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Old 12-13-2015, 02:48 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I just started watching these videos. Really interesting stuff. My grandfather fought in WWI, but I really don't know much about it. He got really fucked up by it. Drank a fifth every night after work, just sitting in his chair.



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Old 12-13-2015, 06:44 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:34 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Several times in this thread I've typed out long replies to other people's posts, done some research on what I was about to say, then deleted my comment. I think from this far away it's easy to forget that every trend you hear about in the middle-east is the result and operation of individual moving parts. It's so much easier to just write the region off as backwards and violent than to get a even a basic grasp on the crazy amount of background info needed to understand people's motivations. We just want clear good guys and bad guys, which are a fiction.

The news doesn't help. They need to start educating people, not just spouting ideology. google whatever country/region/war history and read the wikipedia article. If it mentions two countries, google country 1 + country 2 relations. Just keep reading and searching whatever seems interesting or you don't know the reason for, the facts are way more interesting than the rhetoric. Sure you have to be careful of bias (from pro-western to pro-islamist and everything in between), but the facts are there and you'll learn more about the middle east in a couple hours than you would watching fox news for a year. It's too much fear and shock-porn, when it should be history and perspective.

Kind of a pointless rant, and definitely not an original sentiment, but whatever.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:46 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Several times in this thread I've typed out long replies to other people's posts, done some research on what I was about to say, then deleted my comment. I think from this far away it's easy to forget that every trend you hear about in the middle-east is the result and operation of individual moving parts. It's so much easier to just write the region off as backwards and violent than to get a even a basic grasp on the crazy amount of background info needed to understand people's motivations. We just want clear good guys and bad guys, which are a fiction.

The news doesn't help. They need to start educating people, not just spouting ideology. google whatever country/region/war history and read the wikipedia article. If it mentions two countries, google country 1 + country 2 relations. Just keep reading and searching whatever seems interesting or you don't know the reason for, the facts are way more interesting than the rhetoric. Sure you have to be careful of bias (from pro-western to pro-islamist and everything in between), but the facts are there and you'll learn more about the middle east in a couple hours than you would watching fox news for a year. It's too much fear and shock-porn, when it should be history and perspective.

Kind of a pointless rant, and definitely not an original sentiment, but whatever.
I agree wholly, mate... and since I know most folks are going to go to that length..... I figured the videos would help illuminate the subject a bit more. There are a lot of good reading points from it that give a lot of context, as you say. I'm glad that at least a couple people gave them a look.
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I have been meaning to watch them but am procrastinating til the weekend.
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Sage I'm glad you made this thread, and am pleased with the ensuing discussion.
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Anyone watch the videos yet?

Bump for that.

And Bump, because it's still a relevant part of the dialog about the Middle East,
in it's current state.
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i cant believe it took them an hour and 45 minutes or so to blame the jews.
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i cant believe it took them an hour and 45 minutes or so to blame the jews.

The creation of Israel is the issue brought up in this minute of the show..... not Jewish people.

Minute 44:50- "Of the three war-time promises made by the British, this was the only one that was realized..."

If you look at the history of the Middle East, you'll find that Jewish people didn't have much issue living there peacefully..... especially when compared to the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe and Russia.

I feel the episode makes the other two broken promises, to the Arab people, are pretty clear.... as well as the subsequent fall out. Surely if you watched them you didn't miss that. The two-timing promises and double-dealing 'mandates', by the British and French is insane....
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If you look at the history of the Middle East, you'll find that Jewish people didn't have much issue living there peacefully....
Tell that to the Jews in Medina, m8.
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Tell that to the Jews in Medina, m8.
Terry, you of all Yahookans surely know of the treaty/agreement broken by the Jewish population of Media which brought the consequence of that period in time.

I never claimed it was totally peaceable.
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