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Old 12-03-2015, 09:58 AM   #21 (permalink)
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They're calling it a possible "terrorist" attack.
From the mouth of the President.

If the actions of the gunman cause terror in those who are caught in the gun sights, then it is indeed an act of 'terrorism'.

Mr. LaPierre, it's not going to mean a god damned thing until it's one of your own bleeding out isn't it...
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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not at all man and it fucks me up to read that as a question when the whole event is being introduced. Shit man, do you but i really don't like the detached feeling you're conveying, it's fucked up.
It's called being American.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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nothing to see here folks...just an isolated episode of "workplace violence"
>workplace argument
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>ok back now with kill squad armed with remote pipe bombs


It was def a sleeper cell that couldn't wait for a better time.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I always hope it's white people so we don't go off on a bombing spree in some Muslim country.
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Imo boots on the ground is the only solution, and that includes a non time limit occupation.

Worked great in Germany and Japan.
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Old 12-03-2015, 01:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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That worked out well in Iraq. And Afghanistan.
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Old 12-03-2015, 02:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Apparently this dude abandoned his baby to go on this rampage.

Must've really snapped.
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Old 12-03-2015, 03:51 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Imo boots on the ground is the only solution, and that includes a non time limit occupation.

Worked great in Germany and Japan.
Unfortunately a lot of the policy experts are agreeing the only way to fry the fish everybody has got a taste for rn (ISIS) is ground invasion. Ideally not American-led. A coalition primarily made up of other ME nations would do nicely. + France & UK & Germany to round out Western representation. I've heard a ground force of 100k would be sufficient. And they don't necessarily have to be the most superior fighting force ever assembled, either, just good enough to do the job.

The longer ISIS holds territory, the longer they are able to draw resources out of their population, the longer the world risks assaults being planned.

Airstrikes will never be effective enough to deprive the terrorists of oil wealth, for example, or grounds to train and plot attacks. An army is the tool for this job. And a real plan for how to deal with the political situation once the bad guys are killed/reintegrated. I've heard a lot of Sunni tribal leaders are fed up with the realities of life in the Islamic State and could potentially be partners in forging a new order that isn't susceptible to sectarian war.

There is an excellent set of podcasts, Middle East Week & Jihadology, both feature Carl Morand. I will try to find a link to the ep where I heard a lot of this seemingly rational theorization discussed & post later.

Re: San Bernardino -- Rev, glad you're OK. And the gun nuts of America should thank their lucky stars I'm not in charge of the show, I'd take y'all's guns away so fast your heads would spin. Tragic, disgusting, and sadly far too common a story in this country. This shit needs to stop ASAP.

And this is how you tie together three threads (ISIS, podcasts, mass murders) in one neat & tidy little package.

I feel compelled to tell my fellow American Yahookans to stay safe. It's a dangerous place out there.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:46 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Again, bomb Saudi Arabia and tell Kuwait, Qatar and Turkey we'll do the same to them if they continue to support ISIS. No more ISIS.
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So you're sensitive that's fine. I like to make a game out of crimes and tragedies. Why exactly is that fucked up?
when it comes to shit like this you're damn right i'm sensitive.

didn't seem like a game to me mate, just came across cold.

it's not just you though, feels like half the world doesn't even register how senselessly fucked up this is anymore. It's just another mass shooting with a different head count tacked on somewhere in the headline.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:26 AM   #34 (permalink)
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That worked out well in Iraq. And Afghanistan.
The difference is Japan and Germany were occupied until they were ready for transition. The crazy ideas of nazis and imperialist Japan were also defeated.

They're still occupied now. The US/international presence that has remained in Iraq and Afghanistan just isn't the same since we began winding everything down in 07-10

What's growing over between ramadi and Aleppo is a cancer. It's ideologically fueled and sweeping up disenfranchised youth from all over the world. It's definitely a problem and I don't think anyone would have predicted they'd be so successful back in 2007 or whenever they first started organizing.
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when it comes to shit like this you're damn right i'm sensitive.

didn't seem like a game to me mate, just came across cold.

it's not just you though, feels like half the world doesn't even register how senselessly fucked up this is anymore. It's just another mass shooting with a different head count tacked on somewhere in the headline.
It's totally fucked up, you're not wrong.

I usually play with more fun headlines like local woman arrested for attempting to steal 50lbs of ham from Walmart. But it always makes me wonder when there's a happening and it's not yet known who is at fault.

It's not a racist game just a racial one. Komp seemed to get that.

It gets really difficult when it's a location like Florida where all kinds of people commit all kinds of crimes.

But basically you guess whether the offender is black, white or other. Other being mexican, asian, middle east, African, russian, Jamaican. People like that. The left fielder's of crime.
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I see, well yeah that is a good game when it's about someone stealing ham.

Not cool when it's about more senseless violence, but hey that's my view. You're free to say whatever you want just as i'm free to get angry about it.
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But it is still a relevant question in this case because there are distinct groups of people, often divided by race, that commit heinous crimes. The national conversation will revolve around this. Addressing islamic radicals is a going to bring up national security, a Christian radical is going to bring up domestic extremism.

It's a very relevant issue and that's what I get excited about when it's happening and the motive is unknown.
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The difference is Japan and Germany were occupied until they were ready for transition. The crazy ideas of nazis and imperialist Japan were also defeated.

They're still occupied now. The US/international presence that has remained in Iraq and Afghanistan just isn't the same since we began winding everything down in 07-10

We're taking sides in civil wars that are sectarian in nature and out of our realm. We actually stated one in Iraq. We didn't accomplish shit while we were at full force in either place and we wouldn't accomplish shit if we stayed forever. How are the occupied Palestinian territories working out? That would be a more accurate comparison than Germany and Japan.
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The difference is Japan and Germany were occupied until they were ready for transition. The crazy ideas of nazis and imperialist Japan were also defeated.

They're still occupied now. The US/international presence that has remained in Iraq and Afghanistan just isn't the same since we began winding everything down in 07-10

What's growing over between ramadi and Aleppo is a cancer. It's ideologically fueled and sweeping up disenfranchised youth from all over the world. It's definitely a problem and I don't think anyone would have predicted they'd be so successful back in 2007 or whenever they first started organizing.
'Nother thing, We did not occupy Japan or Germany for profit or retribution.

Japan & Germany are still allies, though with gritted teeth.

Funny thing, , , ,

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They have shewn pics of the man, but not the woman in this situation. They should show pics of her 'on the slab' in the morgue, (yes, even with her chest cut open!), put a face on her. The two just brutally murdered 14 people but we cant do that, she took the (vow) of a sack over her head, must respect her beliefs. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT, when the autopsies are done, they should be fed to the pigs. I'd buy some of that bacon.

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