'm picking up a lot of what you're throwing down. But I don't understand how socialism and representative democracy are mutually exclusive? To me they seem to be two different things. Democracy is a method of choosing leaders, socialism is a (rather vague) set of economic and social policies. It seems like a democracy, a theocracy, a party fascist state...any of them could be socialist or not.
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Curious how and where you see any difference in either a red or blue regime. WTF is the difference? I mean specifically, it seems you're making a case for a Dem as the lesser of two evils, and there really isn't any such thing. It's a bucket of shit or a bucket of vomit.



Have you been smokin' that weed stuff again?

Boy, where do you get this shit?

I dont see where you get that i am insinuating the Dems are the lesser of the two evils? I feel like ive been pretty straightforward that i have 0 confidence or trust in any politician in recent times, especially this upcoming election. I personally don't even trust the libertarian god Ron Paul as far as i could throw him, and he was probably one of the most trustworthy(not saying much) of the self-serving greedy assholes that rule over us.
I think that anyone currently playing the politics game is inherently Scum, as that is what you'd have to be to participate in such bullshit.



As for your questioning of my "plan". Idk i think it is a pretty cool idea honestly. Falls along the concepts surrounding the Protest movements that are still extremely prevalent in the world today and which will start back up again to a serious degree in the US once things hit a certain point.
Such a show of displeasure with the current state of things, and no confidence in our government and "elected officials", could easily have a domino effect. At the very least it would make a statement if enough people participated.
It is most definitely already the current majority's feeling of things. All this would be, is just letting their voice be heard and that message protrayed at a national forum type deal.

If every TV/computer in america, when they usually list the percentages of votes received for each candidate per state etc etc... also listed a large percentage filling in "no confidence"... i definitely think it would be a powerful message.


and im totally sober and actually on my longest sober stretch since i started getting high lol. Only a couple months lol. I'm too lazy to have stoner thoughts when im actually stoned

And stoneric, my bad man i thought you voted for Elizebeth Warren, which is who i meant by that post, not Hillery.
That said, Jill Stein wouldn't have a shot in hell either.
You should vote "No Confidence" next time instead
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, Libertarian devotions aside, I'd probably choose her over Rand Paul. )
I wouldn't even know how to respond if you'd vote for fucking Rand Paul....

Libertarian ideologies aside, devotion at that level is some near-religious quality shit...
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Galt, I'm picking up a lot of what you're throwing down.
That's cool. Just don't forget... I talk an awlful lot'a shit sometimes.
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But I don't understand how socialism and representative democracy are mutually exclusive? To me they seem to be two different things. Democracy is a method of choosing leaders, socialism is a (rather vague) set of economic and social policies. It seems like a democracy, a theocracy, a party fascist state...any of them could be socialist or not.
Absolutely (in bold) but the fascist part is already tied very closely with socialist practices, so they are quite nearly the same. The major difference being that the fascists replace the socialist class struggle with other countries, and they are typically more militaristic appearing as a result. Ultimately they both rely on a resolute means of control. Some cultures adapt to a heavily regulated and restricted life without too much problem (the Swedes for example) whereas Americans like to think that they won't. Our gov't now sees it as their challenge to try and convince us that we should embrace this type of top down exercise of power "for our own good... and the good of the many". They will of course resort to whatever it takes to make this happen. This is also not what we were founded upon, but the Morganization of gov't's demands that the .0001%er's make us all more efficient by standardizing our currencies (ultimately to their currency) and learning to live under one world rule (GATT, NAFTA, WTO, EU, etc.). I suppose oligarchy is actually a better descriptor.

We in the U.S. are said to be a representative republic, not a true democracy. Greece is a better example of a direct democracy, and the differences between those two are relative to how the peoples' interests are represented in the day to day running of the country and how decisions are made. Our republic supposedly allows us to elect representatives that are entrusted to act in their best judgement on our behalf. With few exceptions, if we are deceived, or just don't like the way that our representatives are acting on our supposed behalf, we have a rather long and protracted means available to facilitate their removal. The actual conduct of a direct democracy is a more immediate, bottom up controlled, majority rule kind of system. Should the government act in such a way that they are not carrying out the wishes of the majority, the people have the power and authority to turn their leaders out and replace them with someone who will.

Our approach does provide for a more stable continuity of leadership, which ultimately is much more attractive to business, particularly since what most businesses desire is a longer horizon of predictable regulatory climate. A bottom up direct democracy does not provide as predictable a future in that regard, unless it is, as is the case with Greece, utterly corrupt, to the point that its very brokeness becomes the predictable part that business comes to rely on. This is easily seen in the high number of businesses located in Greece that have been fucking them out of their taxes for decades.

Of course our system is now even more corrupt than theirs in that the melding of our more favorable business climate with the dependency of our political representatives on funding to continue their self enriching behaviors has created a kind of kleptocracy, where everyone is busy stealing as much and as fast as they possibly can. The fact that even though the power still supposedly lies with our people, we have subjugated ourselves to a kind of centralized gathering of ruling power that is managed by an ever smaller and smaller group of financiers and puppets vis-a-vis their financial control of whatever representative we elect. This subjugation has continued to gather momentum and reach, to the point now where we may never be able to stop or slow what is going on.

Theoretical and practical often diverge, but the essence of socialist theory is a means of attempted economic management. I say attempted because it carries with it an oft ignored structural fault that has in the past been joked about as being that everything runs fine until you run out of other people's money to take and spend. It is capitalism turned upside down. That is the theoretical, from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs, an overly simplistic bit of clap trap if ever there was. Economics is not ideology, it is a science of statistics and analysis, applied to markets, products, their manufacture, distribution and use. Catchy phrases such as the aforementioned are fairly idiotic even prima facie. So how does it work when you have an aged population, or an unskilled or incapacitated one where the abilities of the whole can't keep up with those needs? One of the most systemic failings of socialism is that in a model devoid of incentive, no one works any harder than they must, and why should they... simply for the greater good? People simply don't work that way, unless someone else is applying overt or subvert force, and that system we call by several names; serfdom, servitude, and slavery, are but a few.

Another new twist that you touched on there is that we are also being identified ever more demonstratively as a Judea-Christian theocracy, given our growing gov't directed diatribe toward Muslims, but like I said... the rulers will stop at nothing.

It doesn't really matter what we call it, I think we all realize that whatever its name, it's totally fucked up and not what anyone but the few in charge desire. The idea of passing out the confiscated wealth of the middle class to help satiate the growing poverty stricken masses works to continually foment the class struggle that socialism feeds on. The .0001%'s real mastery of the slight of hand is in the way that they continue to keep themselves beyond the fray while pitting the poor against the soon to be joining them poor. Maybe then, when we all decide to say "fuck it, I don't feel like working anymore", and there's nobody left to grow their food or fix their cars, maybe then we'll see people come together and cut those cocksuckers heads off.

Yeah... I'm beginnin' to totally get that whole beheading thing. I just prefer the imagery of the guillotine over the curvy sword, and I'd restrict it to those of the proverbial .0001%.


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I dont see where you get that i am insinuating the Dems are the lesser of the two evils? I feel like ive been pretty straightforward that i have 0 confidence or trust in any politician in recent times, especially this upcoming election. I personally don't even trust the libertarian god Ron Paul as far as i could throw him, and he was probably one of the most trustworthy(not saying much) of the self-serving greedy assholes that rule over us.
Blasphemer! Son of Satan and disciple of all that is unholy!(quick, somebody get me some chicken blood, I must perform the purification ritual...)

Now I have asked you nicely several times in the past to explain yourself and just why and how you have come to arrive at this fallacious impression, but I'll thank you kindly to either pony up or shut the fuck up until ya do. I can't very well rebut or refute shit like your name calling unless I understand where you received your disinformation.

Check out Ron Paul's lifestyle before, during , and after public service, as well as the monies that he returned every year,just from his Congressional staffing allowance alone, something that is still virtually unheard of by any Congressfuck. He also is the ONLY Congressfuck that I know of that opted out of their gold plated retirement and medical care program. That's just fer starters, so check your shit and get back to me.


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I think that anyone currently playing the politics game is inherently Scum, as that is what you'd have to be to participate in such bullshit.
Generally agree, except for that rare occasion where Mr. Smith does go to Washington, and he or she honestly does endeavor to change things for the better instead of just trying to get rich.



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As for your questioning of my "plan". Idk i think it is a pretty cool idea honestly. Falls along the concepts surrounding the Protest movements that are still extremely prevalent in the world today and which will start back up again to a serious degree in the US once things hit a certain point.
Without a doubt, some of the least articulate, jibber jabber of nonsensical bullshit I have ever witnessed... these recent protests you cite, at least if you are referring to the Occupy crowd. You couldn't find one fucking idiot out of a thousand who could intelligently phrase so much as a single sentence that explained what they were even doing, and most of them that I met and spoke with were completely clueless. They were collectively some of the worst I could possibly imagine to have represent anything... unless it was just to illustrate a bunch of twits with nothing better to do. That whole scene was contrived nonsense, and more importantly, it accomplished absolutely nothing.

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Such a show of displeasure with the current state of things, and no confidence in our government and "elected officials", could easily have a domino effect. At the very least it would make a statement if enough people participated.
By enough people you mean the 50% that are going to be getting paid to sit on their ass and never have to work? You might witness that level of unrest amongst your friends, but the rest of the country is snoozing quite comfortably thank you. Why do you think we have drive thru windows on all of our pharmacies?
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It is most definitely already the current majority's feeling of things. All this would be, is just letting their voice be heard and that message protrayed at a national forum type deal.

If every TV/computer in america, when they usually list the percentages of votes received for each candidate per state etc etc... also listed a large percentage filling in "no confidence"... i definitely think it would be a powerful message.
Yes it's true that everybody is pissed off about being pissed on, but they are also lazy when it comes to doing anything about it. Americans won't do shit until they are literally starving. After a few days of going to bed hearing their kids crying 'cuz the're bleeding out of their ass, or they're eating themselves from the inside out, yeah... maybe then, but the rulers understand that better than anybody, and they'll do whatever they have to do to make sure that if that ever did happen, they'd have the means of stopping it all in its tracks. And guess what? They have all of that now.


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and im totally sober and actually on my longest sober stretch since i started getting high lol. Only a couple months lol. I'm too lazy to have stoner thoughts when im actually stoned
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I wouldn't even know how to respond if you'd vote for fucking Rand Paul....

Libertarian ideologies aside, devotion at that level is some near-religious quality shit...
Granted the guy looks like he jumped off of the Lucky Charms box, but you never provide any specifics of where you get the information upon which you derive these opinions.

Libertarianism is simply the most convenient way I have of identifying myself as an Independent who wishes we could get back to a time when the Constitution was actually acknowledged. I've explained this to you before, but where Dr. Paul or his son are concerned I think I also made it clear that I do recognize them as being very different.

That said, even with his son's sometimes goofy ways, I would vote for him simply because I can't imagine him completely abandoning his entire upbringing, especially in light of the way that his father conducted himself. More importantly, in a three way race, he couldn't possibly be near as bad as any Republican or Democrat. And if he ended up on the Republican ticket, other than the fact that he was on their ticket, why would you find him such a horrible choice compared to any of the others? This is of course based on the idea that he'd be the only alternative with any hope of being elected other than the Democrat. No confidence votes would be meaningless in our system, just as staying home is.

He's not my ideal by any stretch, but for reasons specific to some of his positions and votes, not because of the party that he would be using to access the race. Please e'splain.
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When Rand Paul was accused of not clapping enthusiastically enough for president bibi he got very upset. He let it be known that he agreed with a lot of what that piece of shit said, on Hannity the hump's show no less. He's an Israeli firster just like Warren, Hillary and Bernie or any other republican that might get the nomination. People keep grasping at the hope he'll be a true non interventionist and a champion for our liberties, like his dad, but it ain't gonna happen.
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And stoneric, my bad man i thought you voted for Elizebeth Warren, which is who i meant by that post, not Hillery.
That said, Jill Stein wouldn't have a shot in hell either.
You should vote "No Confidence" next time instead
She wasn't on the ballot. Hillary was on my state's primary ballot but I didn't vote in the primaries. And I don't vote for who I think has a shot. I voted for Ed Clark in 1980 because I couldn't stomach the thought of voting for Carter or raygun.
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I don't have a big problem with Bernie Sanders. I don't agree with everything, of course, but he's better than most, imo. Better than Rand Paul.

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At least Bernie didn't sign that god awful letter the republicans sent to the Iranian govt. Can't say the same for Rand.
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Ain't that some weird shit. Political gamesmanship? POTUS has the authority to issue whatever fucked up Executive Orders that he chooses, but treaties need to involve both branches of government, so in the end I think it's just another example of partisan pissing on each other. I couldn't give two fucks what Iran does 'cuz they'd have to be fuck nuts crazy to attack Israel, 'cuz Israel is the craziest and scariest, best armed bunch in the neighborhood.

When was the last time they listened to anything anybody told them? Never that I can recall. What makes Iran so different?
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