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Old 08-21-2015, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question America's Future IYO

What do you think the future has in store for the USA?

Feel free to pick any point in the future timeline, just specify when you are talking about/making predictions about.
Or
To set a general timeframe, say within the next 50 years.


Revitalization and prosperity?
Societal/economic/governmental collapse?

Revolution?
Complacency?

Return to a more localized "states rights" system?
Further increasing national gov powers and oversight?

Future of corporate power/ownership within our government?

Thoughts on the future of the drug war?

What will be the state of america's environment in the future?
Our health as Americans?

Etc etc. Feel free to add/answer your own questions and ideas.
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Here's how it goes.


Your country is undergoing a process of political denigration in order to lessen the ability of citizen groups to enact changes, as well as to create an atmosphere of political apathy and/or burnout of the intelligent population, and an expunging of lateral interpretations of present issues.


This process will continue and eventually coincide with a sudden global food and water crisis and economic collapse, which will be beneficial, as there will be a final push as all primary sectors are acquired by a single entity.


Once all primary sectors are secured, a manufactured war will begin between several major countries. It will be during this war that secret yet currently existing technologies are tested and developed on a large scale to replace currently unanswered energy demands, and a massive restructuring of social infrastructure will occur.

There will be resistance, and it will be appreciated, as resistance is nature's way of testing for the weak spots in the collective.

On the whole however, it will go on, and those alive in that time will accept it, because there is no alternative.




I realize I'm straying beyond the States.. but that's because what's going on is bigger than that.

Presently? The States?

Well, Donald Trump is running for president and actually has some traction. Boiling down the significance of that fact, essentially your country is a joke to the rest of the world. But that's what it's been designed to be right now, and the role it plays is important.
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Solid prediction.
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dude that's the plot to metal gear solid.
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Fucking lmao really?

Hey, legit future predictions come in all forms. One of the best ones ive come across is from the anime Ghost in the Shell.

Regardless of the source, the idea that sir ex put forward is quite realistic and totally possible.

There's always the one book/story/whatever that turns out to be eerily spot on.
Maybe MGS will be the future's "Shit... _____ totally nailed it.. "
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I still have hope, most of the time. But then, I lived in a time when everyone had loved ones coming home in a box. It forced the masses to realize we were all in it together.
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Fucking lmao really?

There are some similarities. But also some big differences. And the whole global crisis as a tool for consolidating power isn't a new idea, nor is it fictitious.
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What did people say about the future in the 60's, during the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War? During all the fucked up shit going on then?

Something about Trump reminds me of George Wallace. The really vocal and hateful minority is having it's last gasp once again as, once again, the world is changing for the better. LGBT issues have taken the place of minority issues in the current chapter, but the similarities are many.

Of course, information continues it's march toward total freedom, as well, thanks to the Internet. So, you can expect more of the back room dealings and quiet goings on behind the scenes that have been fucking us all for the last 30 years to become more mainstream knowledge. Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been possible without the Internet. And the fact that the power of the Internet is such a clear rival to the power of the Billionaire Campaign Finance machine is important to note.

Add to that the coming of new technologies like nanotech and information-based medicine and you have the makings of a full-blown revolution for the average person. Things should be pretty great, then, until a crazy person decides to kill everyone, then it will be over.



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We've been in a guilded age before, we'll come out of this one.

Plus thanks to growing up with the internet, millennials seem to understand the value of public information/services.

Optimistic.
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as much as i like all of my illegal immigrant friends, and believe me theyre friends and i definitely would rather work with them any day of the week, Coulter and Trump have a point.

Still illegal. Hella people are denied citizenship regularly for trying the legal way, but people still just waltz in and literally take jobs from the rest of us. Inb4 deyturkerrjerbs, it's the truth.
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What did people say about the future in the 60's, during the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War? During all the fucked up shit going on then?

Something about Trump reminds me of George Wallace. The really vocal and hateful minority is having it's last gasp once again as, once again, the world is changing for the better. LGBT issues have taken the place of minority issues in the current chapter, but the similarities are many.




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The George Wallace comparison is spot on. Not only does it appeal to the same white anger. in large part it's the same exact human beings. Archie Bunkers last stand.

So my prediction is this: in the next ten to fifteen years society gradually grow less divisive, less political slightly poorer and people will adjust their material wants and needs as we move further and further away from the Highway economy..

That is if the country can be restrained from engaging in war. if not, the future looks bleak. for large parts of the world bleak would be an improvement
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as much as i like all of my illegal immigrant friends, and believe me theyre friends and i definitely would rather work with them any day of the week, Coulter and Trump have a point.

Still illegal. Hella people are denied citizenship regularly for trying the legal way, but people still just waltz in and literally take jobs from the rest of us. Inb4 deyturkerrjerbs, it's the truth.
I wonder how many illegals trump has employed over the years.
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Probably plenty but when you consider subs of subs the moneyman is very disconnected and thats an issue with the system.

I'm sure the guy that bankrolls all the stores ive built assumes its happening but im sure he really isnt directly responsible.

It's strange cause e-verify has eliminated my employer from being able to hire illegals, but i still work with them every day (different companies). And like I said I really like and value these peopel but the fact remains that these people are incentivized to endure bone breaking labor for a pittance while your average american knows its not worth 12 hours of concrete work per day for 8/hr.
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Probably plenty but when you consider subs of subs the moneyman is very disconnected and thats an issue with the system.

I'm sure the guy that bankrolls all the stores ive built assumes its happening but im sure he really isnt directly responsibl

It's strange cause e-verify has eliminated my employer from being able to hire illegals, but i still work with them every day (different companies). And like I said I really like and value these peopel but the fact remains that these people are incentivized to endure bone breaking labor for a pittance while your average american knows its not worth 12 hours of concrete work per day for 8/hr.
Aka they dont want to do it...

So how exactly are jobs being taken?

Up here you get 12 hr for labor jobs. Illegal or not. However if you are white, speak english, and have legal papers you have an instant huge boost. Americans just don't want to do that shit or cant.

If you want that work but cant compete with an illegal who cant speak English... You are either scummy/druggie and unreliable or a moron.

And what does trump want to do?
Build a bigger wall?
Gimme a fucking break. The conservative tactics here don't address the actual causes of the immigration problem at all, nor do they support raising wages and adding more incentives to persuade americans to do that type of labor work.

I have no idea how anyone can buy into the conservative rhetoric on immigration...
C'mon geeno.

It is a serious issue, but if you think trump or any of the right is putting forward any legit possible solutions to that problem you are insane.
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Its true though, what logical american finds a lifetime of disability more appealing than simply claiming unemployment and welfare.

if i didnt have the brain to be more i might have the brain to say that being of sound health is worth more to me than breaking myself for 8/hr just to receive 60% of that as compensation for the rest of a life of being unable to work. Your average illegal immigrant would rather take that bet then go back to the destitution they escaped from.

The other option? Employers simply pay more for american workers.

Can't get the bid for 10,000 because you have american workers with a standard of living? Sucks cause the guy that gets away with illegals will.

If that guys out of the picture? maybe you get that 10,000. Maybe you get more. That's how it works.
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Getting rid of illegals is easy. Sign em up as they cross the border. Free green cards for everyone! People off the books can earn less because they keep more of what they earn. Put everyone on the books and it helps level the playing field.

There will always be more work than people to do it. Human beings are the most valuable resource to any economy. We can handle the extra numbers. And the shitty governments/power structures those people leave will lose out, forcing them to change their ways if they don't want to disappear from the face of the Earth.



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I wouldn't count too heavily on the internet in any extreme scenario. Although the public enjoy a variety of access points today, the entire system is fundamentally dependent on satellites.

And there sure as hell isn't any public access to that.


If I were among those in power, allowing something like the internet to flourish, such that my opponents developed infrastructures that were dependent on it, yet themselves had no direct access to the ultimate maintenance of that which housed their infrastructure.. well.. I would consider that highly advantageous.
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Its true though, what logical american finds a lifetime of disability more appealing than simply claiming unemployment and welfare.

if i didnt have the brain to be more i might have the brain to say that being of sound health is worth more to me than breaking myself for 8/hr just to receive 60% of that as compensation for the rest of a life of being unable to work. Your average illegal immigrant would rather take that bet then go back to the destitution they escaped from.

The other option? Employers simply pay more for american workers.

Can't get the bid for 10,000 because you have american workers with a standard of living? Sucks cause the guy that gets away with illegals will.

If that guys out of the picture? maybe you get that 10,000. Maybe you get more. That's how it works.

But your other solution goes completely against those right wing candidates' other platforms. Do you think they are gonna support any action that increases wages? Especially for entry level labor work? No chance. Nor would they support increasing the power of workers to demand such things like with unions.

You seem to agree with their opinion on immigration simply because they bring it up and make a big stink.
However they provide ZERO viable and realistic solutions for that problem.

Building a massive wall will do nothing but fuel the fire, and be real that shit wouldnt even work.
Do you support mass round ups and deportations too? To "get them out of the picture"? The police thugs rounding up your coworkers and children and shipping them back off into fucking latin american war zones fueled by our own drug war.. places with higher murder rates than fucking iraq, with US conservative drug policies directly to blame...
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Again, it is a significant issue, but these people do not have the solutions. Certainly not trump.
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Who benefits from massively cheap labor sources?

Who suffers?

What better solution do you have?
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