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Old 10-21-2015, 05:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I too feel a desire to visit Iran. Seems like one of the better places to visit in the area.



Lebanon and Oman would be pretty fkin cool to.
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Lots of Jewish friends, family members, with a few Sabras in the bunch, and yes I realize that you can't paint an entire people with so broad a brush. I'm just naturally defensive on behalf of the underdog, and those that don't have the likes of AIPAC and half the American judiciary, as well as a disproportionate chunk of our legislature representing their cause however. I think that all of our troubles, and most of the peoples' that live there, begin with us and our EU partners fucking about where we don't belong. Remove the cause of the inflammation and the wound may heal, but continuing to put pressure on it and constantly picking the scab leads to an obvious end. So now we have nukes to contend with, and yet we still resort to nothing but bribes or bombs bullying. WTF is wrong with simply minding our own fucking business? It's what pretty much all people want universally, just to left the fuck alone in their pursuit of happiness, or as is more often the case over there, simple daily survival

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My other base objection is that I don't honestly believe that Israel should have ever been formed in the first place, especially in the way that it was. There's a core issue of property rights and compensation at the least that was completely ignored, and the suggestion that the precursors to Israel were all a bunch of stone aged goat herders, wandering about the region with no cultural concept of property rights is more than a little dismissive.
The excuses proferred just don't work. As for Hitler's attempted genocide, I find it more than a little off-putting that Israel now emulates much of what they are sworn to abhor, but of course now they have the power so it's all different I suppose.
Israel's existence is neither here nor there at this point -- it exists and it isn't going to just go away. Nor should it - not in the sense that the people should relocate.
If the country were to dissolve into other nations.. well that's fine as long as the people that inhabit the land aren't damaged.

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While we're at it, if the proliferation of nukes is bad (and I DO believe that it is), than why didn't we stop our "good friends" and "closest allies" in the region from getting them and instigating a whole new arms race? That outcome was childishly obvious, and yet we helped fund it. These are the recipients of more foreign aid from us than all of the rest of the world combined, so it's not like we didn't have even better leverage over them than we do with Iran. It's all one long string of bullshit and canards.
Probably because Israel having a nuclear arsenal (both stockpile and infrastructure) is almost the same thing as America having a nuclear arsenal in the middle east, in terms of military logistics.

Not to mention that the political climate was much different back when Israel was becoming armed. We're talking cold war era, when the idea was to stockpile nukes, and disarmament was more of a pipe dream than it is today.


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Getting back to Israel, and their neighbors wanting to "drive them into the sea". That is a problem for the Israeli's to solve, not us. The Zionists managed to use their money and influence to get a bunch of countries from OUTSIDE the region to sort'a give them permission to steal other people's property. How wonderfully gratuitous. It would be like me telling you that it's totally cool with me if you claim New Jersey as your new country, and ya don't have to pay a thing. Ridiculous of course, but not really any different. The difference is the Israeli's have a great P.R. and influence program, but that doesn't make any of it right or just. Yes the Holocaust was horrific, but the world did finally mobilize to right that wrong, so where do they get off using that as some sort of bullshit excuse to do the same thing to someone else? They never had any moral high ground in any of this, and if simply being victims is all it takes, well then I'd suggest we had better watch the fuck out, 'cuz us and our European cousins have an awful lot atoning to deal with, and I don't see where we have near enough land to make it all good.
It should be plainly obvious to anyone into history that morality is something that only exists for us peasants.



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I've always taken a keen interest in non-poliferation and followed the negotiations between Iran and the P5 very closely. Unlike some others, i do believe at some point in 2003 Iran was actively seeking to become a nuclear armed state. And why not? just take a gander at the image Galt posted, their country was surrounded by an insane regime hellbent on world domination. the whole episode though convinced me in the efficacy of the NPT and the IAEA (one of the few UN organizations that is well-run).

If it were not for Irans membership in the NPT, and their ultimate adherence to it, they very well may have acquired Nuclear Weapon capability.

The next logical step, if one is concerned about Nuclear proliferation, is to put pressure on Israel to sign the treaty. If there is going to be proliferation, the two main culprits(outside of the US) are likely to be N. Korea or Israel.
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Probably because Israel having a nuclear arsenal (both stockpile and infrastructure) is almost the same thing as America having a nuclear arsenal in the middle east, in terms of military logistics.
Hardly.They probably have a few pointed at us.
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US Nukes Being 'Guarded' By Zionist Israeil Co.


Read this.

Kewl.


Would be awesome if Israeli interests are actually on top of everything.

Perhaps the more accurate statement would be that America having an arsenal is like Israel having an arsenal.


I mean it's not so much countries anymore is it?

It's private groups using countries. Perhaps it has always been that way.
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This is all well and good, but, a lot of countries do have them, they are not going away.

Israel would, I think use theirs, in retalation, against mainly Iran, if they (Iran) end up with them, and (shudder) use them (first).

Countries like Iran, and North Korea (and Pakistan, for that matter) with unstable rulers, are quite capable of first use of these things. They are not going away either. (the problems with religion! been killing in gODS name since they invented it!)

The world stood by while 6,000,000 jews were destroyed in WWII. The Israelis do not care what the rest of the world thinks about them, not anymore. One cant really blame them.


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Corne ya need ta get out more, and maybe try a different history book or three. The world wasn't exactly sitting on their hands while six million Jews evaporated, we had that little thing called WWII to get through in order to save whoever was left. They didn't have cell phones and Twatting to keep the rest of the world posted back then, so it was a lot easier to keep really scurrilous shit hidden, at least for a little while.

For shit sake, most of the victims didn't really believe the rumors... until it was too fucking late, so it's not as if everybody knew what the Nazi's were doing right from the get go and then decided "fuck it, it's only the Jews". Hitler kinda eased the head in with shit like his Nuremberg Laws back in the early to mid 30's. The world was still reeling from a decade of serious economic depression, The Treaty of Versailles had left Germany in economic ruin, and there were no Supermen left standing in Europe. WWI had nearly wiped out an entire generation of French, Belgian, and English, so it took a little while for everybody to catch up.

Meanwhile our "Allie", Papa Joe was busy starving millions to death in the Ukraine. You seem pretty well programmed to genuflect when the religion we know as "The Shoah" is mentioned, but how's about a little love for the Holodomor in 1932-33. The death toll is almost as difficult to pin down as a real number of Holocaust victims, but conservative estimates run from 5-7 million, and Stalin managed that in less than two years, where Hitler took over a decade. Another fact worth remembering was that Hitler wasn't JUST exterminating Jews, He also managed to murder over 5 million other innocents for basically the same kind of shit that Mike Huckabee and Donald Trump get riled about today.

Hitler's henchmen learned all about how to build and manage concentration camps from Stalin and his bud Molotov back in the early 30's, they didn't invent the concept. By the time Hitler came to power around '33, the Soviets had pretty well perfected them, and deportations to Siberia were quite commonplace. Hitler's boyz saw that and figured it was a good way to deal with possible subversives that might instigate resistance, so they started out slow and built to their ultimate fever pitch well near the middle of the war. In the year leading up to Stalin's genocide he got warmed up by killing about a million peasants that aren't even included in the numbers killed in the Holodomor. So where's your horror over that. Fucking Russians stole and copied our bomb almost as fast as we built it. Where's the outrage and moral indignation over what Ukraine is dealing with now, with that little dick compensator Putin? Where's their Holodomor Memorial in every major city in America? It's fucking absurd.

So Ukraine could also not be blamed for wanting to nuke fuck out of Russia I suppose?

You're right on the money about Israel though... they don't give a fuck what anybody says or thinks, they will do whatever they want, and that's why they should never be allowed to have fucking nukes. They also don't sign ANY treaties, not with us, not with nobody. It's not an accident.

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Read this.

Kewl.


Would be awesome if Israeli interests are actually on top of everything.

Perhaps the more accurate statement would be that America having an arsenal is like Israel having an arsenal.


I mean it's not so much countries anymore is it?

It's private groups using countries. Perhaps it has always been that way.
We've been Israel's strap on penis in the region for decades. Their access to our top secret military shit isn't hard to understand, since we hire them to build so much of it. Problem is as I stated to corne, Israel is for Israel, period. It's like getting married to a selfish bitch who thinks "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine". Don't mean to turn this into an Israel bash, but consider this (and I say this as one whose family is more than a little Jew-ish); American Jews typically self identify as Jews first, Americans second. This is pretty fucking unique among religious groups. Hell even the crazy for Christ cult sees themselves as Americans first.

Now I'm not suggesting that either is healthy for our world, but it is a reality that underlies a lot of what has happened in the past, as well as how efficiently America is being hustled to defend Zionism today. The simple fact is that there has been a significant Zionist influence on our national leaders since the days of Brandeis and Wilson, and it gets more and more deeply embedded every term.

That's also why the story of the Rothschilds is so interesting. How can people that wealthy (they variously financed some of the greatest engineering feats of the Modern Age, including the Suez Canal) never be in the news or ever be talked about? They financed the Crimean War for England, caused it's central bank to collapse - and then bailed it out (for a fee of course) and yet while this is interesting fodder for economist types, there is no record of them having ever relinquished control or stepping back. They don't just lend money, they leverage and run shit.

Until just recently the spot price of world gold was "fixed" by them at their London office twice a day. Anybody care to venture a guess as to why? How is this NOT a thing?
The Rothschilds supposedly left the gold business in 2004, but a look at the fixers who are now setting that price reveals that more than half of the banks involved are in fact owned by or are significantly held by those same Rothschilds. The father of the greatest financier in American history, J.P. Morgan, was asshole buds with Nathan Rothschilds I think it was. Nearly every major bank from Barclays, to Deutsche, to Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and of course JP Morgan Chase, can trace roots to the Rothschild empire, and with those roots are retained stock share holdings and cross-over ownerships. Fascinating and disturbing shit.

Anyway, Ex, you're absolutely correct. It is no longer about nations, nor has it been for quite a long time. It is about the money lenders, the fucks that rule our world, and it ain't no one percent. more like .000001%.

This is why I love history and economics. It's at the core of understanding the world in which we live.


"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws" - Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812)


"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom

"I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

"Capital must protect itself in every way. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - U.S. Banker's Association Magazine, 1924

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But he didn't. Most of his thoughts were carefully manufactured for him in advance by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money Group. The United Nations is but a long range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. The One-World government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." - Curtis Dall, Son-in-Law of F.D.R., 1936

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of Peace"

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison


"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002


"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." - George H.W. Bush to White House reporter Sarah McClendon, 1992
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The Air Force handles the actual safeguarding of nuclear weapons material. There's a company called Consolidated Nuclear Security they contract with. Bechtel being the main company, i do believe
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if by that you mean americans and this is 1944 then i guess you win
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i think the bet is supposed to happen before the result is known, but thanks for nitpicking
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