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Old 11-16-2015, 09:09 AM   #61 (permalink)
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In my opinion religion is like the top stone of a pyramid of causation. Its the easiest single stone to see, and yet does the least to hold up the foundation.

Or, in other words, religion has been and is used as a face for division and demonizing 'the other' and yet has next to nothing to do with the conflict.


On a related note, I tire of hearing 'how religion does no good.' Its easy to tally up the number of acts of war that were attributed to religious differences by the insufficiently intelligent to recognize the true political causes of conflict, or the politically/economically invested manipulators seeking to demonize an enemy by generalizing them along lines of creed... and much harder to tally up the number of times someone took a deep breath and shared a moment of kindness with someone they're inclined to selfishly hate, because of the wisdom of the prophets. Because of a conscious devotion to a cause beyond one's own selfish interest, a belief strengthened through 'religious' practice of awareness of a better way of being.

Or the fortifying of our more compassionate value systems because of the widespread acknowledgement of what being a good person is that religion has propagated globally. Moral mores driven through history primarily by religious codes of conduct.

Where is the acknowledgement for that?

Yea, you can misquote scripture to justify anything, but can anyone honestly argue that any major religion's major tenants promote such hatred and violence? And if not, then is it not fair to presume that the majority of religious people in the world, the majority who make up most of the global society, have accurately interpreted the majority of the love, compassion and forgiveness promoting scripture? And perhaps acted as constructive members of the global society because of it? Because of a long history of mores driven by it?


Perhaps I haven't articulated myself perfectly, its late, but I think the argument I'm trying to make is clear. I've grown real weary of people in my life who have little to no grounding in the spiritual traditions bashing religion as a whole while they benefit from the moral foundation religion has carried for millennia and has only recently been picked up and effectively enforced (in part, not whole) by the secular rule of law.

(Not a dig at yahooka, more of a vent about things I hear IRL).
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Nothing? Other than being the MAJOR instigater of, , , conflict






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And as The Rev aptly pointed out, the devastating effects of colonialism still linger in big ways. Not to mention neo-colonialism (western interventionism (militarily, economically), a rigged global order and financial system, etc etc)

/apologist rant.

Everyone has decisions to make, and have the opportunity to use their conscious will to make them for themselves, and unfortunately some of the Muslim countries of the world continue to be primary sources of the most vile sorts of barbarism.

/racism.

I have no clue what the best solution to the ISIS problem is. Of all warfare in my short lifetime I think that fighting these guys is perhaps the most justified. However, I'm not convinced (or unconvinced) that bombing them is necessarily the most effective way to establish a beneficial and peaceful solution for all parties.

Fighting? As in killing them? "Smiting thine enemy?"

Bombing is not fighting? Kill ratio 'us v them' a whole lot better in our favor isnt fair? I dont understand.

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Old 11-16-2015, 03:53 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:52 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Russia has intensified its attack on ISIS via cruise missiles this morning

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Old 11-19-2015, 07:58 AM   #65 (permalink)
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If France and Russia agree to help Assad Isis can be dismantled, or at least marginally disrupted.

The United States should just sit this one out. Russia is 100x more effective with this sort of thing and if history tells us anything it has been that we have done more harm than good.
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Russians are also fearless and intrepid.

Did you know they jump of buildings in russia for fun? Just like.. jump right off into dumpsters and snowbanks for shits and giggles. I think you're right a russia can handle an isis
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Old 11-19-2015, 12:41 PM   #67 (permalink)
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If France and Russia agree to help Assad Isis can be dismantled, or at least marginally disrupted.

The United States should just sit this one out. Russia is 100x more effective with this sort of thing and if history tells us anything it has been that we have done more harm than good.
Or we could bomb Saudi Arabia. All problems solved.
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I think they will regret bringing Russia into this conflict. (the russian airliner) The russians will be brutal in response. And they will respond. Collerateral damage? ha! ha! Fuck the world! I am glad they are on our side in this mess.

-c-

(Consider this: in Syria, we, "us", are supporting the rebels 'the bad guys', 'terrorists', if you will, 'Cause us doan like Assad.

The russians, "them", support the 'legitimate' government govt of Syria, & are fighting 'terror'. 'Them likes that Assad.

Its ultimatly, 'us v them'
Who is right???) (Might makes right!!! haha!)

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Its weird because the russian's are both with the west and against them. Its both a proxy war and a global front against terrorists/genocide.

There is some promising news about a possible peace process between the government and rebels, supported by russia. Not sure what Iran or Saudi Arabia's stance on it is. A possible transitional government followed by constitutional reform and presidential and parliamentary elections. All agree to not stop fighting ISIS.
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Old 11-20-2015, 05:16 PM   #71 (permalink)
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The proxy thing makes us look bad. Russia is backing an ally and we're backing al Qaeda "moderates".

The peace process is a pipedream. The rebels are all crazy fucks who want Sharia law.
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Right. Russia is backing something that had been stable for a considerate amount of time. In their backyard.
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Without mentioning the problems with an Assad regime, a peaceful return to that scenario seems about as unlikely as any other peaceful conclusion, in my opinion. Keep in mind this all started with a popular uprising against Assad.

Totlly guessing, but I suspect there is a majority of moderate Syrians who want to run a peaceful sectarian country. But I have no clue how anyone would get them to secure power. If they're still in the country.
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If Assad was allied with the Saudis he'd stay in power with our blessing. If Israel wanted Assad in power instead of al Qaeda or ISIS he'd stay in power with our blessing. The popular uprising would have been ignored like the one in Bahrain which the Saudis crushed.
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